(Part 2) Reddit mentions: The best gps units

Damn, that's a good deal. I have the one with the wrist HR but I only use the strap when I run so I can't personally say that the strap is definitely more accurate (I like the extra data you get with the strap). However, from the reviews I've read, it seems like the wrist hr monitor is slightly less accurate than the strap during runs, but still pretty useful. I wanted the one with the wrist hr just so I'd still have hr data if I forgot to wear the strap or whatever.

Also, I really like that silver/red combo. I wish the 3 HR had come in more colors (I know different bands are available but the watch itself is only available in dark grey, as far as I know).

Actually though, that reminds me of one other benefit of the 3 HR- its also the sapphire model, which means the crystal is of a higher quality than the standard version (at least according to the salesman I talked to). If you tend to beat up watches, you may want to get that version, which is also on sale without the wrist HR. Even the titanium version, which also does not have the wrist HR, is on sale too. The 3 HR does not appear to be on sale though, at least not yet.

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Your trainer is supported by zwift, it'll estimate power using zPower which is an estimation, but it's good enough as a point of reference. So you can train against it.

Really all you need is an ANT+ Speed Sensor and an ANT+ stick. You can get a Garmin Speed/Cadence sensor that'll work just fine with zwift (I use an older model).

As you have more money, you can grab a heartrate sensor, also ANT+ which would work on zwift..

Then when you're ready to ride outside, you can buy a Garmin Edge. I have a 520, but a 500 would do (the one I linked is an example, expect to pay under $150 for one refurbished or used in great condition).. All the sensors you just bought are compatible with the Edge series (or any other GPS that uses ANT+, which is pretty much all of them)

I'd suggest springing for the HRM-TRI, regular HRMs are ~$40 on Amazon, HRM-TRI is ~$120, $80 difference and you get running dynamics and heart rate in the water.

As for the colors, man, it even seems inappropriate in casual attire, but I'll be ordering this Flat black strap on Amazon to try to subdue the watch, I'll try to upload/dm you pictures if/when I get it to give you a better idea of what it might look like.

I got mine yesterday, turns out it was $120 off, but if you don't want to drop $450, try the used ones on Amazon, then send it to garmin to have it refurbished for $110. The cheapest this moment Link is $280 with shipping, and it looks proper, but even if you get it refurbished, it'll still only run out to $390, saves you half as much as an HRM-TRI costs.

I've used Garmin and Delorme and am a bigger fan of the Garmin's personally. My current device is a Garmin GPSMAP 64s. It has built in Geocaching support, a large internal memory with the ability to expand with flash memory cards and uses both GPS and GLOSNAS satellite constellations. You're also able to load satellite imagery onto to the device which is always a boon with urban caching.

Other nice features are a barometer for altitude measurements, an internal compass for more accurate headings and the ability to pair it to your device to receive notifications on or report GPS data back to the phone.

This is the GPS I bought a couple of months ago after a 10 year absence from the hobby. It's pretty great and definitely a step up from my old Garmin.
https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B00HWL9AR4/ref=oh_aui_detailpage_o09_s00?ie=UTF8&psc=1

I like having a GPS instead of the smartphone because it has maps and caches loaded onto it.

Yes, when doing an activity, if you want to row, you would need to make your rowing specific customizations under another activity (other, run, bike, etc.) However, once you upload to Garmin, you may edit the activity however you like, including putting it under the "rowing" sub category, which automatically puts the activity into 500m pace. It works pretty well if you have the time to edit all your workouts and such, and you're able to view a lot of info on your computer post-workout. If you can't afford the 630, I'd highly suggest the 230. You can get it right now for $220 (https://www.amazon.com/Garmin-Forerunner-230-Bundle-Black/dp/B016PAPIC8), thats with the chest belt. If you already have a chest belt though, I think you can get it for $180.

Lycra bibs are a game changer. Also, a bike computer like a garmin edge 520 will allow you to track your rides and try to improve your PRs. If you end up going this way, a Strava account is a good idea

The Geocaching app from Geocaching.com is really the one-stop-shop. It pretty much does everything. It's not free, but it's worth it. ($9.99 maybe?)

I haven't tried in some time, but I just tested my iPhone 4S inside a metal building.. Still getting about 30ft accuracy in POOR conditions, which is where MOST geocaches will be. I'm still going to stand by my "Get a GPS" recommendation..

http://amzn.com/B00542NV32 is all you need. I have the first generation of this one, before it even included maps (which you don't need). At the time it was a good deal at $90, but WOW, this eTrex 10 is unreal for $90. You can almost bury these new ones in a lead box covered in concrete and they'll get a lock.

