In terms of cases that are wider than they are tall, look good in a home theatre, but can also equip components fit for gaming the pickings are a bit slim. A lot of HTPC cases are designed for pretty low intensity components because they usually are built just for streaming. If you want to game on it, you probably have to make some compromises, but I am not entirely in the loop with all HTPC cases. Options I can think of are:

1. Silverstone Sugo SG08 $200 inc 600W PSU.
   The Sugo SG08 comes pretty close to fitting the bill. It is the larger brother of the SG05 and just a tiny tad smaller than the Node 304. It has a very clean, minimalistic look. It has a disc drive slot and ships with a custom small form factor PSU of 600W. It will take an ITX board and otherwise most standard components. Lots of high end gaming builds around, just google your parts to see that everything fits. Quite expensive.
   
   
2. The Node 304 + An external Blue Ray player $90 for case, PSU not included . This means you have the looks, form factor and power that you want, plus the media capability. Other than requiring a mini ITX motherboard it can pretty much fit "standard" components. An external USB Blue Ray drive can be had for as low as $30. Plug it in whenever you need to, or just leave it resting on top.
   
   
3. Silverstone Sugo SG05 $125 inc 450W PSU - This mini ITX case comes in white or black and looks similar to the Node 304, is a good bit smaller and has a slot for a disc drive. Small cases means that things become a little more fiddley. Things like cable management and good quality fans are more important to improve air flow to silence any noise in the living room. The case ships with a small form factor PSU with either 300W or 450W. You would want the 450W one for gaming. Alternatively you can buy a "naked" case and buy your own small form factor PSU. The smaller the case, the more research you have to do to make sure all the parts fit (i.e. water coolers etc), but SG05 builds are quite common, so just google away.
   
   
   
4. Bitfenix Prodigy $90 - I feel like a mini ITX discussion these days isn't complete without mentioning the Prodigy. Out of all the cases, the Prodigy is the easiest to work with because it is quite a bit larger than the other cases we have listed so far. That means it can be treated more like a regular PC. It will fit a mini ITX board and all regular components ... and then some. That means airflow is excellent and noise a minimum. The finish of the case is just a bit cheaper than the others here, and it has less of an HTPC look, but beauty is in the eye of the beholder. Many people swear by it. I have read that you can easily remove the 2 handles, to give it a smaller profile and a more "square" look.

>I know at this point I am pretty much just being nitpicky, but will the yellow color of the RAM be apparent when inside the case? It'd be better if the colors matched a bit better. Would something like the G.Skill Ripjaws V in this 2x4GB alignment perform well with this setup of speeds at either DDR4-3733, 3200, or 3000?

Spending that much extra just so you don't have to paint ram is silly IMHO. Paint wont hurt cooling much and you can make them whatever color you like.

>Any suggestions for a case around that price that is microATX with a window (and if possible a PSU shroud)? This is the list of cases under $65 and to be honest not a lot of the cases on there are great, and those that stand out are more around $60.

Understood, but if we are being efficient, a mid ATX case is going to save money, and fit the PSU (referring to your post below). Going with the carbide 88R, define c mini or masterbox 3 would just be spending more money to be smaller, compromise part fitment and likely cool worse. If it has to be smaller, the masterbox would be best - comes with two 140mm fans and is widest for CPU cooler clearance. Fractal runs second coming with two 120mm fans and being a bit narrower. Carbide only comes with one fan, I wouldn't waste time with it.

>I did some research and found that the Thermaltake H15 case that you linked earlier is not sold in NA, but is sold in Aus, UK, LatAm, and more.

Strange, amazon seems to think its available. But no matter we're on to windows anyway.

Price is creeping up with this smaller case configuration, and we've already sacrificed 8G of ram in the name of looks and size...

PCPartPicker part list / Price breakdown by merchant

Type|Item|Price

----|:----|:----
CPU | AMD - Ryzen 5 1400 3.2GHz Quad-Core Processor | $145.00 @ Amazon
Motherboard | ASRock - AB350M Pro4 Micro ATX AM4 Motherboard | $59.99 @ Newegg
Memory | ADATA - 8GB (2 x 4GB) DDR4-3000 Memory | $84.99 @ Newegg
Storage | Crucial - MX300 275GB 2.5" Solid State Drive | $79.99 @ Amazon
Storage | Toshiba - P300 1TB 3.5" 7200RPM Internal Hard Drive | $42.99 @ Amazon
Video Card | Zotac - GeForce GTX 1050 Ti 4GB Mini Video Card | $129.99 @ B&H
Case | Cooler Master - MasterCase Pro 3 MicroATX Mini Tower Case | $59.99 @ Amazon
Power Supply | SeaSonic - 520W 80+ Bronze Certified Fully-Modular ATX Power Supply | $54.90 @ Newegg
Operating System | Microsoft - Windows 10 Home OEM 64-bit | $92.99 @ Best Buy
Wireless Network Adapter | Gigabyte - GC-WB867D-I PCI-Express x1 802.11a/b/g/n/ac Wi-Fi Adapter | $34.99 @ Amazon
Monitor | HP - ZR2440w 24.0" 1920x1200 60Hz Monitor | $0.00
| Prices include shipping, taxes, rebates, and discounts |
| Total | $785.82
| Generated by PCPartPicker 2017-11-26 21:04 EST-0500 |

The most important thing for Minecraft is probably the CPU, 2nd is graphics card, and third is disk read/write speeds. (If you are playing online internet speed would probably be third and disk speed fourth.)


Best Value CPU choices:

CPU NAME CPU Power Price

 1. Intel Pentium G620       42.4     $70<br />
 2. Intel Pentium G840       46.4     $83<br />
 3. Intel Pentium G850       48.2     $88<br />
 4. Intel Core i3 2100       50.9    $123<br />

All of these CPUs should be sufficient for playing Minecraft.


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Motherboard:

$55 - ASRock H61M

It doesn't have all the greatest features, but it has what you need, it's a good price, and a good brand.


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RAM choices:

• 4GB 1333MHz PNY - $25
  
• 8GB 1333MHz - $41
  
  RAM is cheap now days. You should get at least 4GB.
  
  
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  Power Supply:
  
  350 Watt Seasonic - $43
  
  SeaSonic is a good quality brand. I have purchased three of this same model. It's great for budget builds.
  
  
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  Hard drive options:
  
  
• Crucial M4 64GB solid-state drive - $88
  
• Seagate Barracuda 7.2k RPM 1TB hard drive - $100
  
  There was a natural disaster a few months ago that hit a lot of hard drive manufacturers. There aren't a lot of cheap options. The Crucial M4 is a very reliable and pretty fast SSD. The Seagate Barracuda is fast for a traditional hard drive at 7.2k RPM. With the usual Samsung Spinpoint hard drives hard to come by, this hard drive may be the next best thing.
  
  I have purchased one of the 64GB Crucial M4 drives and two of the 1TB SeaGate Barracudas myself.
  
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  Video card choices:
  
  
• Gigabyte Radeon HD 6450 - $40
  
  This is the cheapest you will want to go. It is better than integrated graphics. It has VGA, DVI, and HDMI outputs for whatever your monitor requires.
  
  
• EVGA Nvidia GeForce GT 430 - $57
  
  The second cheapest video card you should consider. It also has VGA, DVI, and HDMI.
  
  
• Sapphire Radeon 6570 2GB - $65
  
  This is a respectable graphics card. It has VGA, DVI, and HDMI.
  
  
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  Case:
  
  NZXT Gamma - $40
  
  This is the best case you are getting for only $40.
  
  
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  Totals:
  
  With all the cheapest options, you are looking at spending at least $361 for a new computer. If you pick all the most expensive options, you are looking at spending $467.
  
  All prices include any shipping. None of these items include any rebates that have to be filled out. All prices straight up.
  
  I'm pretty great at all this, but my weakest area is video cards. If you want to your sister a computer, pick out what you want from here and post your build on /r/buildapc to get the opinions of lots of other builders.

See my post here from a few weeks back

I built something similar to your own, with a view to keeping it cheap and small. An i3 or i5 NUC is nice and compact (and relatively quiet) but is pretty expensive. You're paying a premium for the smallest size, but you're getting a laptop-grade i3 or i5 at the same time. So I went the build-your-own route.

The deciding factor for me was the selection of tiny PC cases you can get now; I can't fit a full sized or even medium tower PC case in my living room but this thing is a perfect size: Cooler Master Elite 110. The build quality is great, it's well ventilated, it has USB3 support and there is easily space for 2 x 3.5inch HDDs and 1 x 2.5inch SSD, especially if you're not planning on ever putting in a GFX card. Takes a standard PSU and ITX parts. It's a tiny bit bigger than the case you've specced already, but is fairly cheaper. EDIT just noticed it includes a PSU, the Elite case does not.

I built my PC 2 weeks ago and it has been running like a champ ever since. You could save some money by getting a cheaper HDD or SSD. My temps are very good and the stock Intel cooler is perfectly ok so I don't think I'll need a CPU cooler.

The one thing I'm not happy about is the PSU which has been making a low rumbling sound since day one. It may be a manufacturing defect but I don't have a spare PSU in the meanwhile if I was to send the PSU back for replacement. I may eventually go for a lower wattage Be Quiet branded PSU but it's not a burning issue right now.

The CPU you've chosen is similar to mine and I can happily say it is not overkill - if you are doing a lot of transcoding of 1080p (including Plex syncing) you will be glad of the extra horsepower. It also future proofs you a bit better.

https://www.amazon.com/InWin-Chopin-Mini-ITX-Stickers-Aluminum/dp/B01N091225/ref=sr_1_2?ie=UTF8&qid=1536316953&sr=8-2&keywords=inwin+chopin

https://www.amazon.com/WIN-150W-Mini-ITX-Black-BQ656T-AD150TB3/dp/B01LVV6WVU/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1536316975&sr=8-1&keywords=inwin+chopin

I always recommend the inwin chopin or its uglier/cheaper sister the BQ656T. Yours looks different from mine lol but I'm confident they all share the same internal shape and stuff. The Chopin is mostly OOS thats why prices are driven up. But when its in stock you can find it for ~100USD

I have a 2400g, asrock fatality itx mobo, and m.2 ssd. The 150w psu is plenty as your OC will be thermally limited. As for cooler options, in this case the stock cooler will fit but if you do want to OC, upgrade to the noctua l9a or c7 cu. I have also seen people remove the fan from the stock cooler and gerry rig an 120mm fan on the original heat sink with good results. I personally have the l9a and i strapped a 120mm thin fan to it for better results.

At this size you will not beable to fit any 3.5" drives. As for the build, its o k. You should break down the case so you can re reroute the psu cables thru the front and behind the mobo, and with some patience you can get it looking nice.

I personally love my chopin and its really smol. Some people have said the tiny psu fan gets loud, but personally I've never had a problem. I'm also really impressed with the 2400g and its performance. Pretty easy to OC/undervolt. AMA

A lot of mid-sized towers (and specially designed compact ATX towers) support both, so I guess a large portion of it is user preference. Take for example the following compact designed case designed to fit full ATX boards:

Amazon Link

I can't really attest to the quality of this case, but just as an example, as long as you find a tower with supporting ATX board sizes, it'll work (also good to consider the size of your CPU cooler, that's why they can't get too small - in the example of this case, your current fan wouldn't get the clearance it needs, but you could go with an alternative like...

Amazon Link)

Although that might be more than you want to spend, so just check the CPU cooler clearance required in the case you get, and it should be fine!

As for the CPU, if hyperthreading isn't a big deal to you, it's totally fine - that's one of the core differences between this one and say... the i7-6700k. If you want a higher clock speed out of the box too without having to OC, that's one thing to consider. But if those aren't that important to you, I'd say your choice is a sound one (many, many people will argue for the merit of hyperthreading these days though - and I can't say they're incorrect in their reasoning). However, if you're comparing dollar-to-dollar value, invest that extra savings into your GPU.

And finally, onto your GPU, pretty solid choice. Especially if you're not considering options like the 1070 or 1080. I lean more towards GTX cards, but that's entirely my biased choice, and so I won't influence you that way. There's a number of arguments that go both ways, so I'd say for sanity sake (you could literally dig for hours on the comparisons), that you'd be safe going either route (and if DX12 is the big factor for you, AMD seems to be doing better in some games, not as good in others, and around the same in even other games, so there seems to be a LOT of variability in regards to this factor - AMD seems to be excelling better on more recent games, but it's hard to say if that will remain the trend or if it will shift).

Again, hope this was helpful :)

ok so i will start off with the case as that is most important. i will igve you a few options

1. CM HAF xb
   
   
2. LIAN LI PC-TU200B Black Aluminum Mini-ITX Tower Computer Case
   
   
3. node 304 black
   
   

4. bitfenix prodigy
   

   
   

   
   

   as for the build
   

   
   

   PCPartPicker part list / Price breakdown by merchant / Benchmarks
   

   
   

   Type|Item|Price
   

   ----|:----|:----
   CPU | Intel Core i5-3570K 3.4GHz Quad-Core Processor | $189.99 @ Microcenter
   CPU Cooler | Corsair H60 74.4 CFM Liquid CPU Cooler | $62.13 @ TigerDirect
   Motherboard | MSI Z77IA-E53 Mini ITX LGA1155 Motherboard | $119.99 @ SuperBiiz
   Memory | Patriot Viper 3 16GB (2 x 8GB) DDR3-1600 Memory | $119.99 @ Newegg
   Storage | Western Digital Caviar Black 1TB 3.5" 7200RPM Internal Hard Drive | $84.98 @ Outlet PC
   Video Card | Asus GeForce GTX 780 3GB Video Card | $659.99 @ NCIX US
   Case | BitFenix Prodigy (Black) Mini ITX Tower Case | $59.99 @ Microcenter
   Power Supply | SeaSonic G 550W 80 PLUS Gold Certified ATX12V / EPS12V Power Supply | $79.99 @ Amazon
   Operating System | Microsoft Windows 7 Home Premium SP1 (OEM) (64-bit) | $89.94 @ Outlet PC
   | | Total
   | Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available. | $1466.99
   | Generated by PCPartPicker 2013-06-05 18:58 EDT-0400 |
   
   
   OK so whats in here.
   
   3570k: what why? well it runs cooler will OC higher(with the h60) and is more than enough for gaming
   
   H60: because a big bulky cpu cooler looks dumb and i dont know how well it would fair in a system always getting moved around. i never trusted strapping one of those things onto a MOBO. h60 block is low profile and secure.
   
   MOBO: its a z77 have a nice day
   
   Memory: 16GB because people think ,more memory is more better, so when you tell people about your computer they will be impressed. 8GB is good enough though
   
   storage: you didn't say a use case. but if your going on the rigs you may want to load up some movies or tvshows 1tb is lots but again its easy to add more. also boot SSD because its cool
   
   GPU: 780. reference blower design is good for small form factor cases and the 780 is the best card for gaming right now
   
   case: is up to you but i think the prodogy looks nice
   
   PSU: 80plus gold= good, seasonic = good, modular = good
   
   OS: again up to you. i dont like 8.
   
   budget in another $150 for the monitor, $100 for key bored and mouse.
   
   provide feedback or more information for your use case and i will make a better build
   
   
   
   
   

Case: Rosewill, NZXT, and CoolerMaster are good places to start. Its mostly an aesthetic choice.

