(Part 2) Reddit mentions: The best backpacking & camping stoves & grills

1. Tent: Eagles Peak II Two person tent - http://www.dickssportinggoods.com/product/index.jsp?productId=50802926
   -This was generous gift from my SO's mom. It may not be the best tent out there, but at free it can't be beat.
   
   
2. Sleeping Bag: Marmot Aspen Minimalist 40 - http://www.trailspace.com/gear/marmot/aspen-40-ultralight/
   -Got this for its small size and light weight. Future winter camping trips are a possibility, in which case I plan on snagging a wool blanket of sleeping bag liner.
   
   
3. Sleeping Pad: RidgeRest Classic - http://www.amazon.com/Therm-A-Rest-6433-Parent-RidgeRest-Classic-Mattress/dp/B00HZ13OYG
   -Simple basic sleeping pad, I've been using these since scouts and have wanted for nothing more, especially because of its light weight.
   -In the event of winter camping, is this enough to insulate from the ground? If not, what could be added to my sleep system to keep me insulated from the ground?
   
   
4. Cookware: Pot Pan stackable combo - http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B00FQZEYWE?psc=1&redirect=true&ref_=oh_aui_detailpage_o03_s00
   -Lightweight and simple, these were cheap and seemed straight forward.
   -They stack with the majority of either piece's empty space facing each other, allowing for decently dry storage for matches etc. inside.
   -Comes with a tight fitting mesh ditty bag
   
   
5. Small Camp Grill - Coghlan's Camp Grill - http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B001OPHA0S?psc=1&redirect=true&ref_=oh_aui_detailpage_o00_s00
   -Another straight forward and cheap piece,
   -This is really an optional piece, I plan on bringing it along on trips with big groups or when cooking meat is in the cards.
   
   
6. Plates x2: Coleman Enamel plates - http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B0009PUSPI?psc=1&redirect=true&ref_=oh_aui_detailpage_o00_s00
   -These are the camping gold standard in my book, been using them since scouts.
   
   
7. Stuff Sacks x3: REI pack of 3 Ditty Sacks 2, 3, and 7 liter. -http://www.rei.com/product/795047/rei-ditty-sack-package-of-3
   -Came in a decently affordable combo pack, plan on using them for food/toiletries storage and bear bags.
   
   
8. Knife: Morakniv Companion Straight Knife - http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B004TNWD40?psc=1&redirect=true&ref_=oh_aui_detailpage_o00_s00
   -Love this little knife, cheap but durable and was a shaver straight out of the box.
   -Came with a super thick plastic sheath
   
   9)Hatchet: Estwing Hatchet - http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B004TNWD40?psc=1&redirect=true&ref_=oh_aui_detailpage_o00_s00
   -Heard this was a classic, people say they've still got the one's their grandfather's used. It's heavy, but I'm happy with the tradeoff.
   -Got it sharpened well enough to cleanly slice through paper at the moment
   
   
9. Axe Sharpener: Lansky Dual Grit Sharpener - http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B000B8FW0Y?psc=1&redirect=true&ref_=oh_aui_detailpage_o02_s00
   -Great sharpener, pretty much the go to field sharpener from what I've gathered.
   -Only took a couple minutes to learn how to use, the only hard part is consistently following the bevel through each stroke, but it gets easier.
   
   
10. Camp Towels x2: Microfiber quick-drying towels - http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B000B8FW0Y?psc=1&redirect=true&ref_=oh_aui_detailpage_o02_s00
    -Very great, medium size towels with their own tote
    
    
11. Collapsible Water Jug: REI 2.5 gallon collapsible water jug - http://www.rei.com/product/402099/reliance-fold-a-carrier-water-carrier-25-gal
    -Seems great, picked it up at REI physical store then read reviews and got spooked, we'll see though, a minority of the reviewers swear by it.
    -Just in case it sucks, any suggestions for a collapsible water container of equal size/price?
    
    
12. Water Bags x2: 33 oz Bag style canteens - http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B010OLZ3E2?psc=1&redirect=true&ref_=oh_aui_detailpage_o05_s00
    -These came free with my water filter, and they have many good reviews. If they do well, I may buy some extras.
    
    
13. Wine Skin: 2L - http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B00CN4RN42?psc=1&redirect=true&ref_=oh_aui_detailpage_o02_s00
    -More showing of my primitivist ass, and I thought I could take some weight off of my SO by carrying enough water for the two of us.
    
    
14. Pillows x2: Field and Stream - http://www.dickssportinggoods.com/product/index.jsp?productId=33581126
    -Got these a long time ago when I knew less, they are pretty bulky and my first item I want to replace
    
    
15. Pack: Kelty Redwing 50L Black
    -SO's mom gifted this this Christmas, so amazing and thoughtful, one of the best gifts I've ever gotten and I love the color
    
    
16. Shoes: Skechers Trail Runners - I found these at the thrift store for a stunning 12 bucks and they fit perfectly
    
    
17. Lighting: Outlite Lantern -http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B01178FLM0?psc=1&redirect=true&ref_=oh_aui_detailpage_o01_s00
    -Pack of flashlights (might not bring all four) - http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B00V639BNC?psc=1&redirect=true&ref_=oh_aui_detailpage_o01_s01
    
    
18. Extras: Tarp as groundcloth, some extra stakes.
    
    Items not shown:
    -Always a tin or bag of Drum Tobacco and papers
    -Kindle, old generation one
    -Collapsible trowel
    -Paracord
    -Burlap shoulder bag for gathering kindling etc
    
    Items still wanted (suggestions greatly appreciated):
    -Knife for SO
    -Work gloves
    -Plastic flasks for booze
    -Belt pouch
    -Higher quality tarp
    -Knife Sharpener
    -Sleeping bag liner or wool blanket
    -Any food suggestions!
    -Rain cover for pack
    -Smell proof food bags
    
    I don't have much experience outside of scouts, so I'm very open to critique of my setup. I will warn that I am very much into primitivism, and camping for me is a gateway to a backcountry, esthetic lifestyle I one day I hope to live, so some of my gear choices may not always be the most efficient. Any advice from a primitivist or purist standpoint is doubly appreciated.
    