I don't know what your budget is but I've had the Garmin Fenix 2 for a few years now and love it.

Middle of the way would be Fenix 3.

Top of the line would be Fenix 5.

Ton of good reviews here

I like the 110 and 210. Personally I use the 910xt. But that's overkill for someone just starting out.

As for HR monitor, I don't use one so I can't really speak whether they are worth it. I believe most Garmins have the functionality to use one, the additional price increase from say a 110 w/o HR and one with is for the actual HR strap. Meaning you can always buy the cheaper one and if you decide you want the HR strap, then grab one off eBay later.

When I was first getting started I just used my phone, which worked out well for spur of the moment caching in town! I'll still use my phone if I'm not going anywhere were I can't see power lines. The Garmin is great for the more rugged areas since its water and shock resistant, and with two AA batteries it runs for months. I can also set an SOS location before I start my hike so if I get turned around it will point an arrow straight towards that location. Even if you don't use it for geocaching I highly recommend it for hiking! This is what I have.

Glad to hear the tour is a good choice!

Okay, so we did have the SPOT beacon, so we'll look into getting GPS unit. Nothing showed up on Eastern Moutain Sport's website so I took a look around amazon, is this what you're talking about?

https://www.amazon.com/Garmin-eTrex-Worldwide-Handheld-Navigator/dp/B00542NV32/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1482009320&sr=8-1&keywords=gps+hiking

We're planning on leaving our itinerary with safetravel and our emergency contacts, so we'll be set in that department. And yeah, we're not planning on sending out an emergency call unless we're physically stuck.

Here's a more detailed look at our itinerary:
https://docs.google.com/document/d/1TsUwgaFMoquH9ccH8BZiUh1CW_82UTmdZEythZMZQpM/edit?usp=sharing

Also, I totally get what you're saying about multiple mountain trails. the frustration is that these websites (which are official ones!) don't list like 8 trails, they just give driving instructions to a parking lot at the base of whatever location and say "the trail is clearly marked from there". Example: http://www.icelandtrails.com/trails/hafnarfjall/

Finally, for robust and massive spikes, those Grivel G10s look like the kinds given out when we go on the glacier walk tour. I don't want you to feel like I'm arguing (from a position of little knowledge, no less) but could you help me understand their necessity for climbing up a gravelly/rocky/dirt-ish slope? In comparison to the microspikes, of course, we wouldn't go without something at least equivalent to the Kathoola Microspikes.

You're right on the GPS accuracy, and some phones are better than others. The Wifi Accuracy is kinda a joke, and not going to be available on a course unless you're picking up open hotspots from homes.

If you could find a good 3d guy, he could easily sketch up a shield that snapped over that bluetooth keyboard and provided custom buttons and a belt clip. 3D print a prototype and away you go.

Additionally, I know there are some external GPS units that connect via bluetooth and provide much better accuracy. (http://www.amazon.com/Bad-Elf-2200-Black-silver/dp/B008VWNBBE/ref=pd_cp_e_1) but you're now talking about some serious cost increases in the usefulness of the App.

Background: I wrote android software that heavily utilized the GPS for a few years. It was eventually ported to iPhone (by someone else)

GPSMAP64 $200. Get free (and legal) 4k topo maps here

Its not the cheapest per se. But it is a no frills water resistant GPS with great reception.

I don't recommend a GPS compass. Use a real one instead. They are like 1oz and $5.

I have a Garmin FR15 with a heart strap and I totally dig it. If you get it without the strap, it's under $100. And GPS accuracy will be much better than anything that uses your phone to track. https://www.amazon.com/gp/aw/d/B00JQF6HHU/ref=mp_s_a_1_4?ie=UTF8&qid=1475024016&sr=8-4&pi=AC_SX236_SY340_FMwebp_QL65&keywords=garmin+forerunner&dpPl=1&dpID=41ZTwHKCs9L&ref=plSrch

Polar now supports Strava sync in their PolarFlow app, but it took a long time to get it. Polar has a history of promising something and then dragging their feet on releasing it. If it works, which sometimes it doesn't. I think it took a year to get phone integration done correctly on the M400, and even then it doesn't play well with Android. I would encourage you to look at the user discussion (especially the bottom where the most recent replies are) on DCR's review of the M400. It's just not the value it was when it was released.

Here is a link to a refurb 225 that comes with a 1yr warranty from Garmin, and has an optical HRM on the back of the watch so no extra straps/etc to get and it's not that much more than the Polar. Something to think about, maybe?

Any reason you don't want to use some hardware you probably already own? Does it have to be a watch?