CPU: Intel i5 or i7. If you're budget is tight go i3.

GPU: This is the most important!! If your budget is tight I'd go with AMD R7 265X, R9 270, or Nvidia GTX 750 Ti. If not my pick would be the AMD R9 290 non-reference. It's cheaper than most yet is very powerful.

Motherboard- I use a Asrock Fatal1ty Killer. Most common brands are Asrock, MSI, Asus, and Gigabyte.

RAM- I use Kingston HyperX. Other good brands include Corsair, Crucial, G-Skill. Be sure to get 8GB or more RAM memory.

Power Supply Unit- The two highest reviewed brands are Seasonic and XFX (I use 1050watt XFX). Other good brands include Corsair, EVGA, CoolerMaster. You will want probably at least 700W PSU but I would recommend a !000W. It will give you headroom for any components you want to add.

Wifi- If you want/need this: TP-Link WDN-4800

SSD- This is for your operating system, doesn't help much with games. Samsung 840 Evo, Kingston HyperX, and AMD R7 (just released, only read reviews) are all good and affordable brands. You shouldn't need more than 120GB. If you have a M.2 socket on the Motherboard you choose, go with an M.2 SSD such as the Crucial M500, or if you can find it at an affordable price, the Samsung XP941.

HDD- Seagate Barracuda 3TB is a cheap, yet reliable choice.

Optical Drive- I've only used mine once, but you can find a DVD-RW on Amazon for like $12. (Internal not external)

Miscellaneous:

Keyboard: RAZR, Logitech are good brands

Mouse: too many to count, just browse "gaming mouse" on Amazon or Newegg.

Monitor: I prefer Asus. Go with an IPS monitor. They are gorgeous. !440p if you have the money, if not, 1080p.

Headphones- AudioTechnica or Sennheiser

non-reference are graphic cards with after-market coolers on them. I like XFX and Gigabyte.

Links to Parts:

CPU: http://www.amazon.com/Intel-i7-4790K-Processor-Cache-BX80646I74790K/dp/B00KPRWAX8/ref=sr_1_1?s=electronics&ie=UTF8&qid=1408495033&sr=1-1&keywords=intel+i7

GPU: http://www.amazon.com/Gigabyte-GDDR5-4GB-2xDVI-Graphics-GV-R929OC-4GD/dp/B00HS84DFU/ref=sr_1_1?s=electronics&ie=UTF8&qid=1408495068&sr=1-1&keywords=R9+290

Case: http://www.amazon.com/NZXT-PHANTOM-Tower-White-PHAN-001WT/dp/B003WE9WQO/ref=sr_1_1?s=electronics&ie=UTF8&qid=1408495102&sr=1-1&keywords=nzxt+phantom

MOBO: http://www.amazon.com/ASRock-FATAL1TY--LGA1150-CrossFireX-Motherboard/dp/B00KG5T4C4/ref=sr_1_2?s=electronics&ie=UTF8&qid=1408495154&sr=1-2&keywords=Asrock+z97+fatal1ty+killer

RAM: http://www.amazon.com/Kingston-HyperX-FURY-2x8GB-1600MHz/dp/B00J8E8XT4/ref=sr_1_6?s=electronics&ie=UTF8&qid=1408495201&sr=1-6&keywords=Kingston+RAM

SSD: http://www.amazon.com/Samsung-Electronics-2-5-Inch-Internal-MZ-7TE120BW/dp/B00E3W15P0/ref=sr_1_3?s=electronics&ie=UTF8&qid=1408495329&sr=1-3&keywords=samsung+840+evo

HDD: http://www.amazon.com/Seagate-Desktop-3-5-Inch-Internal-ST3000DM001/dp/B005T3GRLY/ref=sr_1_3?s=electronics&ie=UTF8&qid=1408495357&sr=1-3&keywords=Seagate+Barracuda

Good Luck ascending brother!!

that would be pretty serious build. 6700k is a great chip and should last you quite some time. If these gpus are gonna be as hardcore as they seem, then something like that might give you some high end performance. but 6600k might be enough. its up to you between those 2.

im very sketch on that motherboard though, pretty much no reviews, and ive heard mixed opinions on asrock. this one looks pretty good. http://pcpartpicker.com/part/asus-motherboard-z170a
ram you have looks good, but if you got this mobo id get it in white :)
looks like an alright case i kinda like this one personaly http://www.amazon.com/dp/B017XPP9KK/?tag=pcpapi-20 if you really go with a 1080 make sure gotta show it off :P though it doesnt have an optical drive bay. which for me is a plus, since you can fit an extra fan in there.

Excellent, thanks for the help.

I know at this point I am pretty much just being nitpicky, but will the yellow color of the RAM be apparent when inside the case? It'd be better if the colors matched a bit better. Would something like the G.Skill Ripjaws V in this 2x4GB alignment perform well with this setup of speeds at either DDR4-3733, 3200, or 3000?

Any suggestions for a case around that price that is microATX with a window (and if possible a PSU shroud)? This is the list of cases under $65 and to be honest not a lot of the cases on there are great, and those that stand out are more around $60. I did some research and found that the Thermaltake H15 case that you linked earlier is not sold in NA, but is sold in Aus, UK, LatAm, and more.

Any thoughts on the Corsair Carbide 88R or Cooler Master Masterbox Lite 3.1?

Thanks so much for the help.

The build itself is pretty good however having a z97 motherboard with a locked processor has little effect and since you're trying to save money, I'd recommend switching out that motherboard for this. It's an asrock h97m pro4 motherboard and it has many excellent features and is well rounded. Technically you could go even cheaper but right now it's $75 on newegg which save 15 bucks which is better than nothing I guess. And I'm sure you know this but just in case yes I do realize it's a micro atx motherboard in a full atx chassis but it'll still fit. In fact if you want to cut some costs on even more you can check out this I found it on amazon for $45 dollars and it's a well regarded case that can do everything that the 200r can do in a micro atx form factor but be aware that there are some differences in the process of the build such as cable management and things like hard drive installation. Other than that I think that's about it but if you search hard enough I've even seen deals for ram that cost $65 for 8 gigs of it. Good luck with your build!

Are you compiling large projects regularly? How long does your biggest build take?

If your not doing anything intense the the i5-2500K is an awful lot of CPU. For most people an i5 will just sit around spinning its wheels at 20% utilization.

First the K is for overclocking so if you're not overclocking then the Intel i5-2400 ($10 off coupon HARDOCPX4X6B ends 4/12) at $180 is a much better deal. If you are just doing normal computer things and non CPU intensive software development then the Intel i3-2100 ($10 off coupon EMCKFKE29 end 4/11) for $115 is a really great processor at a great price. Computer parts are so powerful now that you just don't need a top of the line CPU except for special applications like 3D rendering, video encoding and large project compiling.

Second you can get a much less expensive mobo like the ASRock H61M-VS for $67 or the Biostar H61MU3 H61 uATX to get USB 3.0 for $87. Either of these boards will give you integrated graphics too so you can drop the GT 210.

Almost any PSU will work as this is not a power hungry system. If you might want to add a gaming GPU later then get the OCZ SXS2 600W ($10 off coupon OCZAPRIL713 ends 4/13) (review) for $30. Otherwise the Antec Basiq 350W PSU ($5 off coupon EMCKFKE25 ends 4/11) for $15 will be fine. The Antec is not very efficient though so get the OCZ if efficiency is an issue for you.

The Samsung Spinpoint F3 1TB 7200RPM for $60 performs about the same as the WD black and is bigger too.

Few people can make use of more than 4GB of RAM. Mushkin 4GB DDR3-1333 for $40.

You're going to need a case if you aren't recycling an old one. NZXT Gamma, Cooler Master Elite 430 and HEC Blitz are all $40.

The bottom line is you just don't need to spend very much to get a great computer anymore. $1000 is a huge budget. You could build two very nice i3 systems for $353 each and still be spending less.

I'm mainly a console player currently, as I'm a broke college student fresh out of high school, but I plan to rectify this with part of my college loan that im not using for a car. But I honestly can't remember a time when I hadn't played games. Even way back (only nineteen now so it's been awhile for me) when my dad gave me his super nintendo or when my dad got a ps2 when the first came out and I used to play it when he wasn't home. I grew up playing games all my life, it's something I've grown to love fondly. I realize consoles are hated on quite a bit here, but I've had some of the best memories of my life playing them with friends who to this day still play along with me. The only things I have currently for my intended build would be my case and my 700 watt power supply which I can no longer find on amazon.

http://www.amazon.com/GAMMA-Classic-Interior-Chassis-Black/dp/B002UDK9U6/ref=sr_1_18?ie=UTF8&qid=1411142595&sr=8-18&keywords=nzxt+case

I know MSI has some sort of offer going on with that MOBO right now for a free AIO with it so I'd look into that.

Overall though that board has not received great reviews, though I think it's mostly for it's VRM so if you're not planning to overclock you might be ok.

Also I'd consider upgrading the GPU. Many RX 580s are selling at $200 or below right now which at max would be $70 more than you're current choice, so still with in your budget.

For instance the Sapphire Pulse RX 580 8gb is $170 and also comes with 3 months of Xbox Game pass and Devil May Cry 5. You can either use those or sell them on something like /r/SteamGameSwap (note, these are redeemed through AMD rewards which does a hardware check for AMD cards so they can only be redeemed by people with the right card in their system.)

Also that case seems really overpriced. If you really want an overpriced pretty looking case I'd suggest the NZXT H510 Elite, $170, but it's free shipping and no taxes if you order directly from their site. That case is all about the looks though and really doesn't have the feature set to justify the price tag, it's for people who don't care about the premium and want that front panel tempered glass look.

Otherwise there are plenty of solid cases that look nice with glass side panels for less than $100.

The Fractal Design Meshify C has decent thermals and looks pretty nice for around $85-$100 (depending on the color.)

Phanteks has a case similar to the one you listed for just $60

NZXT Also has some nice cases under $100. There are the "I" (intelligent variants) that come with a smart controller and some RGB strips for usually $30 more if you're into lighting.

Unless you really want the case you listed though I definitely suggest something else.

Thanks everyone for the very helpful information. I think I've narrowed it down, and if anyone wants to chime in, please do. I really want to do this right, and to that end, I will have continued patience.

It comes down to this:

I really, really like the Fractal Define XL R2. The design is exactly what I am looking for. I shouldn't worry so much about its looks as it wont really be seen, but I can't get over how good it looks. That said, I can't seem to find any information about modifying the lower front fan locations to accept more front load hotswap bays. Sure, I have the upper 4 to use, but am unsure about the bottom.

With the above said, The Antec Nine Hundred will do exactly what I want, thanks to /u/zonedguy. But the look of the case itself is not appealing to me at all. I really need to stop worrying about that and get over it.

Lastly the Rosewill RSV-L4412 will do what I want, looks good, but I will have to get creative with where I put it. Yeah, its more than twice the price of the Antec, but its completely futureproofed. I was thinking of putting it on its side, strapped to a wall, or shelf for now. I can always add an abundance of rack hardware to it in the future.

The hunt continues. Thanks again for the help!

Awesome, thank you for the input! Are there any components to you that stick out in this build, either under spec or over spec for this level of build? I appreciate your input on the Ryzen issue, overclocking in the future sounds good.
I looked at the case you suggested and I like the look of it, I got an NZXT for my last build that I mentioned. Love the look of both that case and the one you suggested. But, with the budget of the build, is there a cheaper case you like you can recommend? Thanks again.

Edit: Looked around at some more cases, it seems like that's a good price for a case. What do you think about this Cooler Master case vs the NZXT?

https://www.amazon.com/Cooler-Master-HTPC-Computer-RC-902XB-KKN2/dp/B00FFJ0H3Q/ref=as_li_ss_tl?ie=UTF8&qid=1487971681&sr=8-1&keywords=Cooler+Master+HAF+XB+II+EVO&linkCode=sl1&tag=gpunerd-20&linkId=cf56e143d360026aa59a0722663ee46c

You can look at this thread where this guy made an 3d graphic line-up of all the popular mini-ITX cases. Just look at the thread and click on his illustration pic.

https://www.reddit.com/r/buildapc/comments/51ukjm/agonizing_over_itx_case_options_so_i_rendered_a/

Looking at his pics, though, the Fractal Node 202 and the Silverstone RVZ02B are the best bets in that particular slim factor form.

I don't know if you've seen these cases in person, but even the chunky cases are pretty tiny, like the Fractal Design Core 500 looks kind of chunky in online pics but when I saw it, I was surprised at how tiny it is. The Cube-like Thermaltake v1 is a lot smaller than it looks in pictures.

The N1CaseM1 is a very popular case on the reddit -- it's very small, doesn't take up much room and very cleverly designed, but it's expensive at over $200.

But you're right that the Fractal Node 202 and the RVZ02B are very slim -- they are indeed. Silverstone has other models that are very similar to the RVZ02B, basically with less gamer-like bling on them, like the ML07B model. If you go here you can see Silverstone slim models by selecting the pics in the product description:
https://www.amazon.com/SilverStone-Technology-Mini-ITX-Computer-RVZ02B/dp/B0161UXX9W

Also you can ask around in r/sffpc/ which is devoted to small form factor builds.

I've been going down a similar route, and to be honest for this use i recommend an entirely different route. But let me add, I can be a very cheap guy, so I understand if my idea sounds crazy.




Go mini-itx and get used parts where u can.

An Intel g4900 can do hevc at super low latency. From there get a used mini itx, socket 1151 motherboard on eBay but ensure it has display port. Most onboard HDMI won't do 4k 60.




Get something like this for a case, already has psu in it.

https://smile.amazon.com/WIN-150W-Mini-ITX-Black-BQ656T-AD150TB3/dp/B01LVV6WVU/ref=aw_wl_crc_4_2?_encoding=UTF8&pd_rd_i=B01LVV6WVU&pd_rd_r=WHADD2JVAK5XFZKMDF7D&pd_rd_w=6Pr7i&pd_rd_wg=Wn1Uk&pf_rd_p=6010c122-efbe-4961-8fbc-f76c34906c30&pf_rd_r=WHADD2JVAK5XFZKMDF7D&psc=1&refRID=WHADD2JVAK5XFZKMDF7D




Then use moonlight streaming.

Is it all more then a rk3399? Yes, but it's still small, and will out perform an Nvidia shield. From my desktop to a machine like this I'm getting under 3ms latency at 6k 60hz. Yes under 3ms.




Sidenote:. I've tried Android TV boxes, sbc's. It was all a shitshow for this purpose. And none of them could do low latency like this. I highly recommend looking this direction.
I even got a pi 4. Just sold it. In the future the pi4 might be awesome for this, but software is not there yet.