    

Plan for the cold. Buy a good sleeping bag and don't scrimp on it. This link recommends Kelty brand sleeping bags. I own Kelty brand and its good. A mummy style fits closer for warmth, but can feel claustrophobic. a rectangular style fits looser for movement, but at a cost of less warmth.

Plan for warm layers for yourself. buying a good baselayer can help keep you warm when you're not in your sleeping bag. Merino wool is a good choice, but it costs. its worth the cost. there are synthetic styles that are cheaper.

Buy a good headlamp, because making your way to the public restrooms in the dark sucks muchly and you'd hate it if you dropped and lost your flashlight. plus carrying a flashlight in your hand means you can't carry much else.

Buy something that will help you cook your food and heat water. If that's going to be handled for you, then you might not need it. Me, I like to be self-sufficient and I really like my tea. Be sure to ask your group how food is going to be handled. I like GSI Outdoors brand because its nice and compact and its a nice size for a Vargo titanium alcohol stove. If you go this route, you'll need Denatured Alcohol which is hard to be shipped. Call around local hardware stores or hiking stores around you to see if anyone carries it. You'll also need flip top plastic squeeze bottles to carry the alcohol around in. Keep it in its own leak-proof bag. If you have a store close to you like Cabela's or REI, they carry this stuff too.

buy a travel mug with a cover. Me, I like Hydroflask brand because its flip-top cap is leak proof, but YMMV.

Here's a bunch of hacks that look interesting. You don't have to go all-out on these, but if you find yourself doing this type of car-camping again, you'll find them useful. Here's some more tips for first-time campers

WEAR STURDY SHOES. Boots are a great idea, but they also make hiking shoes that are lighter in weight. Buy merino wool socks. Merino wool is like ovens for your feet. I like Smartwool or Darn Tough

For food: I've done an entire camping trip on nothing but unrefrigerated foods. I bought a good crusty bread, squeeze peanut butter and squeeze jam. there are also pre-packaged hiking foods that are tasty. Make sure you bring several gallons of water and be sure to keep hydrated.

also BUG SPRAY! Don't mess around with "all natural" bug spray. You want DEET. I went camping in an area that was close to the water table and was basically mosquito breeding central. from the time when I arrived and the time I finally broke down and bought a DEET-based repellant, I was bitten 47 times.

edited to add: PHONE CHARGERS! This is mega important because power is going to be a premium at a festival. I own this Anker Power Core and it will re-charge your phone up to 7 times. Its kind of heavy, but its worth it. Anker also sells smaller ones that will recharge a phone twice to three times.

edited again to add: Anything you buy, test it before the trip happens. Sleep a night in your new sleeping bag. test your new camp-stove (outside preferably). cook something in your new camp pot. see how it works so that if there's something that doesn't happen the way you want it, you know about it before the big day. especially if you've never used a campstove before: you want to learn how to operate it without burning yourself or others or setting fire to things that shouldn't be on fire.

The Kelty Cosmic Down 20 is what I use. It is a little heavier than your range above, but can be had for close to $100 online if you catch a sale.

For a tent, I use the Eureka Spitfire Solo It is pretty snug for me, I am 5'11". I would not recommend this tent for someone 6' or taller. If you are not 6' or taller, it is very wind resistant as long as you stake it well, and weighs 2 lbs 12 ounces. Looks like it is $114.00 at campmor now. Get the ground cover with it. Ground covers are awesome for keeping stuff clean and making packing less of a chore.

For cooking I use the Esbit cookset It is an awesome little set and is very light. One good advantage is that the fuel is solid so it won't leak or spill. The fuel is supposed to work at high altitudes as well. I have used it at ~8000', but not higher. One tip for this cookset is to set the fuel sideways instead of flat. It is much more efficient that way. $22.76 on amazon. $5.99 for a 12-pack of fuel (breakfast and dinner for 6 days if you use it right). And REALLY LIGHT!

I don't have any experience with fishing poles.

If you notice, all my stuff is inexpensive, but the best/lightest inexpensive stuff I could get my hands on. I sacrifice a pound or two and save $200-$1000 on gear, depending on who I compare it to. My pack is still lighter and smaller than my hiking buddy's when packed full.

I've done a lot of camping in the Catskills and harriman, and backpacking on the Appalachian trail. The lean-to's i know of in that area can only be reached by backpacking. Be wary of "car-camping" advice. Honestly you might be better off "car-camping" at Stephens State Park or Mills Norrie State Park, which are both close to harriman, and have "tent" campsites available this weekend. (reserveamerica.com)

But, if your still interested in "backpacking" to a lean-to, here's what i recommend.