Alpine Quest on your phone (or even a little burner phone) will do all the tracking you want plus show maps in a pinch. With your phone in airplane mode and the screen off, only GPS on, you can expect a solid couple of days of use as least. Throw it in your (or her) pack if you're worried about a pocket bulge or dropping/breaking it.

A $10 app isn't a real great gift idea, though.

I used Apline Quest on my phone during a 4 day hike through Dolly Sods the other week, tracking myself over 27-some-odd miles during all four days, and returned to the trailhead with something like 33% battery still remaining... I think that's better than you could hope for with any GPS enabled watch no matter how expensive it is.

Similarly, handheld GPS receivers, especially relatively basic monochrome models, can get excellent battery life and do everything you require (except come in watch form factor). Get an older model online or used and you can pay peanuts for it. You can get a Garmin eTrex 10 for about $80, these days.

For emergencies, I have Garmin inReach Mini. I currently pay for the emergency plan, which provides access to text and SOS should I require it. You, unfortunately, won't receive text messages for evac notices, but as another pointed out, there are other ways to receive these (such as radio).

Obviously, the Garmin inReach isn't a replacement for a mobile hotspot or internet access. It would allow you to keep in touch with family members (although slowly) and fire off an SOS if you need help. If you wanted to make phone calls, your best fail-safe is likely a satellite phone.

I know this probably isn't what you're looking for, but it is a perspective that perhaps you can consider.

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I just went through this process and settled on the Garmin 230 + heart rate monitor bundle for $220. My understanding is the only difference between the 230 and 235 is the 235 has a wrist-based heart rate monitor, whereas the 230 uses a chest strap.

In the past, I used the MapMyRun app to track my runs, and I discovered it's horribly inaccurate. It would tell me my pace is ~10:00-10:30, while I was really at 8:00-8:30. I discovered the discrepancy after borrowing a family member's Garmin 310XT, and that's what prompted me to buy the Garmin 230..

I used the FR15 for a long time. Great, simple watch, currently $83 on Amazon (no HR strap option)

e911 has been an awesome investment. We quickly forget that in most part of the worlds, including very developed countries, there is no automatic geolocation that comes from the caller if he is using a mobile phone.

See for instance the hiker who was found 9 days later in Italia because he was not able to give his location to the dispatcher after falling in a ravine.

Obviously in these countries, the next step is to deploy something similar to e911 (could be AML).

For people who venture in remote locations with no cell coverage, Garmin inReach satellite communicators are awesome. I have the mini and it's great. 2-way SMS-like communication with an emergency call center all over the world with GPS positioning.

I've honestly never understood the attraction of these as opposed to a plain old bike comp plus a $100 hiker's GPS - why do you like it so much?

What do you get from one of these you can't get from a $50 Cateye plus one of these?

I know this doesn't contribute to the conversation at all, but I am having the exact same dilemma.

I noticed that the 735xt is only $50 more on Amazon and will ship next week. I've thought about getting that a couple of times over the past few days. Just with everything I've read it seems the software is more up to date to work with all of Garmin's Connect software. Again, this is all in research so I have no idea and I'm glad you asked the question.

Wahoo ELEMNT (The big one) for $228 at Amazon.

https://www.amazon.com/Wahoo-ELEMNT-GPS-Bike-Computer/dp/B01DFQUTTC/ref=sr_1_1?s=black-friday&psr=EY17&ie=UTF8&qid=1511518457&sr=1-1&keywords=wahoo

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If you are looking for a good starter activity/heartrate/sleep tracker for your mom, I would suggest a refurbished vivosport from Amazon starting at $54 for the small/medium size wristband. It's a small, basic, touch interfaced device that's relatively simple to use. Refurb Vivosport Amazon Link

Garmin Forerunner 910XT GPS-Enabled Sport Watch with Heart Rate Monitor

For others that were also curious, the Feenix is $450 (Feenix 3 on Amazon). However, there are other models that look like they have colored displays which can run up to $700

Bluetooth 4.0 & ANT+ Coospo Smart Wireless Waterproof Fitness Tracker Bike Speed and Cadence Sensor https://www.amazon.com/dp/B07BSTJWD2/ref=cm_sw_r_cp_api_i_26DvCb4JM2XK2

This is a dream for me. Can’t beat the price either

I used to use it with the Zwift companion app but now I use an ANT+ cable because I had to buy one anyway for my HR sensor. Both worked fine for me

There's a 645 non-music that'll save you money but I'm seeing factory certified refurb 935s discounted to only $100 more than a 735XT, same price as the 645 "non-music."

Opinions are going to differ on generational trade-offs but, to me, the UX/UI makes a huge difference.