PCPartPicker part list / Price breakdown by merchant

Type|Item|Price

----|:----|:----
CPU | Intel Core i5-4690K 3.5GHz Quad-Core Processor | £174.00 @ Amazon UK
CPU Cooler | Cooler Master Hyper TX3 Evo 43.1 CFM CPU Cooler | £16.99 @ Amazon UK
Motherboard | Gigabyte GA-Z97M-DS3H Micro ATX LGA1150 Motherboard | £71.96 @ Scan.co.uk
Memory | GeIL Black Dragon 16GB (2 x 8GB) DDR3-1333 Memory | £89.27 @ Amazon UK
Storage | Crucial BX100 120GB 2.5" Solid State Drive | £48.46 @ CCL Computers
Storage | Seagate Barracuda 1TB 3.5" 7200RPM Internal Hard Drive | £39.60 @ Aria PC
Video Card | Gigabyte Radeon R9 280 3GB WINDFORCE Video Card | £139.98 @ Amazon UK
Case | Cooler Master K380 ATX Mid Tower Case | £23.99 @ Amazon UK
Power Supply | Silverstone Strider Essential 600W 80+ Bronze Certified ATX Power Supply | £47.64 @ Scan.co.uk
Monitor | BenQ GL2450HM 60Hz 24.0" Monitor | Purchased For £0.00
| Prices include shipping, taxes, rebates, and discounts |
| Total | £651.89
| Generated by PCPartPicker 2015-03-17 01:15 GMT+0000 |


CPU/Motherboard - Overclockable as requested, i5 is best for gaming PC's at this price range

CPU cooler -For to overclock (a bit)

Memory - 16gb ddr3 (Lots, as requested)

Storage - As requested

Video card - Enough for 1080p 60 fps at max settings on most games, and on high on really intensive games (such as Mordor)

Case - I hate this case. But it's the best case with room for everything that would keep it under £650. I'd recommend upgrading a bit (another £20 gets you a Zalman z11 which is a much higher quality case)

PSU - Good quality, 600w should be enough for this build with a light overclock

Monitor - This one is fine. Look for 24", 60hz, 1080p, >5ms response time, expect to spend £110-130 new, less if you buy used!

Hope this is what you wanted, any questions PM me. This is a great build for your budget, I'm quite excited that this can be done for £650 now!

Are you looking to build one from complete scratch, or are you looking to buy one that already has some of what you need(hdd trays, caddys, etc)?

for my last NAS build, I ended up getting myself a 4U chassis. A good one that I can recommend is the RSV-L4500 You can also pick something like the RSV-L4000 for something with a horizontal bay if you like. Or If you know that you want it full of Drives and are comfortable stopping at 12 hot swap bays, Rosewills RSV-L4412 would be ideal from the get go, as you wont need to replace the bays that it comes with at any point.

I ended up purchasing 3 3x5.25 to 5x3.5 bay hdd caddys for a total of 15 drives. Looks exactly like THIS

After you get the case, you can put the parts that you like in it. Just read what size motherboard fits, get an appropriate power supply for the number of drives you'll be using, get an HBA that does JBOD and can can connect to the number of drives you'll be getting, and you're good to go.

Specifically for freenas, you can put the OS on a USB and run it from there, however because Small USB tend to be hit or miss, i recommend a SATA DOM or two, plugged directly into the motherboard instead of via the HBA. Two if you want to mirror the OS. Remember, do not use any form of hardware raid when using freenas.



Edit: words.

Could you give me an example of what a skylake combo would be like? I honestly don't even know what a skylake combo is.

Thanks a lot for the info about the mobos! I'm so glad that MSI is actually one of the best in terms of usability. I have heard that Asus has really good mobos but I couldn't find any that would fit the aesthetics :(. Or do you have any other suggestions for mobos that you personally like?

Also if I may ask, do you know if this build would fit and be okay in a NZXT Phantom Full tower case and not a Phantom 530? such as http://www.amazon.com/NZXT-PHANTOM-Tower-White-PHAN-001WT/dp/B003WE9WQO/ref=sr_1_4?ie=UTF8&qid=1449790225&sr=8-4&keywords=NZXT+phantom

Thanks a lot!

fuck - I typed out a good long reply to you and hit my browser back button and lost it. here we go typing it up again..


As far as the cases, I am looking to keep it relatively cheap. I found this but I also like this. I like them as they'll 'show off' the white finish on that motherboard I'm eyeing. Do you have any other suggestions in that price range?

I'll take your suggestion and leave out the audio card. This is a high(er) quality MOBO if I do go for it so it should be sufficient.

As far as the GPU - am I missing something with this product? This is a great price for a 950 (isn't it!?) and would totally go for this as opposed to the cheaper cards my coworker is offering. This would operate better than those, right?

I am really hoping for some good suggestions here. Money isn't an unlimited factor - and this is absolutely a want over a need, but I definitely want to do this, but do it right and not put hard worked money to waste.

Gigabyte, definitely. They manufacture their own motherboards and they're rock solid to boot. Great choice on the Seasonic power supply. It should handle any single graphics card on the market with ease.

I noticed you picked up 2 seperate sticks of RAM. You can much better RAM (same brand and capacity, just lower latency) here for the same cost. You can get an awesome, and slightly cheaper case from here. Also, the 5770 is not a great gaming card by today's standards. It can hold its own in modern games, but you can do a lot better. I'd recommend the GTX 560 Ti, but if that's too pricey, then try to go for a GTX 460 1GB for $30 less. Those cards are in the $200+ range, but are well worth it for the performance. If that's too expensive, shoot for a [GTX 460 768Mb}(http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814121390&cm_re=gtx_460_768mb-_-14-121-390-_-Product). I'm not a big fan of dual graphics cards because those setups are heavily driver-dependent. Pick a good card now and it should last you for years before needing to upgrade to another single, powerful graphics card.

> I came to the realization that the PCI slots don't all have the same bandwidth (so I'm hoping this discovery may be a good thing)

It is! You'll now be able to use your SLI more efficiently. Just make sure there's no other damage to the board, but from what you said it seems ok now.



>Now, the big question for me: are these video cards too close together?.

Yeah, the top one is blowing hot air directly onto the PCB of the other one, hindering the top one's cooling and cooking the other. Look into getting them watercooled. I would stop using SLI until then if I were you.



>And a follow-up question: does anyone know of a better CPU fan than this.

Yes.



BONUS

This case is pretty much wife-proof especially if you swap out it's mesh top panel for a plexiglass one. Those are kinda hard to find but not impossible. Coolermaster may sell them directly.

I think they are trying to say it's more money/not possible to do it in a 1u as it's not designed for that and uses custom parts. You are on the right track but you just need a bigger case.

Certain tasks these old servers would be great for, but it sounds like this is something that will not work for your use case. You can still piece it together from cheap eBay parts, just get the 1u idea out of your head. Even 2u would be a more standard profile for regular sized PSU and room for GPU.

Why are you so set on 1u? I just got a 4u rosewill case and it's amazing and can accomplish all the things you want.

Rosewill 4U Server Chassis/Server Case/Rackmount Case, Metal Rack Mount Computer Case with 12 Hot Swap Bays & 5 Fans Pre-Installed (RSV-L4412) https://www.amazon.ca/dp/B00N9CXGSO/ref=cm_sw_r_cp_apa_i_YzGRCb06HGQQJ

Silverstone makes a lot of good small form factor cases. I really like the [RVZ02](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OJHGVIZw9vs
). Heres an amazon link to the case along with other cases from silverstone.

Another good one from Silverstone is the SG13B (Newegg) if you dont mind going with a small cube for a case.

The [Bitfenix Pandora](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AjsCnESY68E
) is a beautiful case that would look great on the shelf.

Lian-li makes beautiful and unique cases, the kind you wouldnt see anywhere else, although at a premium cost.

If you want an absolutely tiny case get the M350.

Looking for a case for a micro atx build. I want to buy on amazon since I have a lot of amazon credit from trading in books, but if theres a much better for the money case at micro center I'd do that. Heres what Im thinking:
http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B00AAJ0ZGK/ref=ox_sc_act_title_2?ie=UTF8&psc=1&smid=ATVPDKIKX0DER

I'd like to not go over $50 ideally on the case, this is a budget build. I don't particularly like how this looks but its a bit better than the 29.99 rose will case and it has a lot of USB 3.0. Is there something better? Maybe this: http://www.amazon.com/Cooler-Master-N200-Computer-Mini-ITX/dp/B00COGDERY/ref=sr_1_6?s=pc&ie=UTF8&qid=1395415408&sr=1-6&keywords=micro+atx ?

1. Gaming mice tend to be quite pricey if you get a branded one. Unless you're a pro (like super precise fps stuff) I highly recommend Perixx. Its literally half the price, mine's been working great for the past 4 years and its on amazon.
   https://www.amazon.com/Perixx-MX-2000-Programmable-Gaming-Laser/dp/B0083H4NG4/ref=sr_1_1?s=wireless&ie=UTF8&qid=1479459405&sr=8-1&keywords=Perrix
   
   
2. As for LED lighting, again HUE+ is quite expensive for the functionality. Go for https://www.amazon.com/Tingkam-RGB-Attached-Controller-Generation/dp/B01HXPPUR2/ref=sr_1_5?s=pc&ie=UTF8&qid=1479459584&sr=1-5&keywords=led+pc+lighting
   If you want something that just works.
   
   
3. I got myself a drone last year but ended up playing with it like 3-4 times. There's a very high chance that it'll just end up in storage
   
   
4. Personally I recommend a nice tech backpack or satchel. Checkout CaseCrown for tech orientated packs
   https://www.casecrown.com/product-category/bags/
   

Hey! Thanks so much for the suggestions. I don't intend to do any overclocking, so it seems like a good choice to swap out the CPU. I've changed the motherboard, graphics card and found myself a nice hard drive

Do you think this is a better build for me?

Type|Item|Price

----|:----|:----
CPU | Intel Core i5-6600 3.3GHz | £200 @ Amazon
Motherboard | Gigabyte Intel LGA1151 D3HP Motherboard | £100 @ Amazon
GPU | Zotac GeForce GTX 1060 1152 NVIDIA CUDA Cores Mini 3 GB | £185 @ Amazon
Memory | Corsair CMK8GX4M2B3000C15 Vengeance LPX 8GB (2x4GB) DDR4 3000Mhz CL15 XMP 2.0 | £50 @ Amazon
PSU | Corsair CP-9020102-UK CX Series 550W Power Supply Unit | £60 @ Amazon
SSD | Silicon Power Slim 120 GB SSD | £40 @ Amazon
HD | Toshiba P300 High Performance 1TB Internal Hard Drive | £40 @ Amazon
Case | Corsair Carbide Series 400C Mid-Tower ATX Performance Computer Case - Black | £97 @ Amazon
|| Total
| (Prices include shipping and discounts when available.) | £775.50

Also, thanks for the heads up, I'll try and find my hard drives somewhere else.

If you really do want led strip for your pc but don’t wanna pay much, I got these from amazon and prolly better than branded ones. It’s got a remote and the modes are really nice as well. My tower case is tinted on the sides but I still see everything perfectly. Worth it every $

[RGB LED strips for PC](Tingkam Full Kit RGB 5050 SMD 2pcs 18leds 30cm LED Strip Light Attached to Your PC Case via Magnet with 24 key Remote Controller for Desktop Computer Mid Tower Case (The 2nd Generation) https://www.amazon.com/dp/B01HXPPUR2?ref=yo_pop_ma_swf)

Also you didn’t mention what your current server specs are. From my understanding, the Synology ds916+ is just a NAS box.

If you’re looking to do VMs, Docker, Game server, Media, etc... you can’t go wrong with either some older used enterprise / workstation level stuff like Xeons. Although I’ve heard promising things about how the AMD Ryzens handle Hyper-V, VMs multithreading etc.

If space is an issue, I’d suggest looking for the best refurb/used 2U Dell server you can afford. I think there are some like the R720 out there with Xeon CPUs and come with memory, just add storage.

If you want more flexibility in upgrades and parts — roll your own. It might come out cheaper, too.

You could probably build a decent dual Xeon E5-xxxx system with like 64gb+ of DDR3 ECC Ram for cheap. You’ll need to find a compatible LGA 2011 (Socket R) motherboard though. Right now I have a system like that on an Intel s2600cp mobo, and it purrs. 32 cores, 64gb ram, takes anything I can throw at it.

Toss that into a 4u server chassis like this: https://www.amazon.com/Rosewill-Rackmount-Computer-Pre-Installed-RSV-L4412/dp/B00N9CXGSO/ and you’re good to go.

You're definitely going to need a 1070ti at least to be playing at 4k with any hopes of getting to 60FPS. I have a 1080 I bought on r/hardwareswap for $340. It's worth taking a look on there, because most of the cards in the upper tier of the 1000 series still have warranties. However, a 1070 can do 1440P with pretty decent frames, depending on the game. The games you have listed should be fine. I recommend the Phanteks P300, it's only $60 and has decent cable management. I recently used it in my Ryzen build. Also, ditch the CPU cooler, the Wraith cooler comes stock with the 2600 and is very serviceable. The bump down to 550W is smart also. Hope this helps!

The difference between the i5 3750k and the i7 3770K is negligible. Save the money.

An SSD will make the biggest difference of any part.

Only need one mechanical drive, but it should be 7200RPM. There is no reason to have a 1.5TB and a 500GB drive. You can always add more drives later.

As for the GPU, the 7970 is deemed the best single-gpu card. It is far better than the 580 when it comes to multiple monitors, too. I am intrigued why you prefer Nvidia. If you are set on Nvidia, definitely go for the 680 if you can afford it.

Do you have any peripherals?

If you plan on overclocking your CPU, you'll need an aftermarket cooler. I know very little about coolers, but stock isn't good enough for cooling if overclocking.

As for the case, this is very popular around here. You'll have to look around for it though, amazon probably doesn't have the best price.

EDIT - for the SSD, get the samsung 830. 64 or 128GB is easily enough for just the OS and a few games etc.

It's alright :) yeah I thought that I just wanted to make sure, right now I cant afford it anyway but in about 2 months I'll have enough, do you think they will be available by then? also i was wondering what you thought of this case, from what I can tell it seems pretty good:
https://www.amazon.co.uk/Corsair-Carbide-Mid-Tower-Performance-Computer/dp/B017XPP9KK/ref=as_li_ss_tl?ie=UTF8&qid=1463225241&sr=8-1&keywords=corsair+carbide+400c&linkCode=sl1&tag=techs05d-21&linkId=3e6a5cee65adf282c14263316bdb18e6

Also do you think it is worth me upgrading to a water cooling system rather than air cooling for my CPU, not a massive deal but a lot of the videos I have been watching have water cooling.

Thanks.

Wow, this is amazing. Thank you so so so much. I'll definitely look more into this motherboard point, I can definitely see where you're coming from. I'm so excited for the 480 to come out, it really can't come out soon enough! I meant the Node 202 (http://www.amazon.com/dp/B015MKDOPU/ref=psdc_572238_t2_B00I3EKXDE) but I'm leaning towards the Silverstone anyway.

Once again thanks so much, this subreddit is fantastic and it's redditors like you that make it so.