Might be better off on Amazon, unless there's a storewide discount at your local REI.

https://www.rei.com/c/sleeping-bags?r=category%3Acamping-and-hiking%7Csleeping-bags-and-accessories%7Csleeping-bags&ir=category%3Asleeping-bags-and-accessories&sort=min-price

I recommend getting two of one of these bags:

https://www.amazon.com/Coleman-Brazos-Cold-Weather-Sleeping-Bag/dp/B00363V3OK

https://www.amazon.com/Semoo-Lightweight-Portable-Compress-Compression/dp/B016I9SXL4

and a 4-person dome tent:

https://www.amazon.com/Coleman-Sundome-4-Person-Dome-Tent/dp/B019N9W7WC

Also, an alcohol stove kit:

https://www.amazon.com/Fire-Maple-Alcohol-Backpacking-Portable-Ultra-light/dp/B01DA53MP6

https://www.amazon.com/Klean-Strip-QKGA75003-Denatured-Alcohol-1-Quart/dp/B001FOSX9U

https://www.amazon.com/Magnesium-Starter-Flint-Stone-Lighter/dp/B00K5I058Y

Also, grab some Mountain House meals, they are expensive, but worth it on a first time backpacking trip. https://www.amazon.com/s/?field-keywords=mountain+house

Check out Davis Sports Shop in Sloatsburg, ny. They've got a lot of camping gear, as well as hunting and fishing.

http://davissport.com/files/2015/03/10646840_373164796209673_7535081532103820525_n.jpg

I have become a huge fan of Coghlans gear over the years.

Good luck and have fun! :) bring star charts too :)

edit: if you want to practice making fire, this is a very safe way to do it and it is large enough to house the alcohol stove as an alternative https://www.amazon.com/WoodFlame-Lightweight-Burning-Backpacking-Stainless/dp/B01BPUEGNK

Stoves - I use a super cat stove. I've carried both canister and white gas stoves in the past, but this simple alcohol stove works best for my needs. The JetBoil really is only for boiling water. If you want to cook, you should get just about any other stove. The BioLite is very gimmicky. There are other backpacking woodstoves that work just as well, but weigh far less (My two favorites are the EmberLit and the Sierra Zip Stove). And since the charging port on the BioLite only puts out 400mA, you will not get any significant charge for your devices in the 20 minutes you will be operating the stove.

Shelter - I think you are going to be far more comfortable in a good sleeping bag under the tarp tent than you will in the bivy. Bivies suck. Really. And the emergancy tarp is not going to insulate you from the ground. It has zero insulation value. Get a closed sell foam pad or an insulated inflatable pad.

Packs - I love osprey packs. They are great. The only thing you want to do is not to buy too big of a pack. You will just end up filling it up with useless gear. Buy the pack last. Once you have everything else, put it in a box and measure the volume. Then you know how much capacity you need. Then weigh it. Now, when you go to the store to try on the packs, they will hopefully have weighted pillows that you can fill the pack with and see how it carries with the amount of gear you plan of carrying.

These probably aren't BI4L, so flame away, but it's perfect for your situation:

http://www.amazon.com/Deluxe-Butane-Burner-Stove-Free/dp/B000BVC4NY

These are butane powered... You can find them local at restaurant supply places and oriental markets. They are very powerful but have good control to cook on. My office uses them in the cafe for making everything, and they look VERY well used. They are also apparently safe to use indoors without fancy ventilation, though I'm sure there are limits to far you'd want to take that.

Maybe not perfect for outdoor use since the flame isn't well protected, but it's cheap and will do the job you have at hand now very well.

I would buy local so you can test out the valve/igniter, the QC is iffy, some makes are better than others.

I don't fit everything into a backpack, but I am pretty close to being able to fit my essentials into one of these (and the rest of my stuff into the back of a Jeep Wrangler). I cook a lot am vegan, and love good food, so it's a big deal to me to maintain my cooking.

I have:

• this knife roll which is probably the least minimalist thing I own. You could definitely replace this with a santoku and a sharpening steel.
  
• serving spoon (tucked into the knife roll).
  
• an industrial aluminum saucepan and frying pan with lids (I don't actually have this yet, currently using my roommates' stuff).
  
• aluminum mixing bowl.
  
• a spice dabba (not that one, but something similar).
  
• This butane stove.. This is really the key to the mobility of my setup--all the other stuff makes me minimalist, but it's not mobile if you're using a big stove.
  
• A chunk of oak that I cut and sanded, that fits into the trunk snugly. Stuck on top of the trunk of a car or whatever, this is my tabletop surface for cutting things, etc. This also comes in handy for non-cooking stuff. I think a lot of minimalists overlook this kind of tool, that's very simple but is an under-appreciated part of most people's environment. I put this in the same class as my 100% wool blanket or my tarp (not strictly necessary, but without these kinds of things you'll find yourself struggling or uncomfortable in a lot of situations).
  
• This mess kit.
  
• Stainless steel chopsticks.
  
• French press. If I can ever beat my coffee addiction I'll get rid of this.
  
• A suribachi. This is much more effective for grinding spices than a mortar and pestle. You can get away without this if you're willing to buy pre-ground spices, but fresh ground spices just taste better. Getting rid of this to be more minimalist would be minimalism getting in the way of how I want to live my life.
  
• Salt and pepper mills.
  
  This all takes up about 1/3 of my trunk.
  
  I could probably fit all of this except the board in my backpack, but I wouldn't have room for anything else, so I wouldn't be doing anything except cooking. :)
  
  EDIT: Forgot chopsticks.
  
  EDIT2: I guess the french press is a cooking thing too.
  
  EDIT3: Forgot suribachi.
  