Currently have 10,130 SB, or $101. Saving up for bike computer/sensor combo, just $250 to go! After that, I think I'll shove all the money I make into some stocks. That way I remove some of the emotion from investing, and on top of that, I'll have that much mor of a reason to thank SB! Bike combo: https://www.amazon.com/Garmin-Edge-520-Bundle-Bike/dp/B010SDBFIE/ref=sr_1_1?s=wireless&ie=UTF8&qid=1478121014&sr=1-1&keywords=garmin+520+bundle

I bought it on Amazon. It's not bad. It has a long battery life and is fairly water resistant. It's a few years old, now. On the downside, it has a habit of throwing out completely incorrect data points now and then, especially if you take it indoors, or even walking in a big city. This will throw off your distance count by a lot, which isn't great. So you have to manually remove the wild results.

I think there are better options out there today. These, for example, will talk with your smartphone in interesting ways:

• Dual Electronics XGPS150A
  
• Bad Elf 2200
  
  I think the Wintec is "good enough" that I won't upgrade, but if I was buying new I'd look at the newer items. Also, most smartphones will probably be more accurate, because they use GPS and cell signals, both.

I just bought my first running watch, the Garmin Forerunner 225 and am very happy with it so far. It has livetrack but I haven't tried it since I bought mainly to run without my phone.

I got the refurb on Amazon for $130 - https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B01G7JWRPS

Edit: NewEgg has the 235 on sale for $240 - https://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=9SIABMT4HR2743

4. I have a Fenix 2. I got it because I was thinking ultra. It's capable of doing a million different things (mode for skydiving, calculate the area inside a loop) but, unless you're looking for that kind of obscure feature I would stick to a 220,225,230,235. I've been strongly considering picking up this.

This seems to have good reviews and it works with zwift. My friend uses Wahoo brand sensors and says they work fine too but it will be double in price

Small world, I saw someone post that exact same bike with exact same wheelset on craigslist a few days ago and I wanted to get it but they never responded.

I bought a cheap refurb Garmin Vivosport for the same reason. If you are coming from a fancier smartwatch/tracker, it'll be annoying for you with it's limited functionality and tiny screen. But for a basic watch/tracker and Strava GPS use, it works just fine. Well worth The $100 I paid for it. Looks like they are even cheaper now. $85 at Amazon: https://www.amazon.com/Garmin-v%C3%ADvosport-Smart-Activity-Tracker/dp/B079Y6R6HP/

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EDIT: It is the Vivosport. Wrote Vivofit for some reason initially.

Don't know the rules in this sub, but that looks like an affiliate link. Here's a non-affiliate version: http://www.amazon.com/Garmin-Forerunner-920XT-Black-Watch/dp/B00O4D4KPA

http://www.amazon.com/Garmin-Edge-520-Bundle-Bike/dp/B010SDBFIE/ref=cm_cr_pr_product_top?ie=UTF8

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Nice. Is it this one here?


https://www.amazon.com/Garmin-Worldwide-High-Sensitivity-GLONASS-Receiver/dp/B00HWL9AS8/ref=sr_1_10?ie=UTF8&qid=1479158338&sr=8-10&keywords=garmin+gps+hiking

Wahoo Elemnt is $230, cheaper and better (for the task) than an Apple Watch Nike or FitBit Ionic.

https://www.amazon.com/dp/B01DFQUTTC/

You're not missing out on the Fuji app's geotracking feature, IMO. It doesn't update the location in real time, it just syncs your phone's location at the moment you pair it with your camera, so every photo you take afterwards will be geotagged at that original location; it's only useful if you're staying in that location for the entire shoot or if you just want a ballpark estimate you can then fine-tune manually in Lightroom's map module.

What I do is record a GPS track of my route using something that can export a GPX file, making sure the camera's time is synced to the GPS time. You can use something like a simple handheld GPS (like a Garmin eTrex), but I use the GPS Tracks iOS app (I always carry an external battery pack so battery use is not a concern). Then in Lightroom, after I import my photos, I can import the GPX track in the map module and it'll geotag my photos.

Another thing I do, especially when on road trips where I don't want to geotrack the entire trip but I'm still making a few stops for photos, is take a photo with my phone at each location, and then import them to Lightroom to use as reference to place the others manually in the map module (I use the Lightroom Mobile app to take them, so they're synced automatically to the desktop app, saving me a step).

> Those poles are for comfort - keep the bivy and bugs off your face. I bet you can still use that bag without the poles just fine.