Okay, so I looked everything over, and it seems like a very solid build. I have just a couple recommendations to improve your system a bit. I priced everything out for your build including taxes and combo deals and it appears you’ll be spending $922.75 and $867.55 after your mail in rebates. First you might as well upgrade to a full ATX board if your going to go with a full tower. I would go with the MSI Z68A-GD55 from newegg, its $154 and has a $20 MIR. Its pretty much the same board as the one you chose, just ATX instead of mATX. Second, purchase your processor from amazon.com to save some money on taxes. I would recommend the i5 2500K, you may not be interested in overclocking now, but you may want to do it at some point (just make sure you buy a better cooler). Last purchase the EVGA GTX 560 for $184.99 with a $10 MIR from amazon as well. So by just purchasing your parts from a different vendor you can essentially upgrade to a full ATX board and GTX 560 for just $2.63 more. Heres the breakdown.
From Newegg.com:
Motherboard: MSI Z68A-GD55 (B3) LGA 1155 Intel Z68 - $154.99 - $20MIR
Memory: G.Skill Sniper Low Voltage 8GB - $59.99
Power Supply: OCZ ModXStream 600W - $74.99 - $25MIR
Hard Drive: Samsung Spinpoint F3 1TB - $59.99

Tax: $30.62
Total from Newegg: $380.58

From Amazon.com:
Processor: Intel Core i5 2500k - $219.99
Graphics Card: EVGA Geforce GTX 560 - $184.99 - $10MIR
Case: NZXT Phantom White - $139.82

Total from Amazon: $544.80

Combined Total: $925.38
Minus Mail in Rebates: -$20(Mobo) - $25(PSU) - $10(GPU) = $870.38

CPU/GPU Combo, AMD APU Ryzen 2400g - $160.

16GB RAM, TridentZ RGB. - $165. It's important not to skimp on cheap RAM, the APU needs fast dual channel ram to be able to process the graphics as it shares memory lanes with the system memory, as all APUs do. You could go with 8GB and be fine though, just buy a 2x4GB kit for dual channel support and you'll save $80. Try to clock the RAM to at least 3200MHZ in the BIOS to get the most out of the APU or buy ram that comes at that speed.

240GB SSD. -$40. I prefer a smaller capacity but fast and cheap SSD over a larger hard drive, keep in mind the case only holds one 2.5" drive and one extra if you buy a hard drive caddy for the optical drive slot in the case.

Motherboard, has WIFI and Bluetooth built in. - $110. Solid board, decent VRM, great reviews. If you build in my small case, you gotta get an ITX size motherboard, nothing else will fit.


10.1" Monitor. - $110. See this comment for my thoughts on this one. It's the best price to performance portable USB powered monitor I could find. Don't buy the 7" one, it has half the resolution.

The In-Win ITX PC case. - $70. Comes with a 150w power supply, but does not have a GPU slot, hence the AMD APU. Very small, 3 x 8.9 x 7.6 inches.

i also live in Canada, so i know your pain, lol! my current build is in a Lian Li PC-Q21 that i bought a couple years ago when it was available on newegg. nowadays, i noticed it can still be bought off eBay from Japan, but double the price!

here are two cases that i've always had an eye on:

Fractal Design node 202: https://www.amazon.ca/Fractal-Design-FD-CA-NODE-202-BK-Case/dp/B015MKDOPU/ref=sr_1_2?keywords=node+202&qid=1572547088&sr=8-2

Silverstone ml08: https://www.amazon.ca/SilverStone-Technology-SST-RVZ02B-W-Mini-ITX-Computer/dp/B0161UXW9I/ref=pd_sbs_147_14?_encoding=UTF8&pd_rd_i=B0161UXXN8&pd_rd_r=b04fa8ee-928b-4d1f-b8a7-40e0fabc6d7c&pd_rd_w=fiBQv&pd_rd_wg=ED0f5&pf_rd_p=0602d3b5-e536-4dc4-9e55-dd650b3d14d4&pf_rd_r=HV71M5P0KMBR3PQRV566&refRID=HV71M5P0KMBR3PQRV566&th=1

other good cases:

Jonsbo C2 from China on eBay: https://www.ebay.ca/itm/Jonsbo-C2-Aluminum-PC-Computer-Case-Desktop-PC-Chassis-for-Mini-ITX-Micro-ATX/293023116448?hash=item443989eca0:m:mPKjI1ZtvmqtIg1qpMaJgYw

Lian Li PC-Q21 from Japan on eBay: https://www.ebay.ca/itm/Lian-Li-Mini-Q-Series-Mini-ITX-Compatible-Cube-Case-Expansion-Slot-Black-PC-Q21B/193182973241?hash=item2cfa9a3d39:g:-0MAAOSwoC9duOue

k77 from Aliexpress: https://www.aliexpress.com/item/4000267241548.html?spm=a2g0o.productlist.0.0.10fe5cf3tJVnNO&algo_pvid=742b62cc-0071-48c9-8acd-361f98286bdc&algo_expid=742b62cc-0071-48c9-8acd-361f98286bdc-0&btsid=cdaeb6ee-7fd2-485e-b1c9-649b39f44c24&ws_ab_test=searchweb0_0,searchweb201602_2,searchweb201603_52

k39 from Aliexpress: https://www.aliexpress.com/item/4000287880325.html?spm=a2g0o.productlist.0.0.15467032eCq5Ab&algo_pvid=98392772-711c-4df0-98b6-fa19ae8c1543&algo_expid=98392772-711c-4df0-98b6-fa19ae8c1543-25&btsid=d4ec0ba9-7d37-4929-8740-cf15b869059b&ws_ab_test=searchweb0_0,searchweb201602_2,searchweb201603_52

there are others on Aliexpress and eBay, but it requires lots of searching, and praying things arrive safely when you do order :)

I'm super grateful for the time you took to make this list but I only needed a new mid tower haha. I managed to get every part from except the tower from newegg and amazon which both offer cheap 2 day delivery. Only exception for both was the mid tower case which I had to pay extra $50-100 to make it a 2 day delivery which I thought it would've been better to buy a better case instead of wasting $50-100 on 2 day delivery. Do you think https://www.amazon.com/Corsair-Carbide-Clear-Compact-Mid-Tower/dp/B017XPP9KK/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1503024759&sr=8-1&keywords=corsair+400c is a good choice for the first list? I don't mind spending couple extra bucks.

Nice! I would only offer one piece of cautionary advice with rigid tubing though; if you plan on upgrading frequently the rigid tubing could become a hassle during part changes (depends on how it's set up, is the tubing you're looking at completely rigid or semi-rigid?). If your cooling 2 GPUs and your CPU with rigid tubing I would definitely look into a full-tower, it would make your life a lot easier, haha. For full tower cases: Corsair Graphite 780T (again :D), Cooler Master HAF X, Corsair 750D, Nzxt Phantom etc. Also, with full tower cases, space can't really be a limitation; they can get very large. Lastly, these are only a handful of cases, there are a ton of them, but they will run for a bit more money than mid-towers.

addendum: Although the air 540 is a 'mid-tower' the design of the case may have the space for what you want to do, I wouldn't rule out mids like those (I'll update my opinion on this when my case shows up.)

Yes! The rest of my parts are in various stages of delivery, but hopefully I will have the computer put together by the end of the week. I will PM you with pics and specs/clearance in the case :D

I can't say anything about the Apevia PSU specifically, but I can guarantee that the PSU is not a part you want to skimp on. It's worth the extra cash to get a more reliable PSU that is less likely to fry your components. I don't think you don't need 8GB Ram. I run CS5 just fine on a laptop with integrated graphics and 4GB ram, though admittedly I don't use photoshop heavily. Additionally, RAM is exceedingly easy to add to later.

Unless you do video editing or have a huge amount of media, you likely won't run in to storage problems with a 500GB HDD. Given that it's $20 to double the capacity, though, that's your call. I'm not saying that's only $20 because I've been there. What size is your HDD now, and is it a problem for you?

If you haven't tried doing a fresh install on your current comp, not just restore points and CCleaner, try that. It will help. It might not help enough, but it will help.

Finally, virtually any new computer you get will feel amazing, so don't sweat the small stuff.

Type|Item|Price

----|:----|:----
Motherboard + CPU Combo | Core i3-2100 + GIGABYTE GA-H61M-D2P-B3 | $186.98 @ Newegg
Memory | Corsair XMS3 4GB (2 x 2GB) DDR3-1333 Memory | $43.99 @ Newegg
Hard Drive | Samsung Spinpoint F3 500GB 3.5" 7200RPM Internal Hard Drive | $49.99 @ Newegg
Power Supply | Antec 430W ATX12V / EPS12V Power Supply | $49.99 @ Newegg
Case | NZXT Gamma | $39.99 @ Amazon
|| Total
| (Prices include shipping and discounts when available.) | $370.94

Yes something like that! Can't seem to find any pictures of the inside http://www.amazon.com/Cooler-Master-Power-Supply-RC-902XB-KKN2/dp/B00FFJ0H3Q/ref=dp_ob_title_ce

Do you know of any other "cases like that?" It looks great but am also interested in what else might be out there.

TYVM

Thank you for taking the time to help me with this build. I appreciate the help from someone who is experienced with building PCs. I have a couple of new questions about the parts in the list you provided:
Why did you upgrade it to 16GB of RAM? I'm not planning on doing VR gaming, and I've learned through doing some online research that the most RAM that a large majority of games need is 8GB.
Since this configuration consumes only 230W, could I just downgrade the PSU to this one?
I noticed that none of the vendors in your list are Amazon. My original thinking was that it would be cheaper to ship these parts all at the same time using Amazon Prime. Do these other vendors offer better support/customer service?
Here's a new list that I came up with, based on your recommendations:


Part | Name | Price ($)
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Motherboard|MSI Pro Series Intel B250 LGA 1151 DDR4 HDMI USB 3.1 micro-ATX | 79.99
GPU|MSI GTX 1050 TI 4GT OC | 139.99
CPU|Intel Boxed Pentium Processor G4500 FC-LGA14C 3.5 1 LGA 1151 BX80662G4500 | 70.09
RAM|Corsair LPX 8GB DRAM 2666MHz C16 memory kit for Systems 8 DDR4 2666 (PC4 21300) DDR4 2666 | 65.09
HDD|WD Blue 1TB SATA 6 Gb/s 7200 RPM 64MB Cache 3.5 Inch Desktop Hard Drive | 49.99
SSD|WD Blue 250GB PC SSD - SATA 6 Gb/s M.2 2280 Solid State Drive - WDS250G1B0B | 72.65
Case|Rosewill Micro-ATX Mini Tower Computer Case with Dual USB 3.0, Dual Fans and 12.5-Inch Card LINE-M Black | 39.95
PSU|EVGA 430 W1, 80+ WHITE 430W Power Supply | 34.99
Price with Shipping and tax estimate| | 608.10

Glad to help. The BD drive you have picked out is read-only, though. A BD burner will run you close to $100.

As for the motherboard, I just have a fair amount of experience with MSI over the years, all positive. This model has a nice combination of features and price. You can probably find something comparable from ASUS, Gigabyte, or Biostar.

Edit: Also, the Phantom comes in black, red, and a few somewhat custom versions like black and orange and black and green (Nvidia theme, I guess) and white with red trim (my personal favorite).

inwin chopin case is very popular now, awesomely tiny and priced very well at $80 considering it comes with the power supply

here are some youtube videos

• https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oa9xbnIdrFw
  
• https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nqikHGlwYes
  
  would be buying noctua heatsink for it, Noctua L9i or L9a
  
  Now its amd vs intel decision, but deciding factor is the fact that you need integrated gpu and you want VMs
  
  
• amd 2400g with 8 threads and very powerful integrated gpu that allows gaming for around $160
  
• intel i5 8400 with 6 threads for around $180
  
• intel i7 8700 with 12 threads fr around $300
  
  rest is to pick mobo depending on cpu choice, some ram likely 16GB
  
  storage, ssd I would go for m.2 crucial MX500 500GB for amazing $115
  
  for larger cheaper hdd storage you need to go 2.5" notebook HDDs, two positions for them.
  
  check /r/sffpc (small form factor PC) for some awesome builds, search there for "chopin" to see lot of posts, or look around for other small builds.

Been browsing for the best price, found this on Amazon:

http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B003WE9WQO/ref=s9_simh_gw_p23_d0_i1?pf_rd_m=ATVPDKIKX0DER&pf_rd_s=center-2&pf_rd_r=03BTCAX3W7D81095DJ7W&pf_rd_t=101&pf_rd_p=470938631&pf_rd_i=507846

Although black is a bit higher, I'm sure Amazon will price match the white one though

Free shipping if you have prime as well, I know Newegg had this case for 100$ back on Black Friday.. hopefully that deal returns soon

Because I'm bored and do this for a living I'm going to put together an alt build for you:

Nice entry level Skylake gaming Mobo (I've used this, it's nice, has USB 3.1 which will be very helpful in the coming years for data transfers)

https://www.amazon.com/MSI-Gaming-Skylake-Motherboard-H110M/dp/B01B4U47E4/ref=sr_1_2?s=pc&ie=UTF8&qid=1486579857&sr=1-2&keywords=lga+1151

Processor: G440

https://www.amazon.com/Intel-BX80662G4400-Pentium-Processor-FCLGA1151/dp/B015VPX05A

RAM (only 8GB but get 16 if you can afford another $40 or so)

https://www.amazon.com/Kingston-HyperX-2133MHz-Non-ECC-HX421C14FBK2/dp/B00TY6A1P0/ref=sr_1_5?s=pc&ie=UTF8&qid=1486579959&sr=1-5&keywords=DDR4

Video card:

RX 470 OC edition, I like this card great bang for the buck:

https://www.amazon.com/MSI-Radeon-RX-470-ARMOR/dp/B01N3TCNNW/ref=sr_1_1?s=pc&ie=UTF8&qid=1486580034&sr=1-1&keywords=RX+470+4gb

SSD: budget one, but way better than a spinning drive:

https://www.amazon.com/Silicon-Power-240GB-Internal-SP240GBSS3S55S25AE/dp/B01M61OWRI/ref=sr_1_1?s=pc&ie=UTF8&qid=1486580111&sr=1-1&keywords=240gb+ssd

Power supply:

no reason to spend more with this build:

https://www.amazon.com/EVGA-Warranty-Power-Supply-100-N1-0400-L1/dp/B00LV8TZAG/ref=sr_1_1?s=pc&ie=UTF8&qid=1486580138&sr=1-1&keywords=400+watt+power+supply

Case:

https://www.amazon.com/Thermaltake-VERSA-Micro-Gaming-Computer/dp/B01CLIZ698/ref=sr_1_5?s=pc&ie=UTF8&qid=1486580162&sr=1-5&keywords=micro+atx+case

total cost of build is roughly:


Mobo ($70)

CPU ($60)

GPU ($170)

RAM ($70)

SSD ($60)

PSU ($30)

Case ($40)

So total is roughly $500 and with this build you have a great upgrade path, which you won't have at all with the one you proposed.

Not the most qualified but i can tell you what i have.