  EDIT4: I'm also considering getting a garlic press, but still on the fence. When making curries I often find myself spending a lot of time mincing garlic and ginger, and using a knife for that is slower and does not result in as finely minced ingredients. I don't think the fineness of the mincing changes the taste that much, but when cooking a complex dish, the time spent mincing can definitely make things difficult.
  
  EDIT5: Forgot salt and pepper mills. :)
  

Maybe someone can help me with a question about stoves. I recently traded for this camp chef stove. It's almost 35 lbs, but that's fine because I also picked up a Jetboil Zip for just backpacking. I'm trying to figure out what cookware to use though.

I hooked up the camp chef yesterday and the flames seem to have a very nice range range of full blast to real low (I was worried they might be too powerful). When I use my Jetboil, I don't want to cook actual food in it, just boil water and then transfer to a package/pot/dish and then mix something instant.

I already have a nice 8" calphalon non stick frying pan - also heavy so I would only use for car camping on the 2 burner. This cookset caught my eye MSR Quick 2 Pot I liked that the smaller pot is non-stick and might be good to take backpacking with the jetboil for easy clean up and mixing instant meals. The bigger pot is then not coated with non stick so I was hoping it would be OK for the more powerful flames of the camp chef explorer or just hanging over a campfire without having to worry about non-stick coating bubbling or flaking. Do you think this pot is too weak for my larger stove? If it can handle a campfire I think it should be OK for 30,000 btu?

This is amazing, thanks. Where do you usually (geographically) camp? I'll try to check you this year. We were at 4:30 and A last year, and will probably be around there again.

That matches what we tried for frying; it just didn't scale for chicken for us. But those tricks for getting a great french fry sound awesome and delicious.

For what it's worth, a generator is an AMAZING investment for a camp like this. Chest freezers are a godsend. And draw shockingly little power.

And by the way, we did a 100% protein menu -- all we served was chicken (drumsticks, because wings had a shitty bone-to-meat ratio and were more of a mess; but plenty of restaurants serve drumsticks and call them wings too...). We wanted to do something decidedly different than other people giving away food, and this is what we settled on. But yes -- food safety and paranoia. Both are REALLY important.

Anyone reading this: He is talking about burners like http://www.amazon.com/Bayou-Classic-Single-Burner-Patio/dp/B0009JXYQ4 for the fryer burner. I own that one for our camp, as well as a http://www.amazon.com/Camp-Chef-Explorer-EX-60LW-2-Burner/dp/B0006VORDY -- the Camp Chef is amazing, by the way. They suck down propane though.

That's an incredibly interesting story!

Feel free to disregard if you don't like blunt advice, but I am just shocked a man of your experience got himself in that situation:

>I was prepared for something like this and it was always my greatest fear while working up there, so I was caching survival gear. I had 10, 3 hour fire logs, 15 gallons of fuel, tarps, rope, shovels, and ax and hatchet, ground cover, a survival kit, extra packs of hand warmers and foot warmers up there in case something like this happened...

>My thermal "Space Blanket"...

If that is your survival gear then you were extremely reckless in getting yourself into that situation, and I'm skeptical that you have the appropriate skill and knowledge to be risking getting caught in that environment -- which should be obvious to you now.

Warmth: What kind of fire logs? Unless they're something I am not familiar with, those should be ditched. They take up way more room and weight than they're worth. Replace those logs with 800+ fill down sleeping bags. Four sleeping bags for you and your passengers will weigh less and take up less space than those logs, and as I'm sure you experienced, those logs are not very effective. Down bags are extremely compressible, and if you set up your tarps(shelter) correctly and get out of the wind they will keep you warm. Space blankets reflect radiant heat (infrared radiation), considering their minimal bulk they're not a bad idea to have with you, but do not rely on them alone. With water, food, and shelter, you can stay a good sleeping bag indefinitely almost anywhere on earth.

Shelter: A single tent pole or hockey stick or anything rigid could have vastly improved your shelter. You would have been just fine inside the helicopter with the aforementioned sleeping bags.

Water/Food: 15 gallons of fuel for what? The bird I assume? I can't speak to that, but you should carry a MSR Whisperlite or similar product, you can feed it fuel from your R44. Keep it out of the wind and it will melt water and make you hot food until you run out of fuel.

Clothing: Jeans. Mountaineers call cotton "death fabric". Cotton is good at soaking up moisture and retaining it, keeping you damp. It is comfortable in the summer because of its evaporative cooling properties, which is why it kills people in the winter. Always have layers: Base, thermal, shell, and as many in between as you can. Unless you're a welder, synthetics fabrics are the best thing since sliced bread.


There have got to be ways of improving the cold weather starting of the R44. Is it the batteries getting to cold and underpowered that's the problem or the torque required to crank the engine once it reaches a certain temperature? Obviously it's a bit of both, but do you have an idea if it's one more than the other?

Call these people and ask them which sleeping bag you need: http://www.westernmountaineering.com

MSR Whisperlite

A map of where you're going, and the knowledge of how to use your map and compass. I see so many people who can't read a map, let alone triangulate their position, think that they're ok if they have it. Silly, really.

As was mentioned before, the cookset is likely overkill especially if you're going solo. My absolute favorite bit of backpacking gear is my Trangia 28T a Swedish-made alcohol stove and cookset that is lightweight, durable, and beautiful. I'm a sucker for anything useful, well-made and attractive and this thing checks all the boxes. I've cooked for 2 by adding a 'grease pot' that the trangia set nests in. Whether you want an alcohol stove is a sort of personal choice, their adherents tend to wax poetical about their simplicity, reliability, and silent operation. All i can say is that after years of using white gas and isobutane blowtorches, it is an absolute pleasure to sit in camp and listen to the birds and the wind in the trees as I wait for water to boil for coffee. Another great thing is that alcohol stoves can be made easily for next to nothing, so if you want to try them out there's very little cost.