For condensation also. If you don't get the fabric away from your face and allow some breathing space for moisture to pass through the Pertex membrane, the inside will gradually get wetter, which will make your sleeping bag colder. It probably would have been OK though.

> I guess keeping track of where you're going with a compass and map is the thing to do

Had a trail map and compass as always. Also a pedometer, so I knew how far in/back I was independent of the GPS. Was just following the trail blazes and signs until the weather turned bad. No issues with navigation until then. It was a unique situation for me. The trail disappeared behind me, and the small flashlight I had (batteries match the GPS, on purpose) lit up the ground in front of me but was not bright enough to search the trees 30' away looking for the dark blue blaze plates. Never thought I needed to be able to see 30' before. I've taken a better flashlight on a couple trips since then. Thankfully, I had set a waypoint at the parking area to help me find it driving on the way in. But I always have a GPS and set a waypoint at the trailhead anyway.

My point was it's a mistake to arbitrarily tell people they are not True Survivalists^^© if they take a GPS (or tent). They're cheaper than a BK9 (especially if you already have a drawer full of survival knives and axes) and could save your life. This is not Dungeons and Dragons. Having a GPS ≠ being the kid who says he has a 44 magnum in his pocket when the orcs attack.

If you’re even close to half-serious, only fancier, more expensive models have a barometric altimeter. Plenty get the data just fine using GPS.

For reference, neither the Amazon’s Choice $80 Garmin ETrex 10 nor its $150 upgraded 20x model have barometers. To get one, you have to get the even more premium 30x model, which MSRPs for $300.

This is already for sale at $250 ($50 off) on Amazon.

http://www.amazon.com/Arccos-Golf-Performance-Tracking-Analytics/dp/B00OZDGLCY/ref=sr_1_2?ie=UTF8&qid=1464059381&sr=8-2&keywords=arccos+golf

Arccos (old model) lightning sale at amazon
here

> That's because it's an aviation GPS function, not just something you "buy" on Amazon.

This is complete BS and it literally is

Amazon lightening deal for the next 5 hours on Arccos GPS shot Tracker.

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Maybe buy something cheaper? See if it has the features you want.

What you can do is purchase a GPS device that connects to your iPad. Bad Elf GPS was made specifically for this purpose and it's what I purchased.

However, I tend to forget to turn off my GPS after my drive and the battery dies by the time I drive again. But for the most part it works quite well.

as of 7:51p PST 30NOV, I still see it available.

https://www.amazon.com/gp/offer-listing/B00RY1YWSO/ref=olp_f_refurbished?ie=UTF8&f_refurbished=true

You don't even necessarily need used to come in under $100.

http://www.amazon.com/Garmin-eTrex-Worldwide-Handheld-Navigator/dp/B00542NV32/ref=sr_1_3?s=gps&ie=UTF8&qid=1395258071&sr=1-3&keywords=garmin

I have a Garmin FR 225, and it does that. They can be had for for $129 on Amazon

Alternatively, you can just get a new one for 200.

Check out the Garmin Forerunner 15. It's discontinued, but you can still get it from Amazon and probably other online stores. It has a GPS outdoor running mode and a watch/fitness tracker mode and can't connect to anything without a cable.

If she had something like this she likely wouldn't have gotten lost. We already have GPS coverage for the entirety of the planet.

And they have better battery life than most phones with GPS capability

But that said, she was hiking alone, even with a gps device she still would've had problems due to having sustained a broken leg.

What I meant to say is this link They have the condition as new but the actual name of the product is "Garmin Forerunner 225 (Certified Refurbished)" So its probably just a mistake.

I might have to just spend a bit more and get the FR35....

Bad Elf 2200 GPS Pro (Black/silver) https://www.amazon.com/dp/B008VWNBBE/ref=cm_sw_r_cp_api_Xr71Bb42J1BS5

In cellphones it's still the device's ability to transmit that's to blame for the eventual surveillance. It's just in the case of cell phones the undesirable transmission of your position is muddied with legitimate transmissions you normally have no problem with. Cell towers do need to be able to ping you so you can receive calls.

Another way for me to explain it is like this: A bare-bones GPS device that only does GPS, like what you'd use to hike through the woods, is only capable of receiving data. They are not capable of being used to spy on you by anyone. They don't talk to satellites, they only listen. Any surveillance device that spies on your position with GPS is going to be require a transmitter. Put another way, GPS records/makes data. But unless you can transmit that data, its useless for surveillance.

There is arguably one possible exception: A GPS you attach to somebody's car, then detach later to record data with no transmission (and is thus not real-time surveillance), but I'd argue in that case it's the attachment-and-retrieval that's to blame for the surveillance (basically the intrusion upon of property).