First get a High tower case. Any will do it's a matter of preference unless you're looking for something specific. I'll link you what i have when i get on my pc. edit: NZXT Phantom


I have an Asus Z97-A motherboard, Intel(R) core i5-4690k, 8 gigs of ram, but with your budget I'm sure you could get more, Kingston 60 GB SSD, Hitachi GST Deskstar 7K2000 Hard Drive, AMD Radeon R9 200 series but you could do better, and a Ben-Q gw2255 21.5 widescreen LED monitor with an old Sanyo 26" tv so i can duel-screen which i highly recommend.

Hope this helps

From your other topic for anyone else interested in this kind of project:

PCPartPicker part list / Price breakdown by merchant

Type|Item|Price

----|:----|:----
CPU | AMD A6-6400K 3.9GHz Dual-Core Processor | $49.19 @ Amazon
Motherboard | Gigabyte GA-F2A68HM-H Micro ATX FM2+ Motherboard | $39.99 @ Amazon
Memory | Crucial Ballistix Sport 8GB (1 x 8GB) DDR3-1600 Memory | $27.99 @ Amazon
Case | Rosewill Line-M MicroATX Mini Tower Case | $39.99 @ Amazon
Power Supply | EVGA 430W 80+ Certified ATX Power Supply | $29.85 @ Amazon
| Prices include shipping, taxes, rebates, and discounts |
| Total | ~$186.01
| Generated by PCPartPicker 2016-07-13 18:15 EDT-0400 |
That CPU has about 2.2k passmark score, enough for one 1080 stream (about 2k score per client). The 8gb ram is probably overkill, but it's cheap so why not. About 134 watt consumption if you run headless. Have fun :)

I'd like to mention that you can get a portable PC case and build one. If you have the time to make one, that is.

On top of that, you can play just about any game with a controller through Steam, thanks to gamepad controls being implemented in a vast majority of titles. So no mouse and keyboard if you really need portability/accessibility.

I'm not going to judge you for just going with a console, anyway.

I believe someone made a post on this subreddit using this brand of case, though a different model.

Not forcing this on you, just thought it might be something you'd want to consider. The case they used could fit one of the higher end GTX cards, so it could be pretty powerful.

The top one is https://www.amazon.com/gp/aw/d/B0055EV30W/ref=ppx_yo_mob_b_inactive_ship_o0_img?ie=UTF8&psc=1 housing an AMD Epyc 7281.

Underneath that is my NAS chassis, https://www.amazon.com/gp/aw/d/B00N9CXGSO/ref=ya_aw_oh_bia_dp?ie=UTF8&psc=1.

They've been pretty solid. I replaced the fans with quieter ones. Same goes with my USG. The whole setup has a nice quiet hum 😊

If you're just gaming on the machine, you can probably forego the NVME drive. If you go with a 2.5 in SATA drive of equivalent capacity, you can save around $62 and won't really notice the difference. It might take 1 or 2 seconds more to boot up, and maybe 1 or 2 seconds more to load a game.


https://pcpartpicker.com/product/V3mxFT/a-data-ultimate-su800-512gb-25-solid-state-drive-asu800ss-512gt-c

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You can also find an extremely similar case on Amazon for less, resulting in an additional savings of $31.01:

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https://www.amazon.com/WIN-150W-Mini-ITX-Black-BQ656T-AD150TB3/dp/B01LVV6WVU/ref=pd_sim_147_7?_encoding=UTF8&pd_rd_i=B01LVV6WVU&pd_rd_r=a99412b5-d63e-11e8-966b-f13c46df02e3&pd_rd_w=G7XyH&pd_rd_wg=jsXnv&pf_rd_i=desktop-dp-sims&pf_rd_m=ATVPDKIKX0DER&pf_rd_p=18bb0b78-4200-49b9-ac91-f141d61a1780&pf_rd_r=8CHSR2HYJK9VFQF06TTC&pf_rd_s=desktop-dp-sims&pf_rd_t=40701&psc=1&refRID=8CHSR2HYJK9VFQF06TTC

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I have built a 2400G system in the lower cost case because the Chopin wasn't available at the time ... and I am struggling to find a difference. The only thing I can see is maybe a bit more ventilation on the side and a slightly different aesthetic (if that matters to you).


If you need a full-size GPU, the Fractal Design Node 202 is a good choice. It can fit the stock 2400G cooler just perfectly. I have both the stock 2400G cooler and the same Noctua NH-L9a-AM4 (which I had to use with the small InWin because of space concerns). The Noctua and the stock cooler have very similar performance. The Noctua will be slightly quieter, and may allow you to overclock a bit more. But really not by much.

​

If you have a Microcenter near you, you may also be able to snag a good deal on the CPU and/or RAM.

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Art|Objekt|Preis

----|:----|:----
Prozessor | Intel BX80637E31230V2 Xeon Quad-Core Prozessor (3,3GHz, Sockel 1155, L3 Cache, 69 Watt) | €208.89
Motherboard | Gigabyte GA-Z77X-UD3H Mainboard Sockel 1155 (ATX, Intel Z77, 3x PCI-e 3.0, 4x DDR3, 4x SATA II, 2x SATA III, 8x USB 3.0, DVI, HDMI, DisplayPort | €141.50
Arbeitsspeicher | 2 x Patriot DIMM 8 GB DDR3-1333, Arbeitsspeicher (PSD38G13332, Signature Line) | €97.98
Speicher | Seagate ST1000DM003 1 TB, Festplatte (SATA 600, Barracuda 7200.14) | €56.90
Speicher | Sandisk SSD 2,5" 128 GB (SATA 600) | €75.90
Grafikkarte | MSI GTX770 Twin Frozr, Grafikkarte (DisplayPort, HDMI, 2x DVI, Retail) | €359.95
Gehäuse | NZXT Source 210 Elite Midi-Tower PC-Gehäuse (micro ATX, 3x 5,25 externe, 8x 3,5 interne, USB 3.0) schwarz | €49.90
Netzteil | OCZ Fatal1ty 750W, Netzteil (schwarz/rot, 4x PCIe, Kabel-Management) | €79.90
Laufwerk | LG GH-24NS, DVD-Brenner (Blende in Schwarz, 12-fach DVD-RAM schreiben, Bulk) | €17.79
Betriebssystem | Windows 7 Professional 64-Bit | €29.99
| | Gesamt
| Preise beinhalten nicht Versandkosten. | €1118.61

The CPU is basically an i7 without the integrated graphics. The CPU is not designed for overclocking.
Motherboard has tons of features and supports SLI.
16GB RAM is plenty for the programs you listed.
1TB HDD for media and games.
120GB SSD for OS and main programs.
GTX 770 will max out any game and help in rendering processes.
Quality case with good cable management.
The high quality semi-modular power supply could deliver the power for another GTX 770.
Cheapest optical drive.
I usually recommend WIN8, but there is a good deal on WIN7 in Germany.

Because PCPartPicker sucks for Germany, I picked the items manually on Amazon and Alternate, so you could save some bucks if you do more research. I'm a German and I guess you are one too, so feel free to ask questions (in German).

Alright, here is what I found. If you would please let me know what you think/if it will work/ fit with everything else. :)

Wireless adapter: www.amazon.com/dp/B006WWMZSK/?tag=pcpapi-20

optical drive:http://pcpartpicker.com/part/lg-optical-drive-wh14ns40

Case: http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B005869J4O/ref=ox_sc_act_title_4?ie=UTF8&psc=1&smid=ATVPDKIKX0DER

Thanks so very much for helping me with this. :D

that would be the x51 tower, and its very possible to make an even better one. the reason alienware is frowned upon around here is there terrible internal value distribution (basically when you part out their builds, they charge you a lot for not great parts), and you can make a much better pc on your own.

you're going to want to look into mini-itx form factor pc cases as a start; silverstone makes a very high-quality case that has almost the same dimensions (no pretty lights though). some concerns with building in a mini ITX case, however, would be fitting a good gpu in there (assuming this pc will be used for gaming), buy i believe you could easily fit a 760 in there

The case I meant to link is here:
http://www.amazon.co.uk/Zalman-Z11-Plus-Installation-Anti-Vibration/dp/B007C008L2/ref=zg_bs_430498031_7

I want to make sure I get everything right. The Power Supply you linked will definitely work with my GPU and the rest of the computer? Would the case I linked be suitable? I know it's vain but I don't find the case you linked aesthetically pleasing.

I just want to make sure that everything will fit in the case correctly and then actually power on and work.

Phanteks Enthoo Evolv is popular, especially the Tempered Glass versions and that case comes in white, grey and black. These run from around $160 - 210 depending on which model and color)

There's also the Phanteks Enthoo Pro full tower case, do note that full towers are larger than ATX mid-towers. The Enthoo Pro comes with many rubber grommets and a PSU shroud and it's $99.


If you're trying to save a few bucks I think the NZXT S340 at $67 is a good choice as it's aesthetically pleasing with it's simple design, but it lacks rubber grommets and instead has a shroud that covers the cables, this case also has a PSU shroud with 2.5" drive (SSD) mounts.

If you want rubber grommets and a PSU shroud the Corsair Carbide Clear 400C would be a solid choice at $98.

I currently have the Corsair Obsidian Series 750D which I consider a good case but for the money there are better cases. Though it lacks a PSU shroud which may be a deal breaker for some. I'm actually using a semi-modular PSU as well, a holdover from my old Ivy Bridge build that I upgraded from (I have a PSU on the way) and the mess really shows on my case despite my best efforts to deal with it. http://i.imgur.com/3TiUAsG.jpg


For PSUs I have the EVGA SuperNOVA 850 P2 ordered, and I'll probably sleeve or buy some cables for it whenever I find the time to bother with it. The one I ordered is a bit expensive since it's 80+ Platinum rated. They have a 80+ Gold rated 750W unit which is $90 (the 650w one is $10 cheaper) EVGA, BitFenix and possibly others sell premade sleeved cable kits for ~$80 if you really want to keep it organized.

Corsair has a large lineup of power supplies of varying wattage, and Corsair sells sleeved cable kits for their fully modular power supplies as well. Corsair sells so many models I don't even know where to start they have their RM/RMi/RMx series, the AX/AXi, HX, SF so I'd check reviews to see if they meet your needs.

The Corsair and EVGA PSUs tend to be competitively priced so it's mostly down to which one is on sale (if any) and reviews.

The Seasonic M12II 620 BRONZE is a 620 watt, 80+ Bronze rated, fully modular power supply with a pair of 24 amp rails for $70. They also sell a 750W version that is $90 but you're better off going for an 80+ Gold PSU for a few dollars more since you'll end up making that money back via it's electricity savings.

If you have a lot of fans make sure to get a PMW splitter/hub otherwise you'll have some half dozen cables all over the palace plugged in to your motherboard, and my advice is to group cables together, either with twist ties or velcro cable ties (IMHO zip ties are too much of a PITA to undo). Route cable to the back, group them and tie them down. A PSU shroud allows you to be a bit lazy since it's a nice cubby-hole to hide your mess.

The NZXT Source 340 is popular (also found in white).

Also the more expensive Fractal Design Define R5 (also found in Titanium Grey and white).

Many enjoy the cheaper NZXT Source 210 (also found in white) and the bit more expensive NZXT Source 210 Elite (also found in white).

And of course NZXT H440 (also found in other colors and the Razer edition).

Also Corsair have made some nice cases. Especially their Obsidian series.

In the end it depends on your budget and I have just linked some of the most popular which should be for every budget!

Yes! It is the LEDs from Amazon, HERE!
They change colors and fade in and out, all rainbow colors. Or you can set it to just a solid color. And they are awesome because they click in magnetic, not glue or something. So it's easy to get them in the right spot and not mess up. And it comes with a little remote to control it with.

Sweden? It's a $40 USD case my friend. If you want to pay the shipping, you're welcome to it but it's probably not worth it.

Its also a micro ATX. I was going small and stealthy.

Thermaltake Versa H15 SPCC Micro ATX Mini Tower Computer Chassis CA-1D4-00S1NN-00 https://www.amazon.com/dp/B01CLIZ698/ref=cm_sw_r_cp_apa_i_TO0CCbP0P3Q51

Edit: looks like you'd save something like $4.00 US if all you pay is shipping... So PM me if you want.

Something like this, or this if you like cube cases. Case choice is definitely personal choice though, so whatever looks good and has good reviews

case comes with 1 120mm RGB fan, but is only available in black.


one easy way to add RGB is a [RGB strip] (https://www.amazon.com/Tingkam-RGB-Attached-Controller-Generation/dp/B01HXPPUR2/ref=sr_1_4?crid=CKXYITWCVZY5&keywords=pc+rgb+strip&qid=1567206275&s=pc&sprefix=pc+rgb%2Celectronics%2C879&sr=1-4), or [RGB fans] (https://www.amazon.com/upHere-Wireless-Airflow-Adjustable-Radiators/dp/B07DHM6SW9/ref=olp_product_details?_encoding=UTF8&me=)


So for a white case, here is one option


[Thermaltake H200 TG RGB Snow ATX Mid-Tower Computer Case with Tempered Glass - White 84.99] (https://www.microcenter.com/product/608382/h200-tg-rgb-snow-atx-mid-tower-computer-case-with-tempered-glass---white)


or


[Corsair Carbide 275R Tempered Glass ATX Mid-Tower Computer Case - White $96.99] (https://www.microcenter.com/product/505499/carbide-275r-tempered-glass-atx-mid-tower-computer-case---white)


or


[NZXT H500 Tempered Glass ATX Mid-Tower Computer Case - White/Black $99.99] (https://www.microcenter.com/product/508397/h500-tempered-glass-atx-mid-tower-computer-case---white-black)


I could also make some other recommendations for a white case if you want to order from Best Buy online from another retailer.

Oh yeah, for sure. I'll probably just get a small SSD and use the 1TB drive for storage. We'll see, I'm going to wait a bit longer before I start buying the parts.

I'm also going to see if I can put together a decent build with this case: https://www.amazon.com/Fractal-Design-FD-CA-NODE-202-BK-Case/dp/B015MKDOPU. Looks pretty sweet haha.

Okay thanks for the help, found this one and it seems to have pretty good reviews.http://www.amazon.co.uk/gp/aw/d/B007C008L2/ref=mp_s_a_1_2?qid=1382383809&sr=8-2&pi=AC_SX110_SY165 (Apologies for the long link I'm on my phone now)

:D you wont need the network card is all I wanted to say.

Itx is the smallest form factor of the case that you can still build a good PC inside of. Think of it as your on steam box style rig. Something like this http://www.amazon.com/SilverStone-Technology-Mini-ITX-Computer-RVZ02B/dp/B0161UXX9W/ref=sr_1_4?s=pc&ie=UTF8&qid=1464997222&sr=1-4&keywords=mini+itx+case.

however I read you wanted to do SLI down the line ?
that wouldn't be possible in an ITX case.