Looks like you've got a great start though! Have fun and be safe!

You can also get an Esbit version. They're nice because they can hold a fair bit of fuel in a pretty small package. It comes with a screw top and an O-ring, so you can fill it with fuel, put it out, and seal it back up with no wasted fuel. They're also lightweight, and you can use over the counter rubbing alcohol for fuel - although the BTUs on that sort of stuff might be inferior to other fuels. I don't know.

The only thing I WILL say about them, though, is that I'd recommend keeping it relatively warm in colder weather. I've found that my alcohol stove simply refuses to start if its too cold, and so the last time I went out I kept it in my sleeping bag with me while I slept, and it fired up without much trouble in the morning.

Also would recommend some sort of windscreen, just in case. Esbit does also make another UL stove that uses their fuel tablets, which the alcohol stove can fit into (but getting it lit requires a little extra effort either getting it into the slots, or lighting it while its in the slots).

Of course, there's also always these guys also by Esbit, which you can store the fuel cells in when its folded. The only thing I don't like about them (which take with a giant grain of salt, because I'm 100% an amateur to all of this) is that you're limited with the fuel cell and the length of burn. You don't end up wasting any excess fuel with the alcohol stove. Also, you do get the added benefit, if you're using rubbing alcohol for fuel, of having an antiseptic available in a pinch.

Finally, an option to keep the whole package on the small end, you have these little guys as pot stands. They work great to keep my pot elevated off the stove, but I will say that they do seem to get in the way of the burn a bit and inhibit some of the airflow, but not enough to be a huge issue. They fit into the Esbit alcohol stove perfectly, but again, you might be better off with something that lifts the pot up a bit more for a better burn. I think they're designed to be used with the their own brand of alcohol stove, though, so that's probably why they don't work great.

I've got a chinese knockoff basically identical to this one, but Lixada or one of the other brands.

Works great, burns hot and perfectly uniformly, keeps the pot stable, collapses down and shakes out easily, built well enough, the mesh bag is fine enough to contain the ash dust but not great. Only issue is the folding pot stand bits are pretty stiff to open, and the stamped holes in the bottom aren't perfectly evenly spaced for some reason, but neither is a deal breaker for the price.

I like to have multi-fuel stove to keep my options open. I keep this Bushbox pocket stove in my bug out bag to cook in an emergency. I like it because it takes up almost no space, is very stable, is easy to put together, and can boil water using little more than twigs - no need to expend energy gathering and processing large amounts of fire wood. I use this mess kit to boil water. In case there is no dry wood available, I have a back-up alcohol burner that fits in the stove (a bit snug but works well enough) and I keep some denatured alcohol on hand as an alternative fuel source. There are lots of little burners like this on the market. I went with the Solo option because I would ultimately like to upgrade to the whole solo stove kit, which is cool but currently out of my price range. Finally, I have some Esbit fuel tabs that also work with the stove, but I view these as a last resort because I think they smell terrible! Some people swear by them though.

This set up works great for me as a single person.

Yeah while you don't need a jet engine to stir-fry, I do think gas is preferable to electric. People make do, but I personally just can't stand electric ranges.

This's the burner we use, more or less. It seems slightly different (perhaps even a bit stronger? When I converted our stove's KwH to BTUs I got something a shade over 9k but that one says its 12k), but it's the same company and the same model name.

If you opt for something a shade stronger like this one, 15k BTUs is like literally exactly what a Chinese home kitchen stove is. Smack a wok ring on that for a nice large round bottomed wok and you got basically an ideal set-up imo.

I wanted to have a stove do double-duty. Especially when it came to fuel. I have the MSR Whisperlight International stove. I carry 2 fuel canisters (30oz ea). I had one back when I was backpacking and it never let me down, but sold it when I left Colorado for the midwest where camping just didnt hold up to the Rockies.

It will use Unleaded fuel. As will the bike. So, in case I get stuck somewhere with an empty bike, I can use the stove fuel to get me another 40+ miles to a gas station where I can refuel everything.I have never had any issue with the stove heating water or making soup or rice or anything else, and the burn rate on the gasoline is fairly good, I didnt even use half a tank all year last year camping.


MSR Whisperlight International Stove

MSR Fuel Canisters

No matter what, it will come down to preference. Jet Boil works great, but it is quite a bit larger and you have to have special fuel canisters and all. The MSR is just what I happen to like the best and suits my needs.

You need an adapter, something like this:

https://www.amazon.com/Lixada-Camping-Adapter-Outdoor-Propane/dp/B072QXKVJP/

(Link because photo. Not an endorsement, I haven't actually tried the product and a better or cheaper adapter might be available too.)

The propane canisters are heavy. But you get better cold weather performance.

People use butane because you can save a lot of weight, at the expense of cold weather performance. To mitigate this, they make various blends of butane, iso-butane, and propane.

My personal solution is to refill the lightweight backpacking canisters with cheap ("screwgate") butane from the Korean grocery. I can refill a $7 backpacking fuel can for about $1.50 and it works great for 3 seasons use.

My hiking partner helped out, so to give you an idea, one of us took care of boiling water and cooking the starch (rice & pasta) interchangeably, while the other boiled water and rehydrated the proteins and sauces.
It took about 45-50 minutes to rehydrate each meal, but we had plenty of daylight left and I used my awesome Emberlit titanium stove to save on isobutane. I just kept on feeding it dry twigs inside a fire ring.

I didn't mind the time it took as it was one of the highlights of our trip aside from all the amazing Roosevelt elk and wild life we saw at every turn.

Cooking - Butane burner, no home should be without one. They're like $20 and the fuel is cheap to be used for a night or so. If you have a local asian supermaket, pick one up! If you don't amazon is your friend.

https://www.amazon.com/GS-1000-Portable-Automatic-Ignition-Carrying/dp/B01MYGMO6M/ref=sr_1_5?ie=UTF8&qid=1517847510&sr=8-5&keywords=butane+burner


This... this kind of takes care of cooking.

I'm sure that it doesn't need to be said, but candles are a thing that every household should have. It's not going to heat up a space dramatically, but in the cold of winter, every little bit helps.

https://simplefamilypreparedness.com/homemade-space-heater/

and... well, you have solar running around, a solar powered refrigerator/freezer could help offset food storage in the long term and takes the worry out of charging your communication tools like cellphones and what not. That and provides lights, which is always helpful!

How small? Iso canister stoves are basically the standard for hiking - something like this as a small, cheap and light stove, which screws straight on to a fuel canister like this. You can also opt for white fuel stoves like this one if international fuel availability or extreme cold weather performance matters. They use refillable fuel bottles that come in various sizes to meet your need. Finally, alcohol stoves are fairly popular as a lightweight, if slower, option - I have this one, though plenty of people make their own from aluminum or tin cans. Fuel can be carried in pretty much whatever, since you just pour some into the stove before use.

It's an MSR fuel bottle for their liquid fuel camping stoves. They come in 3 different sizes, the one he's using is the 30 oz. The stoves run on white gas, kerosene and gasoline and have an excellent safety seal. Used one for my 6 month camping adventure around the US =)

1500 watts - are you joking? I suppose if you want to also purchase a dedicated portable generator for this thing you could use it.... or you could just build a cheap portable wood burning stove using everyday items. If you aren't mechanically inclined, I suppose you could just buy one here for less than half of the electric heater AND you can use it for cooking as well as staying warm.

I'd tend to stay away from anything that draws more energy than you can generate yourself without relying on the grid (which the NSA has just determined that China could disable quickly and remotely through cyber attacks).

I really like the sawyer water filter. Whatever you get, the best thing you can do is fill up a 'dirty water' container in the middle of the lake, and use that to refill your gravity filter. Over 5 gallons starts to get tricky to bring back into the canoe. We tend to pour the filtered water directly into a container rather than use a 'clean' bag. Pro tip - if you are boiling water for cooking, you don't need to filter it. Just use that big jug of fairly clean water you pulled from a good distance from shore.

As a pot, a 9 cup coffee peculator works really well for just boiling water. Bonus as it also acts as a peculator - heat water in another pot, then poor over the filter/grinds rather than wait for a full boil to peculate. I'll usually pack a 600ml pot that heats smaller amounts of water and doubles as my coffee cup. Nice to have a single walled cup you can set on the fire grate.

For the morning oatmeal, I just pack in a paper bowl. Easy cleanup in the fire.

Depending on how many days, a canister style stove is hard to beat for groups of four. Longer trips, or trips with more people, a white gas stove starts to work out better. There is an entire cult around building beer can stoves, but they tend to be a bit slow for 4 hungry people.

We tend to do a fair bit of freeze dried foods when we go. A long handled spoon - either from a DQ malt or something fancy titanium works nicely for eating directly out of the bag. No real cleanup.

I'm packing in an $0.88 pizza pan as an aluminum surface to cook fish if it is over the fire, an aluminum foil pouch for in the fire. Semi-disposable Tupperware works nicely to keep crackers from getting crushed in a pack.

Going in this weekend as well. Will be in the bars in Ely the Friday night before. Possibly see you in that corner of the world!

If it needs to be very compact, for something like a BOB, I really like my little solid fuel tablet stove. I have this one. They also make ones that use a little can of fuel.

If you're looking to replace a campfire and it doesn't need to be tiny, you may be able to use something like a Smokey Joe BBQ. When the national forest around here has a "no ground fires" decree, the Smokey Joe does alright, and isn't considered a ground fire.

Then of course there's the good 'ol Coleman camp stoves and similar. Or a Rocket Stove that uses bits of wood.

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Friend of mine busted out one of these yesterday, was really effective, no gas taste, and looks super cool.

He uses it with a coleman propane tank using this adapter.

Out here in the West, we cannot burn fires right now. Usually, however, this is not the case. I usually use a fire for all my heating needs. I stumbled across this and thought it innovative.

I use this. It is 12 oz, so a little heavy. However, I can cook and boil at the same time if need be.

This is also cool.

But if you really want to go super light, make sure your kettle or pot does not have any plastic or silicone parts, and that you have a towel or a glove to touch it when it is hot. Make a stick stand or a tripod with twine or cordage and hang the kettle or pot from it....or... take a flat rock and place in the middle of the fire, setting the pot on top of it. The latter method takes some technique and will require a lot of fire monitoring to keep the flames where they need to be. You also need a perfect rock.

Not an apartment or condo, but I do have a 2 burner propane grill that I use on my bedroom balcony for when i'm feeling extra fat and don't want to leave my bedroom or when it's too damn hot to cook inside. It's this model and you can buy extra accessories like this BBQ grill. I mainly use my cast iron skillets and this griddle.