This is just personal opinion, but in my view 144Hz Monitors don`t offer much to the average gamer and are a lot more expensive. unless you are a top level counter-strike player and feel actively hindered by latency I wouldn't recommend it

Oh and like OP said you will want an SSD ;)

The only way I know to do an external GPU is through a thunderbolt 3 connector which I have not yet seen built in to a desktop motherboard. You would need something like this to get the thunderbolt 3 port and then something like this to plug into it. I assume you have a full ATX motherboard and not a micro ATX. A case like this one would probably be a good option and keep your GPU internal. Cases that size always have some restrictions though like GPU height and CPU cooler height.

https://www.amazon.de/gp/product/B01LY65EVG/ref=ox_sc_act_title_1?smid=AKNP96FBWTD0Y&psc=1 Hard drive
https://www.amazon.de/gp/product/B0764WCXCV/ref=ox_sc_act_title_2?smid=A3JWKAKR8XB7XF&psc=1 ssd
https://www.amazon.de/gp/product/B078MVFXFL/ref=ox_sc_act_title_3?smid=A3JWKAKR8XB7XF&psc=1 The gpu
https://www.amazon.de/gp/product/B06X9LN311/ref=ox_sc_act_title_4?smid=A3NOUUHLVV3QXQ&psc=1 Mobo
https://www.amazon.de/gp/product/B019NWRUXK/ref=ox_sc_act_title_5?smid=A3JWKAKR8XB7XF&psc=1 Psu
https://www.amazon.de/gp/product/B01N5TJ5AH/ref=ox_sc_act_title_6?smid=A3JWKAKR8XB7XF&psc=1 ram
https://www.amazon.de/gp/product/B075DMYVBV/ref=ox_sc_act_title_7?smid=A3JWKAKR8XB7XF&psc=1 case
https://www.amazon.de/gp/product/B00GGQFO5I/ref=ox_sc_act_title_8?smid=A3JWKAKR8XB7XF&psc=1 60hz monitor
https://www.amazon.de/gp/product/B074PXZMDX/ref=ox_sc_act_title_9?smid=A3JWKAKR8XB7XF&psc=1 144hz monitor
https://www.amazon.de/gp/product/B06XNRQHG4/ref=ox_sc_act_title_10?smid=ATJ8UQLEY2ARZ&psc=1 processor
You can order all these parts for free to Finland from amazon.de, should take 2 weeks. Ryzen is good for streaming and the second gen ryzen is too expensive for the 2% performance increase. 16gb of ram should be enough and the gpu has enough juice to stream most games at 1080p 60fps. Also i found a pretty cheap 27 inch 144hz screen. Ole hyvä.

Ah, you want small but not to small.. Silverstone has slim towers I like but if you want a cube with full at power supply support cooler master has a good one


Cooler Master Elite 110 Mini-ITX Computer Case (RC-110-KKN2) https://www.amazon.com/dp/B00ID2FBU6/ref=cm_sw_r_cp_apa_OBdRzbT4WD0FE

Absolutely! I'm open-minded on it. But money is a bit tight for me which is why I'm leaning towards turning it down.

https://www.amazon.com/dp/B01CLIZ698/?tag=pcpapi-20
You're positive this case will fit the build? I'm not sure about specifications or anything like that & I'm not sure how to test compatibility either rofl.

Wow, thanks for the case suggestions! I like both the Cooler Master as well as the SilverStone RAVEN. Can you give me a build suggestion for those? I guess the build will be more or less the same for the SilverStoneRAVEN (it is a little cheaper here ) with a drawback on one of the components?

How much are you looking to spend, and how custom do you want it to be? For example, I put this $20 kit in my box. It is just 2 strips of LED lights, and you can set specific colors or let it cycle through a bunch of colors but not much customization after that. It does look pretty cool though: https://gfycat.com/PreciousPlasticArrowworm

If you want something more customizable that you can set specific LEDs to specific colors or do other lighting effects you might need to spend more cash on something like the NZXT Hue+

SilverStone Case

Hey guys, I just found this mini ITX CASE and it looks sexy imo. It's going to be my first time building a pc and I want it as small as possible since my apartment is only small until I move to a different place.

Will that fit the GPU I'm planning to buy? (r9 380 or r9 380x). Does anyone have this case? (Pics please :D )

And any tips on building with this one

EDIT: I also have the optical drive from my laptop taken out so I guess that's the slim one that would fit this case?

The Bitfenix Prodigy is an old but reliable case that's very small. If you want something newer and more slick, I'd get the Phanteks Enthoo Evolv ITX. It's an easy case build in for an ITX and it looks great. This is the smallest case I've ever seen. It doesn't accommodate a GPU though.

Any normal mid-tower case will work. Some mini-tower cases will work too like the Corsair Carbide 88r, but this means that you will be stuck with microATX motherboards for future builds (unless you want to buy another case).

The things I look for in a case:

1. Front fan mounts (how many can you fit, what size). Intakes are more important than exhaust.
   
2. Cable management (holes and PSU shroud).
   
3. HDD cage location.
   
   Having a gap in front of the HDD cage will let you fit a fan in front to keep your drives cool. The S340 and the Lepa both have a PSU shroud, so you can hide excess cables there.

Any particular reason it needs to be a Black series? I have the one I linked to you, and it performs excellently, and has pretty good reviews, is almost $50 cheaper, and is 1TB larger (which you will need for raw video files). Plus, your SSD should provide all the speed you need.

And no, I had the full sized tower. (http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B004WO17UC/ref=oh_aui_detailpage_o04_s00?ie=UTF8&psc=1) It's nearly identical, but bigger. My processor idled at 50 using that tower, and when I switched it idled closer to 45 when I switched to a Corsair Air 540 mid case

I'd recommend switching your hard drive, and using the money you saved to buy the 540.

A case like this one is typically as small as you can go if you have a full size ATX motherboard. It effectively has vents on all sides also so as long as the parts themselves have good cooling, airflow shouldn't be an issue.

Definitely check your CPU cooler and GPU fits in whatever you buy though. Although many cases support ATX motherboards, many smaller ones will still have limited space so if you have a giant CPU cooler or a beefy GPU cooler you may run into clearance issues

I have this I have seen people get the white one, put a cool paint job on it and get the black cover because it is a grill. Then put some led fans and some led stips underneath (looks like neon on a car) and it looks really cool.

Plus it is a great case!

Just looking for some feedback regarding my build so far.

PCPartPicker part list / Price breakdown by merchant

Type|Item|Price

----|:----|:----
CPU | Intel Core i5-4690K 3.5GHz Quad-Core Processor | $400.00
Motherboard | MSI Z97S SLI Krait Edition ATX LGA1150 Motherboard | $0.00
Memory | A-Data XPG V1.0 8GB (1 x 8GB) DDR3-1600 Memory | $0.00
Storage | Seagate Barracuda 1TB 3.5" 7200RPM Internal Hard Drive | $62.98 @ DirectCanada
Video Card | MSI Radeon R9 380 4GB Video Card | $259.98 @ NCIX
Power Supply | EVGA SuperNOVA P2 650W 80+ Platinum Certified Fully-Modular ATX Power Supply | $99.99 @ NCIX
| Prices include shipping, taxes, rebates, and discounts |
| Total (before mail-in rebates) | $842.95
| Mail-in rebates | -$20.00
| Total | $822.95
| Generated by PCPartPicker 2016-03-14 22:14 EDT-0400 |

Provide any additional details you wish below.

As for the CPU,mobo,ram,GPU , I've already purchased all of them. CPU,mobo,ram I got as bundle for around $400 with tax from TD, and gpu I just recently purchased and arrived.

I'm just looking to build a computer that's best for my bucks , because of my savings , I don't really have budget but I'm just a college kid that would like to minimize my spending as much as possible.

As for the Case , I couldn't find it on pcpartpicker , so I will leave it either comment or on this post.

https://www.amazon.ca/Corsair-Carbide-Series-Mid-Tower-USB3-0X1/dp/B01550Y9GA?ie=UTF8&tag=pcp0f-20

Edit: Also , would I need a cooler for this build? If so , any recommendation would be appreciated.

The purpose of this post is that , I'm looking to get some feedback or any adjustment I could make to make the build cheaper. The reason I haven't considered SSD is because I don't really feel the need to pay $50~$80 for convenience and will decide if I should need an SSD after I finish the build and find how I feel about boot speed.

Looking for a rough estimate of the system as a whole and parted.

MSI H81M-P33 motherboard
i5-4690k
Cooler Master Hyper 212 EVO HSF
Crucial Ballistix Sport 16GB DDR3 (PC3-12800)
Asus GTX970 (mini)
Samsung 850 EVO 250GB SSD
Cooler Master HAF XB II EVO ATX Case
EVGA 500B PSU
Windows 10 Home

I think the case makes parting the system out a better bet. I love this thing and think it's damn cool, but it's certainly a departure from the usual box. Thanks for your time!

Nice!!! My case is almost the same thing actually, it looks like! It's definitely made me into a Corsair fan!

>which case to use. I was looking at some Mini-ATX cases, and this Corsair case seems to be very highly regarded

That case is decent, yeah, but it's about 3x the size of some cases. If you can spend a lot, i'd recommedn the NFC S4 Mini, though with this pretty much the best GPU you can possibly get in there is the R9 Nano, and it requires a funky power supply setup, a DC-DC power supply with an external powerbrick.

If that's not an option, take a look at the Silverstone SG13B, it's really small but can take practically any standard hardware, within mITX limits, and it's a third of the price.

The Fractal Node 202 could be an option too, but you'd require a SFX power supply.

>which MB to go with since I assume mine is too big

Any regular mITX board should be fine. This would be a good option for example: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16813128720

>whether I'll need a smaller power supply

Depends on the case

>whether I should upgrade my CPU/RAM lest I bottleneck the 1080

No need.

This is a cool looking ITX Case:

http://www.amazon.ca/Silverstone-Tek-Mini-ITX-Computer-RVZ01B/dp/B00I3EKXDE

Also, I would be careful with that power supply choice. It seems a little small for what you need. You'll need around at least 200w to be safe.


edit: this power supply would work better http://www.mini-box.com/M4-ATX?sc=8&category=981

Using this calculator to help me find out minimum requirements, it says around 196 w minimum. http://www.extreme.outervision.com/PSUEngine

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In my build, I'm using the MSI z87-G43 Motherboard which states it has 3 x 4-pin system fan connecters. I am getting the NZXT Phantom 410 ATX Full Case which includes 4 case fans. However, it does not have a front fan, which I feel is a good fan to have, so I was going to buy an additional fan. But will my motherboard be able to handle 4 or 5 fans? If not, how can I circumvent this problem? Thanks in advance! I've googled it a bit, and some people recommend using direct power supply adapters and some people recommend using splitters; however, it seemed for every person that said "use this one" another person said "no, that's bad. Use this one."

You may need 16 gbs of ram when the build gets older and processes start to build up / when you stream any given game. The WD SSD you have is kinda expensive - you can find 240 Gb kingston SSDs on Ebay for ~$60-70 when they hit a sale (happens semi-often, check /r/buildapcsales daily). 1050Ti is great for budget builds - check around and price match and for upcoming GPU deals. Don't forget the case and PSU. You should be able to run off This PSU and put it all in a case Like this one or similar

You could also try switching down to the Ryzen 5 1400, or waiting for the Ryzen 3.

With the same features? No. That board gives you room to crossfire in the future if you want and is a pretty good overclocker. It also has four full RAM slots while being AM3+. That is probably the cheapest board you will find with those features.

The GPU I suggested is far better than the 6790. Look at a review to get an idea. As for the second card, it's only $2.44 cheaper. I'd buy a Sapphire card over PowerColor, if just for the brand name, for such a marginal difference.

If you grab the suggestions I made, that brings you to $525 after MIR, not too terribly over. If you want to cut your budget somewhere, I wouldn't cut it in the mobo and the GPU department. Cut it in the RAM department and drop to 4GB and cut it in the case department and get a cheaper, but good case like the Source 210, Source 210 Elite in black, or Source 210 Elite in white.

https://www.amazon.com/Cooler-Master-Mini-ITX-Computer-RC-110-KKN2/dp/B00ID2FBU6

Maybe a 10SDV-4C-TLN2F
etc,
something like this:
https://blog.brianmoses.net/2017/03/diy-nas-2017-edition.html

... this is more expensive than bare minimums, and second-hand you can likely get some good kit too.

Very powerful stuff though if it'll suit you.

There's versions of the x10sdv that'll take ludicrous numbers of drives at the cost of being flexatx not microatx... but if you only have 4 drives the above should be enough.

You'll want a fan - the expensive noctua is popular.

Great SFF build.

If for some reason you ever decide to go even smaller there's a few options out there that support full size GPU's aside from this one. I can speak for the quality of the Node 202 and the Zaber Sentry as I have both of those and I've heard nothing but good things from friends who have gotten the DAN Case A4. I've also seen people fit reference cards into the S4 Mini but I wouldn't really buy one intending to do that.

Though I imagine with the size you are working with now you can likely get some kind of AIO water cooling going. The cases I mentioned you theoretically could get an AIO in but not without going with a half size card in most cases.

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The Raven Mini ITX case is a dual chamber beast, like the Fractal Node 202. One side houses the CPU and Mobo, the other side house any standard size GPU. Preferably you should be using a Reference cooler to exhaust air out of the back for this case, but we've seen no critical heat issues (or noise problems) using MSI's Twin Frozr based GPU's. If I didn't need massive storage options due to work I'd absolutely build myself something in a smaller form factor like her pc. It's pretty great.

Silverstove RVZ02 that she has, mated with a Corsair 600w SFX Power Supply. The cpu is a 4gig i7 with a Scythe CPU cooler.

I'm very pleased with them. They were under $20 and include two strips that mount magnetically inside the tower. They connect to the PSU via molex connector. There is some adhesive on the small power brick for the strips, but I didn't need to mount this. Instead, I hid the small power brick inside an unused drive bay and have the tiny receiver slightly exposed through a small gap in the bay so that the remote control has a clear path for changing the color, brightness, and lighting mode. Here's an Amazon link.

I was thinking about getting a better CPU than the one listed, its the Intel i5 6600k, would it be better than the one you've listed?

Ok so I've looked online and got these parts, can you check if they are okay?

CPU
Motherboard
Memory
Storage
Video Card
Case
Power Supply

By liquid cooling do you mean custom loop liquid cooling or All in one liquid coolers like the NZXT Kraken X62?

Also what are your needs for the case? Do you need optical drives for things like a Blu-ray player? Does it need to be small and compact like an ITX case or do you want a full size case where you put more stuff in it? Do you want it to have a transparent side panel where you can see all your stuff or you don't care? RGB? Also what's your budget like?

Here some examples of cases that I like alot personally but they might not fit your needs.