It's super convenient because it doesn't take up much room and you can remove the legs and store it easily.

Looks great for a single source of heat!

BTW, when we were tearing our kitchen out, I set up a couple tables on the back patio and bought a butane stove similar to this one. It'll take a bit to boil a huge pot of water or some such, but it was really handy and worked surprisingly well for how cheap it was. I still use it occasionally.

And while I'm on the topic, I might mention I also bought a couple bus tubs to do the washing in. One had hot, soapy water for scrubbing, one was for rinsing.

It actually wasn't too bad a set up.

Yes, they come with a "heater". Essentially a flat packet containing chemicals that react with water causing heat. Link You put your food envelope in the heater bag, add water, wait a bit, and boom semi hot, slightly more appealing "food" ;)

And yup, I believe all the food packets in the ARK require hot water.

This is what I have You can use HEET, the automotive fuel conditioner (red bottle, not yellow) I believe they are safe for indoor use.

Solid fuel you can get something like this I don't think these are supposed to be used indoors.

I just bought the Esbit CS985HA 5-Piece Lightweight Trekking Cook Set with Brass Alcohol Burner Stove and 2 Anodized Aluminum Pots. It's on a UPS truck somewhere on its way to me now.

I bought it to meet two requirements. I wanted to be able to store my alcohol in my stove and be able to turn the stove off without burning all the alcohol. I also wanted everything to fit inside a cooking pot. This set had all that in one self contained unit at a reasonable price (it was $40 when I bought it, now it's listed at $47) and pretty good reviews. Amazon is telling me I'll have it by Wednesday.

For a portable grill I really like this one. It all stores in a small tube. I use it even when I'm car camping as I like that I can wrap a paper towel around it and throw it in with the rest of my gear without too much fuss.

Fair warning, it takes a bit to put it together, but I consider it a bit of a Zen moment while I thread all of the supports in place. A beer usually helps.

It's sturdier than it looks which puts it a bit on the heavy side. But if you're carrying an ice chest on your back, this will be nothing.

Grill in action

Personally, I steer clear of stoves requiring you to bring fuel. Generally, I have fuel all around me.

So, I carry this out: https://www.amazon.com/Ohuhu-Camping-Stainless-Backpacking-Potable/dp/B0125U36Q2

It's really nice, since it really runs well on scraps: Pine cones, twigs, leaves, etc etc. There are few places I go where I cannot at least obtain that on the ground.

It even handles wet fuel well, due to the rocket stove design.

Unless you plan on eating out all the time (which will get expensive really fast in Europe) you will want to carry some kind of stove and a pot.

This one is cheap and very popular. This set with two small pots included also seems nice. If you can't order from amazon you can also find them on eBay and the other usual Chinese sellers.

An other alternative would be an alcohol stove. Either selfmade from a soda can or something like a Trangia mini.

Tried this stove out for 4 day hike, and it worked great. Same design as the penny stove but the built in stand is awesome and at 1oz, it's hard to beat.

is it possible to heat with a wood stove using a window stove pipe kit? Something like this would set up really easy and heat really well. https://www.amazon.com/TMS-Portable-Military-Camping-Ice-fishing/dp/B002XNWC8A/ref=pd_sbs_468_4/131-0161893-0365920?_encoding=UTF8&pd_rd_i=B002XNWC8A&pd_rd_r=dfac21e8-10bd-4e5b-8b19-3ef04686d8a6&pd_rd_w=moH1a&pd_rd_wg=VXKVa&pf_rd_p=43281256-7633-49c8-b909-7ffd7d8cb21e&pf_rd_r=3GE8R0MDMX8V0C45T55P&psc=1&refRID=3GE8R0MDMX8V0C45T55P

I have this stove and it's perfect for car camping trips. I've used all sorts of stoves, but I prefer this one - has it's own legs to set up anywhere, can use a big propane tank for longer trips (plus cheap refills) or if you have a lot to cook, and Pumps out the heat. Been using it for a few years now and it's always worked perfect.

https://www.amazon.com/Camp-Chef-EX60LW-Explorer-Outdoor/dp/B0006VORDY

You can also just buy a portable stove or a can of Sterno at a grocery store. It'd be much cheaper than burning alcohol in the long run. Can also get a much more efficient alcohol stove with adjustable flame on Amazon for about $20: http://amzn.com/B008VZ91WO

Fun to make your own though but there are much better options.

I'm still using commercial dehydrated meals (Mountain House, Backpackers pantry, etc). But I'm going to start dehydrating my own and using these http://www.amazon.com/dp/B00D7OD22E/ref=wl_it_dp_o_pC_nS_ttl?_encoding=UTF8&colid=2MJ9S17NXHLXY&coliid=I2UVR9UOU1TYOD&psc=1
I really don't like washing stuff so I prefer the boil-in-bag method. Speaking of, I also use a Toaks long handle spoon because it works well with eating from a bag.

Water filtration I use a Platypus Gravityworks 2L system when I'm solo, and the 4L when I'm with others.

My current cookware is the Esbit alcohol stove and pot - http://www.amazon.com/Esbit-Lightweight-Trekking-Anodized-Aluminum/dp/B001UEL76Q/ref=sr_1_5?ie=UTF8&qid=1458441950&sr=8-5&keywords=esbit+stove

Snacks can vary - trailmix, jerkey, etc. but I always have at least 1 Snickers with me because they're awesome. And filling.