[NZXT S340 Elite ](NZXT S340VR Elite Computer Case , Matte Black https://www.amazon.com/dp/B01LZQMXJT/ref=cm_sw_r_cp_apa_qmJFzb5RWHCSY)

[Phanteks Enthoo Evolve ATX TG](Phanteks Enthoo Evolv ATX Computer Case - Tempered Glass Edition, Satin Black PH-ES515ETG_BK https://www.amazon.com/dp/B01F0KWL6A/ref=cm_sw_r_cp_apa_t7IFzbZ12RAYA)

[Fractal Design R5](Fractal Design Define R5 Gaming Case with Window Cases FDCADEFR5BKW https://www.amazon.com/dp/B00Q2Z143Y/ref=cm_sw_r_cp_apa_KbJFzb48BGDAH)

[Corsair 400C ](Corsair Carbide Clear 400C Compact Mid-Tower Case https://www.amazon.com/dp/B017XPP9KK/ref=cm_sw_r_cp_apa_heJFzbRWY5MMS)

[Corsair 570x ](Corsair Crystal Series 570X RGB - Tempered Glass, Premium ATX Mid-Tower Case Cases CC-9011098-WW https://www.amazon.com/dp/B01LE0ZKR2/ref=cm_sw_r_cp_apa_rgJFzbX4SJG4V)

[Be Quiet Dark Base 900](be quiet! BGW11 DARK BASE PRO 900 ATX Full Tower Computer Chassis - Black https://www.amazon.com/dp/B01H6JO9L8/ref=cm_sw_r_cp_apa_WhJFzbAHES9X5)

I've always wanted to get this for a really compact system with support for a full ATX board. Haven't gotten it yet but it seems to have really good reviews. Probably one of the smallest cases you will find with support for a full size ATX board.

Right, those seem to be like the old cases from quite a while back when you would put the monitor over the case. They are like horizontal computer cases.

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Here are a few I could find after a quick search, doesn't seem to be nearly as many cool ones as a vertical case.

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Cooler Master MasterBox

Thermaltake Core P5

Silvertone Grandia

Cooler Master LAN Box

Antec Blazer GT - Doesn't seem like this is out yet

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Edit: Though I am thinking you could buy any nice looking tower and put it on its side. Just put some rubber feet on the side of the case and set it down.

Looks fine to me, I love that monitor. Keep in mind that you wont be able to Crossfire with a miniatx.
also, check out this case instead, I've seen better reviews and it's cheaper. http://www.amazon.com/gp/offer-listing/B008RJQ0LE/ref=dp_olp_new?ie=UTF8&condition=new (60$ if on Amazon Prime)

Edit: formatting

Maybe take the GPU out of the other pc and put it in the new one for college. You can save a few hundred bucks and put the money toward other components. Another thing I would do is get an mitx case because they are smaller and easier to transport. Then again, you could just take your other pc - I wouldn't worry about theft as long as you keep it in your dorm. Maybe get a case with a handle on top and use a bike lock to chain it to your desk for extra insurance. It's a little ghetto but it would probably work just fine.

EDIT: here's a nice case with handles

They don't sell the budget CPU you recommended, at least not at any merchant I recognise, in the UK. But when I went onto it on Amazon, it suggested the Corsair CP-9020101-UK. Would that work? And is there anything I should be looking for besides the watts?

My friend recommended the Zalman Z11, but I'm really just looking for a case that functions. Not bothered about lights or windows, so just a casual case would suit me.

And thanks for this!

I feel your pain about Supermicro's EEATX standard. I misread it as EATX and purchased a used X9DR3-LN4F+ and stuffed in dual Intel Xeon E5-2670s with 192GB Samsung ECC PC3-12800R and then went to drop it into my Rosewill RSV-L4412 case...and...it extends into where the PSU goes. Crap.

I purchased some nylon risers to keep the top edge of the board from leaning too much, but it's not going anywhere and then I decided to order SFX-L SilverStone 700W PSU and it fits RIGHT in between the motherboard and the top of the case. I need to create a bracket for it, but it fits nicely above the board and will supply enough power for everything. Just gotta wait for the wires & connectors so I can make some custom cables, but this has been a sweet setup so far.

Picture (with SFX psu standing in/doing nothing): http://i.imgur.com/0NUvo64.jpg

Another picture: http://i.imgur.com/7Rpwg7V.jpg

This is the set I have in my tower: https://www.amazon.com/Tingkam-RGB-Attached-Controller-Generation/dp/B01HXPPUR2/ref=sr_1_3?ie=UTF8&qid=1487096744&sr=8-3&keywords=computer+led+strip

They look awesome and work perfectly.

A bit of a limiting budget as I'm sure you know-- if you're streaming with his set up you are probably going to see a bit of a performance hit. Windows is currently $115 on the Microsoft Online Store, so that leaves us with $585 for the case and components. I'd suggest this Rosewill case since it has built in fans and USB 3.0, but with cases, so long as it's the same size as your motherboard and fits your graphics card, it's really up to you.

For the actual build, I suggest [a i3-6100 / GTX 950 combination] (https://www.theaipc.com/result/c1467560648540). The GTX 950 should give you reasonably good gaming performance (albeit not astounding), while the i3-6100 is an absolute beast on single core performance (I understand streaming is mostly single core). This will also give you plenty of storage, and an efficient build in terms of power consumption.

Many of those components are available from amazon as well, although at a slightly higher cost. Amazon returns are great though.

Here is case from Amazon: http://www.amazon.co.uk/Zalman-Z11-Plus-Installation-Anti-Vibration/dp/B007C008L2/ref=sr_1_1?s=computers&ie=UTF8&qid=1369160517&sr=1-1&keywords=case

From personal experience, it's true pain that I might recommend again. Maybe. I bought this last summer because it was $35 for some reason:

https://www.amazon.ca/gp/product/B00ID2FBU6/ref=oh_aui_search_asin_title?ie=UTF8&psc=1

Here it is all put together:

https://i.imgur.com/dOuiEgn.jpg
https://i.imgur.com/e9w4iIi.jpg

There is nowhere to route cables. There are no dust filters. It is, at best, mildly pretty. There is about 3mm of clearance between the CPU cooler tubes and the front fan/rad because I chose to buy the longest PSU ever created which is my own fault. I did not realize that while a full size PSU will fit, I should have bought one that was shorter. There are various models I found AFTER that were a full 1-1.5" shorter which would have given me a whole more room to work with.

In the end it runs games and Netflix in the living room so mission accomplished.

So if you are wanting to keep your old PC we can assume a few things... Correct me if I'm wrong, but I'm assuming you have an ATX motherboard?

Assuming that's the case, we need to find you a smaller case.

The smallest ATX cases that I know are these two:

1. The Cerberus X case (I'd recommend this one)
   
   
2. Riotoro CR1080 (https://www.amazon.com/RIOTORO-Gaming-Compartment-Support-Dedicated/dp/B01D205IXS)
   
   Your next quest was about a DC power supply, those exist but not in the form factor you are used to.
   
   I'd look into something like the HD Plex (https://www.hdplex.com/hdplex-400w-hi-fi-dc-atx-power-supply-16v-24v-wide-range-voltage-input.html)
   
   Other DC to DC power supplies exist but not many at the wattage you will be needing. I hope that gets you started on your downsizing adventure.
   
   Personally if you asked me I'd say just keep the videocard and downsize to a mini-itx motherboard but I doubt you can get one for your CPU so you'd probably have to upgrade, motherboard, cpu, and ram.

Here is a pretty solid high airflow micro ATX case. I have it and it works great for the price.

Like your build list! Here is a couple of cases:

• http://www.amazon.co.uk/NZXT-GUARDIAN-921-Crafted-Series/dp/B004351H9G
  
• http://www.amazon.co.uk/Zalman-Z9-Plus-Midi-Tower/dp/B004FPQL0E
  
• http://skinflint.co.uk/thermaltake-chaser-a31-thunder-edition-with-side-panel-window-vp300a5w2n-a902949.html
  
• http://www.amazon.co.uk/Zalman-Z11-Plus-Installation-Anti-Vibration/dp/B007C008L2
  
  
  Consider buying the i5-4670 with out the "K", that version is only needed when you want to overclock. Also consider getting a better power supply, e.g. http://uk.pcpartpicker.com/part/evga-power-supply-120pg0750gr which is better rated and has enough Watts for another GTX 780 for SLI if you wanted to at some later point in time.

Okay good, one less thing to worry about lol. Yes everything is from Amazon Canada. And what do you think of this?
https://www.amazon.ca/Thermaltake-Versa-Gaming-Computer-CA-1D4-00S1NN-00/dp/B01CLIZ698/ref=sr_1_2?ie=UTF8&qid=1493847322&sr=8-2&keywords=thermaltake+case

eligible for Amazon Prime

or sign up for a free trial of Newegg Premier for free 2 day shipping

The Cooler Master Elite 110 at just 15.14 litres, can fit 3x 3.5" HDDs/4x 2.5" SSDs
(HDD x3) or (HDD x2 + SSD x2) or (HDD x1 + SSD x3) or (SSD x4)

It can also house a 140mm AIO solution. Perfect for building a quiet HTPC.

Pretty much any decent case will do that - I have this one and love it: https://www.amazon.com/Phanteks-Eclipse-Steel-Tower-Tempered/dp/B075DMYVBV/ref=sr_1_1?keywords=Phanteks&qid=1555092348&s=home-garden&sr=1-1-catcorr

For the case I would recommend a NZXT S340 or a Inwin 303. It would make a great case for a white/black build. As for lighting there is this https://www.amazon.com/Tingkam-RGB-Attached-Controller-Generation/dp/B01HXPPUR2/ref=sr_1_13?ie=UTF8&qid=1502491808&sr=8-13&keywords=rgb+led+strip+for+pc

or if you need a longer one they have those on amazon.

Perfect! Check out this guy. It' sthe Thermaltake Versa 15. Really good case for $40. otherwise here's a list of everything that fits your requirements.

Since you said he would like a smaller case this is what i recommend for a case is this: https://www.amazon.com/Thermaltake-VERSA-Micro-Gaming-Computer/dp/B01CLIZ698 or if he wants a window and is willing to spend more i recommend this: https://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16811352065 and for mobo: https://www.amazon.com/Gigabyte-1150-HDMI-Motherboards-GA-B85M-DS3H/dp/B00VX1GGWQ/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1488086026&sr=8-1&keywords=Gigabyte+B85M-DS3H-A+LGA1150+Motherboard

I think i will buy the msi bcs is the cheaper one between the strix and gaming x.
Man can you help me with something bcs now i think i will go to sleep it's like 3:00 AM, i will give you the details from my case, can you find me some good fans ?
https://www.amazon.co.uk/ZALMAN-Z11-Plus-Tower-Computer/dp/B007C008L2

Just a NZXT brag moment: I helped a few friends build some gaming PCs around Christmas. One used the NZXT Phantom White; the other wanted to be different, and got a NZXT Hades.

Eventually, we start to assemble the Hades system, and it turns out the main front door has two busted hinges. The retailer was sold out (Hades is an older, maybe-discontinued, model), so I called NZXT.

I was a little unsure that we could resolve anything without using superglue, but the NZXT guy set me up with a new door panel within a week, free of charge.

the phantom nzxt Looks pretty cool to me, I've had my eye on it for a while. It's pricy though. Although the style is probably love it or hate it, or think it is okay.

I mistakenly put an affiliate link in a previous comment, sorry.

I personally love the Corsair 400C though it is ever so slightly out of budget. Check it out though.

I think the best case for your budget would be the S340 from NZXT. Check out Hardware Canucks' review.

Ok, well if no Ultrawide, then your build looks awesome. I wouldn't change anything.

WAIT WAIT WAIT, you forgot something! [RGB LED STRIPS!] (https://www.amazon.com/Tingkam-RGB-Attached-Controller-Generation/dp/B01HXPPUR2/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1479149213&sr=8-1&keywords=tingkam+full+kit)

Looks alright. Also on reddit its double enter to get a new line.

Graphics Card: EVGA GeForce GTX 1060 6GB


Processor: Intel i5 6500


Motherboard: Gigabyte LGA1151 Intel H110 Micro ATX DDR4
Power Supply: EVGA 500 W1, 80+ WHITE 500W Power Supply


RAM: Ballistix 8GB Single DDR4 288 Pin


Hard Disk Drive: WD Blue 1TB SATA 6Gb/s


Optical Drive: LG Super Multi Optical Drives


Case: Thermaltake H15 Micro ATX tower


Monitor: Dell VESA Mountable 23" LED


Mouse: Logitech MX ANYWHERE 2


Keyboard: Logitech Wireless Keyboard K360


Edit: Formating and Links for more information!

For the case, consider this: https://www.amazon.com/SilverStone-Technology-Mini-ITX-Computer-RVZ02B/dp/B0161UXX9W/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1465995642&sr=8-1&keywords=raven+rvz02

plus this:

http://pcpartpicker.com/product/rB3RsY/silverstone-power-supply-st45sf

The price is the same, but you know what psu you are buying and you know it's a quality one. The case is also really good and more or less same dimensions as yours.

Also, the offering from superbiiz of the node 202 is out of stock.

Moreover wait for the polaris 11 amd cards which will be launching next month, the 950 is going to be pretty much obsolete in a couple of months.

And as manojk92, don't buy that ssd. Ever.

I carry the PC in the ACER Predator case (have to modify the foam, check the size of your case to make sure it will fit in the case, this PC case is the maximum size that will fit )

Should I buy this AIO, or should I buy this one? AFAIK bigger is always better on radiators? And I don't mind spending the extra 10 bucks if that's true. this is my case.

So this is what I have so far:

PCPartPicker part list / Price breakdown by merchant

Type|Item|Price

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CPU | Intel Core i5-4440 3.1GHz Quad-Core Processor | $169.99 @ Newegg
Motherboard | Gigabyte GA-B85N PHOENIX-WIFI Mini ITX LGA1150 Motherboard | $98.49 @ Amazon
Memory | G.Skill Sniper 8GB (2 x 4GB) DDR3-1600 Memory | $64.99 @ Newegg
Storage | PNY XLR8 120GB 2.5" Solid State Drive | $59.99 @ Amazon
Storage | Western Digital Caviar Blue 1TB 3.5" 7200RPM Internal Hard Drive | $49.99 @ Amazon
Video Card | MSI Radeon R9 270X 2GB TWIN FROZR Video Card | $139.99 @ Newegg
Power Supply | EVGA 430W 80+ Certified ATX Power Supply | $15.99 @ Newegg
Other| SilverStone RAVEN| $84.99
| | Total
| Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available | $671.42
| Generated by PCPartPicker 2014-11-26 15:53 EST-0500 |

Notes:

Managed to squeeze in a i5 ;) - possible to get a better i5 that is overclockable if wanted.
Has onboard WiFi, you didn't specify that you'll need that but I assumed that you could use it as you move about.(saved cables right :P)
The CPU and RAM are on offer as a set $15 off, partially why its recommended.
430W Power Supply would be fine if someone is looking at this as is questioning it :P
Added a HDD, you didn't specify you wanted one, only an SSD but you have on of those too, HDD for mass storage if you don't own one already.
Got an overclocked GPU for you as it was cheaper with the rebate that the non-overclocked.
Was going to add you a slim slot-loading DVD drive but they're $45+ and I don't know if you actually need one.
PSU / GPU are discounted with a rebate from Newegg.

Yeah I was looking at something like this too, but partpicker was yelling at me about expansion slot compatibility issues. But if I didn't need a wifi adapter I guess that would solve that issue maybe, could certainly be a plan.
https://www.amazon.com/Cooler-Master-Mini-ITX-Computer-RC-110-KKN2/dp/B00ID2FBU6/ref=sr_1_2?s=electronics&ie=UTF8&qid=1491680112&sr=1-2&keywords=mini+itx+case

The one that I got was $40, http://www.amazon.com/Cooler-Master-eXtreme-ATX12V-Active/dp/B001G0WPLK/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1314575236&sr=8-1 but yeah I'm not too sure about Aus prices. And nevermind what I said, I do have one slight problem with my PSU, it locks up when I try to wake up from sleep mode.

Maybe you should get a cheap case and a good PSU (Corsair or something)? Like this:
http://www.amazon.com/GAMMA-Classic-Interior-Chassis-Black/dp/B002UDK9U6/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1314575468&sr=8-1

http://www.amazon.com/Corsair-500-Watt-Certified-Compatible-Platforms/dp/B004W2T2U6/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1314575415&sr=8-1

A PSU is something you don't want to skimp out on (not necessarily on pure wattage, but on quality).

Yeah man, sorry I haven't replied! I've had a few hectic days :). Those cases look awesome, tempted by this one though: http://www.amazon.co.uk/Zalman-Z11-Plus-Installation-Anti-Vibration/dp/B007C008L2/ref=pd_cp_computers_3
Would that work? Also Gold is on it's way to you, you've definately deserved it!

I'm building an Oculus Rift machine w enough high end hardware to choke Gordon Freeman. I don't know if I could get high end CPU/Graphics and cooling into a mini or micro. I did find Cooler Master HAF XB II EVO but there are reviews that are 5 years old so I don't know if case tech has left it in the dust. Not much real info on case tech besides air flow and cable management and this box seems to have that working pretty well.

I just purchased parts for a similar system. For my case, I bought this NZXT Gamma from Amazon for 40 with free shipping. It had some features like space, ventilation, and even a black painted interior that some other cases don't offer.

If you plan on going micro-ATX, the Thermaltake Versa H-15 is a fantastic deal for $28. It has great airflow, just no bells and whistles.

This really small case looks like it will do the job since it supports ATX. It also barely fits the GTX 1070 Windforce OC (GPU is 280mm; case supports 300mm).

Is there any particular reason you decided to give them the NCASE M1 you purchased for yourself? If your parents really don't have any need for a powerful system and you want to build yourself something down the line I wouldn't give them the ncase.

While it is a nice case, it won't suite their needs any more than a prebuilt that costs around the same amount, and support will fall on you instead of the company that makes a pre-built.

If you really want to built it yourself you can also go with an in-win chopin which comes with a PSU and costs about as much as the SF450 you have in your build.

Also, chrome and office can have pretty decent computational requirements depending what they do within them - but I'm assuming they have a standard 'home' workload and aren't doing any crazy excel computations or anything to tax even a low-grade system.

That said, IF you give them what you've already purchased at the VERY least I'd buy a cheaper Sata SSD for them and keep the NVME for your future build - that is a pricey drive and I very highly doubt they will notice the difference between that and something that costs a quarter as much. Also, the MoBo you have listed won't fit in the NCASE, cheapest itx am4 boards I think are closer to 120, so that's going to add additional cost to your plan.

edit: for $100 more than you still have to spend you can go with a well-known brand and include an optical drive, and still have a smaller package for them with similar specs. Biggest difference is SSD capacity.

>Gamespot built a PC version of a Pro and its comes in at $630 before OS is added and no peripherals:

Uhh, they were building a pc based off the specs of the ps4, trying to use the came component. If you use different components (like I did), you can get something much cheaper. They even say that they are trying to build something better than the ps4 pro, so they put a more powerful and more expensive 480 in there

>One can make the argument that the PS4’s GPU more closely resembles the slightly weaker RX 470, since its 4.9 teraflop count is more in line with the PS4 Pro’s 4.2 equivalent. But we think there’s a stronger case for the RX 480--both it and the PS4 Pro use 8GB of GDDR5 VRAM.



> HDMI?

you need to buy an hdmi cable if you are connecting to a tv, otherwise, it comes with a dvi cable which your monitor has an input for.

>Add in that the PS4 Pro is about 3x smaller than a mid sized case

you can very easily find smaller cases. Just the first one I found https://smile.amazon.com/SilverStone-Technology-Mini-ITX-Computer-RVZ02B/dp/B0161UXX9W/ref=sr_1_2?ie=UTF8&qid=1488140529&sr=8-2&keywords=small+pc+case

>Still no controller?

A keyboard and mouse is better in almost every single game. With PC, you actually get the choice in what you want to use, unlike console.

Well, since I am just starting, and trying to make the cost as painless as possible, I sold some old servers and already got this, since I found it on sale at amazon for $179 (And rails for $25): http://www.amazon.com/Rosewill-Thickness-Rackmount-Hot-Swap-RSV-L4412/dp/B00N9CXGSO/ref=sr_1_6?ie=UTF8&qid=1419713050&sr=8-6&keywords=rosewill+4u

And the thought is to get this mobo since its low power and has SAS built on:
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16813132230&cm_re=atom_sas-_-13-132-230-_-Product

But the SAS controllers are Marvell, so I cant use FreeNas, my thought is to use OpenMediaVault... I want to do fiber channel connection to my Hyper-V box, and run all the disks from it, along with a file share with all my very legally acquired media.

I have the first version of that case (RVZ01), it's such a great case in terms of keeping the components inside cool and for hauling around too.

You could go with a slim Silverstone case and run 1 GPU pretty easily, going up to SLI is going to require mATX and even the smallest mATX cases aren't really that small compared to mITX IMO. A 980ti would be fine in there and run virtually everything at 1440p/60hz+.

I recently built my pc in this case. For 60$ you get great cable management and a tempered glass sidepanel. It only has 1 fan included if i remember correctly.

Do you think a Fractal Design Node 202 will be good? or do you think a more blocky case would be better?

It's a EVGA GeForce GTX 750Ti SC. It's one of the smaller cards (8.3"), so it fits into a Cooler Master Elite 110 (11"x10"x8"). It's perfect for my book shelf next to my TV.

The Processor was the only thing I splurged on. i5-4690 3.5 ghz. I needed the higher core speed to emulate properly.

It's a cramped build, since there is a lot of excess cabling to cram into a 1 cubic foot space. There was no room for a fan, but the case allows for a radiator, so I used a water cool unit.

http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B003WE9WQO

That is the one I ordered / use, and its pretty much awesome. I always get compliments on it. The build quality is good, not lian li nice, but not a lian li price either.

Thanks! I’ll do ya one even better https://www.amazon.com/dp/B00FFJ0H3Q

I'm going through this list and actually getting ready to finally take the plunge. I'm thinking about Phanteks Eclipse Steel ATX Mid Tower Tempered Glass Black Cases - PH-EC300PTG_BK as a case to save $40. I'm also grabbing the LG WH14NS40 as my disc drive. I'm also swapping out the HDD you suggested for a Seagate Baracuda 2tb

You're looking at 2400Mhz RAM, but I could never get it past 1866 on this motherboard.

The waterblock is nifty looking, isn't it? It's the Deep Cool 240. Just an nice AIO. No, there isn't a fan on it.

You're in luck! The case I upgraded to is a RIOTORO CR1080. It has an inverted layout, but it's smaller than most mATX cases and... guess what... It supports full size ATX! Pain in the ass cable management though... Here is the link, though I think they've got an updated model now. https://www.amazon.com/RIOTORO-Gaming-Compartment-Support-Dedicated/dp/B01D205IXS/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1537811208&sr=8-1&keywords=Riotoro

It's gonna be pretty hard to fit an an ATX case there. The only one I can think of that might work is the Riotoro CR-1080

Riotoro webpage
https://www.riotoro.com/cr-1080

Amazon page https://www.amazon.com/dp/B01D205IXS/ref=cm_sw_r_cp_apa_i_Vx5wCb4F5ZREA

This is what I used. Totally recommend it. Magnetic strips, good price, and it has a remote control to change colors! https://www.amazon.com/dp/B01HXPPUR2/ref=cm_sw_r_cp_apa_9RsdzbWPR7D30

Thanks to your recommendation I'm now looking at the roswell 12 bay hotswappable case. I quite like hotswappable cases as they make life easy.

Would I simply buy the optiplex and stick the hardware in there and it would work out of the box?

Sounds quite appealing, if it's the case.

Here is a link to the case: https://www.amazon.com/Rosewill-Rackmount-Computer-Pre-Installed-RSV-L4500/dp/B00N9CXGSO?th=1

EDIT: Would there be any problem in using 10TB HDDs? I know sometimes drives of high capacity create some problems.

I am also building an mITX computer with very similar requirements/parts as yours. I think you should go with the RVZ02 case. Apparently there'sa whole range of these slim/tall cases by silverstone now. I want a white case for my build and probably going to go with Silverstone SG13 because I can't find anything more compact available in white.

Also I feel like you're spending too much on RAM. I'm not a RAM expert but you should be able to get good memory for half he price.

You can still pretty it up on alien blue just need to use [Square Brackets on the text you want] and (parentheses on the link). Done with Alien Blue

Also if you don't mind waiting the Prodigy M (not currently sold) will fit both a micro atx and mini atx mobo, where as the former is only mini atx.

I find the Zalman Z11 Plus is really great for the price. Pretty much everything you need, except maybe a fan controller, but I don't miss it.

you can put 2 240 rads, maybe a 360mm rad, and a single 120mm rad, all in one build, about 3 way sli/crossfire, but i wouldn't recommend it as the third card will be super close to the power supply, i'll probably just put it up in an attic when i switch, and it costs around 120$ atm

http://www.amazon.com/NZXT-PHANTOM-Tower-White-PHAN-001WT/dp/B003WE9WQO/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1415665160&sr=8-1&keywords=nzxt+phantom

I realized that I ordered some Tingkam RGB LEDs and installed them without asking if they're a trustworthy brand or not, while they look nice I'll just remove them if they're not a trustworthy brand.

I remeber seeing a video about a super small ATX case:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WFyrSSNldBI


Amazon:
https://www.amazon.com/dp/B01D205IXS/

This chip: $60
ASRock b450 (lower in the posts) $60
This case (IN-WIN 150W Mini-ITX Slim Case, Black (BQ656T.AD150TB3) https://www.amazon.com/dp/B01LVV6WVU/ref=cm_sw_r_cp_api_i_0DPCDbJR0DMG8) with integrated psu: $67
8gig dual channel ddr4 Kit: $40
240gb SSd: $30

$277 Compact HTPC that can play some games too. Pretty decent.

http://www.amazon.com/Silverstone-Tek-Mini-ITX-Computer-RVZ01B/dp/B00I3EKXDE/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1419305455&sr=8-1&keywords=Raven+RVZ01

Do you mean that case?

You will lose money selling parts. That's the way it is.

You'd have to make a significant upgrade to work in that case. I'd suggest the CM Elite 130 or Corsair 250D or Node 804. All are small form factor cube-style cases. You can use a normal PSU in all three, I think. You'd still have to change your board out, but everything else would drop in.

Still, is spending $75 on a case and $100 on a board worth it to do what you want it to do? That would not really improve your system, just make it smaller.

The most important upgrade I see you need now is more RAM. Another 4GB stick would likely be a nice bump in games and overall performance.

you build is better but i can't get some of those parts in the UK, all the parts ive picked i can. Cant get CPU or RAM,
But are the GPU and hard drive you've picked better than the ones i have?

By the way switching the case to http://www.amazon.co.uk/gp/product/B007C008L2/ref=ox_sc_act_title_1?ie=UTF8&psc=1&smid=A3P5ROKL5A1OLE

I am currently building a new computer and would like to take my old components and put them into as small of a case as possible, to use as a party game machine for when people are over. The main parts are and asus h97 pro and and an asus 970. I found these two cases, any opinions or other suggestions?

Riotoro

Silverstone

Amazon

TigerDirect

Mine arrived today, and I have to say I want my board and CPU to arrive so I can build on that fantastic case!

Will a MSI GeForce GTX 970 4GD5T OC fit into a mini ATX case?
Like this one?

https://www.amazon.com/Rosewill-Micro-ATX-Computer-12-5-Inch-LINE-M/dp/B00AAJ0ZGK/ref=sr_1_6?s=pc&ie=UTF8&qid=1473794594&sr=1-6&keywords=matx+case

I've used this case before...don't recall the powersupply I used though. Pretty cool looking, lots of space, screwless drive install.
http://www.amazon.com/BitFenix-Mini-ITX-Without-Midnight-BFC-PRO-300-KKXSK-RP/dp/B008RJQ0LE/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1396537905&sr=8-1&keywords=mini+itx+phoenix

Yeah for full ATX you don't really have many options for small cases. You're pretty much limited to mid ATX at minimum. There was this one riotoro caseI looked at years ago that fits full ATX but I never did get one. Looks like there aren't any new available either.

I used this. I picked up two of them so I could have two strips on a separate controller from the one strip I have behind the res. These have a magnetic back so it sticks to the case perfectly. I have two strips in back of the case so it illuminates my wall and one strip in back of the pump connected to the other controller so I can make it constantly pulse. I can change the color configuration via the remote to whatever I want though. There are tons of possibilities. I really need to get a youtube video up. This shits strait disco tech in the dark if I want it to be. lol

You could go with the In Win chopin, which goes for $70 on Amazon and comes with a fanless 150W power supply: https://www.amazon.com/WIN-150W-Mini-ITX-Black-BQ656T-AD150TB3/dp/B01LVV6WVU

OP, here is the case you want.

IN-WIN 150W Mini-ITX Slim Case, Black (BQ656T.AD150TB3) https://www.amazon.com/dp/B01LVV6WVU/ref=cm_sw_r_cp_api_qADOAb6AP1V4M

It’s the same as the In Win Chopin except it has a slot available for a slim optical drive should you choose to add one. The optical drive bay can alternatively House a second 2.5 inch hard drive. It comes with a 150 watt PSU which will be fine for a 2200G build.

RSV-L4411 I'm pretty sure, and I'm not sure what the difference is between that one and the newer version:

http://www.amazon.com/Rosewill-Thickness-Rackmount-Black-RSV-L4411/dp/B0091IZ2L4/ref=pd_sim_sbs_pc_1?ie=UTF8&refRID=183SZX6JQVAQC25VQCX1


http://www.amazon.com/Rosewill-Thickness-Rackmount-Hot-Swap-RSV-L4412/dp/B00N9CXGSO/ref=sr_1_8?ie=UTF8&qid=1415704197


It was also on sale for $200 when I purchased it.

No something must have failed in the cooling system. In a gaming computer, the GPU uses a lot of resources and can heat up relatively quickly. Dust cleaning and wire organization are key for a gaming PC.

Here is a case that has great ventilation. It is what I use

EDIT: Also it is good practice to keep the room relatively cool. I'm not saying to make it a winter wonderland but make sure the room doesn't get hot

I'm not sure what specifics you need in terms of the Case, but here is the one I used - http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B004WO17UC/ref=oh_details_o09_s00_i00?ie=UTF8&psc=1

I'm very satisfied with it and it costs less.

Of course maybe there's a reason you picked the case you have?

Check out this case and its variants, and also this one. Both are super compact and offer decent air flow, considering their tiny form.