Good luck to her! I'm sure she'll have a killer time. I think she will find that a lot of people will bring stoves to events like this, even if it is a alcohol stove that you can fit in your pocket.

I tried this multiple times and could never get the pieces to fit together correctly. Somehow, the aluminum always tore when fitting the top and bottom together. Finally, I just bought one. It was worth the $25 to have a good quality stove made from sturdy titanium that weighs less than two ounces.

Camp Chef stoves are awesome. I have one of these with the griddle add-ons. I love it for the big campout each year, when I'm the defacto cook for a whole mess of people.

Butane Propane dual burner:

https://www.amazon.com/GS-3900P-Portable-Convenient-Carrying-Powerful/dp/B01N1RO9WG/ref=sr_1_3?ie=UTF8&qid=1542457344&sr=8-3&keywords=butane+propane+stove

https://www.amazon.com/GS-3400P-Portable-Backpacking-Emergency-Preparedness/dp/B01HQRD8EO/ref=sr_1_4?ie=UTF8&qid=1542457344&sr=8-4&keywords=butane+propane+stove

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I got later one. Super practical, I can take it outside to cook. Mostly use Butane. You can buy 12 bottles on amazon.

One bottle gets me about one-two weeks of use.

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This is what I've been using this past season, it's a great small wood gasifying stove. I've never thought about it before, but I suppose it would make a good windbreak for a gas stove as it a three piece system. If the basket were removed, the base and combustion chamber would be a hollow cylinder.

https://www.amazon.com/dp/B0125U36Q2/ref=cm_sw_r_cp_apa_crBpyb84RD9H7

Is this the type of rocket stove you were talking about?

With fuel like twigs and leaves, how did it provide you with heat long enough to cook anything? What did your meals consist of? Thanks.

I'd honestly recommend just buying one of these.

$20, solid construction, cap that screws on and can store your leftover fuel.

https://www.amazon.com/dp/B008VZ91WO?psc=1

I frequently use this in conjuction with one of these:

https://www.amazon.com/dp/B01BPUEGNK/ref=olp_product_details?_encoding=UTF8&me=

It acts as a solid wind screen and can easily be fed with sticks and twigs if you run out of fuel.

When collapsed, the entire set up can slide into your back pocket.

Re #5, I'd settled on making my own alcohol stove, but then realized I needed a lightweight pot -- found this Esbit and I've loved using it.

This probably answers most of your questions. I would do a dry run of setting up your tent when you get it so you know what you are doing before you get to the camp site. Bring any tools you might need for this (usually a hammer/mallet so you can knock in the tent pegs to keep it attached to the ground.) Look up the campground you want to visit and make a reservation. I'm pretty sure all the green pass sites have an online reservation system. Most campsites allow fires but will have restrictions/rules regarding them. Make sure you figure those out once you decide on where you want to reserve. I have a pack grill I always bring with me. You can throw it over any kind of fire pit they might have there. Sometimes they have grills there for you to use. Otherwise grab a sleeping bag, some clothes, your food and water and have fun!

My car camping stove is a Gas One GS-3900P. It simmers well, but I got it because it puts out an incredible amount of heat. If you want to save on bulk, you can use a butane canister inside it instead of using an external propane tank, but keep in mind that butane has some downsides compared to propane.

First answer this - 'What are you prepping for?' Do you live in a hurricane/tornado prone area? Do you expect to be out of power/water for any length of time? Start by preparing for expected emergency like loss of power for a few days, and work your way up to the unexpected.

Prepping should also be about being frugal. There's no point in going out and buying stuff just to have it. It should be something you could/will use. Start off by picking several canned food items you normally eat and making note of how much they cost. Then, when they are on sale, buy several extra. Date them, and stash them away. Remember to rotate them into your pantry before buying more. If you do this, soon you'll have several days or weeks worth of food, for not much expense. Just be sure to check it like once a week and rotate/restock it. We were without power for 11 days during hurricane Ike, and having food handy (and a stove like this one ) REALLY made life much more comfortable.

Another biggie is water. Do you have a pool? You shouldn't drink it, but you could use that for washing and to flush the toilets. Storing water long term is a whole other topic, but do your homework and get several gallons. Same rule applies as the food - date and rotate.

Create a Zombie bag. And no, I don't mean in case of ACTUAL zombies (if you're worried about them, you have bigger issues). I mean a folder or bag with a copy of all your important docs (Driver license, credit cards - both sides, marriage/birth certs, SS, etc) Put 20-50 bucks in there each payday till you have enough to keep yourselves feed, hotel, gas, etc for several days. Also, you should have a copy of whatever account numbers with contact info, passwords, etc you might need to access bank accounts, etc while at a friends, hotel, or on the road. Of course, it should be somewhere SAFE!!!! but quickly accessible if you have to dash unexpectedly. Think what it would take to keep going or recreate your life if you lost everything in a fire. Don't assume you'll have your purse. Have a backup of everything.

Do you go camping? If not, try an overnight trip. Look at what you actually use, and what you bring and could do without. Surviving comfortable for a couple days will teach you a lot about what you should stock up on.

Maybe consider something like this if you are looking to save on some space.

https://www.amazon.com/WoodFlame-Lightweight-Burning-Backpacking-Stainless/dp/B01BPUEGNK/ref=lp_3400951_1_2?s=outdoor-recreation&ie=UTF8&qid=1486007474&sr=1-2-spons&psc=1

You mention the Trangia. Have you looked into the Trangia Mini kit? It comes with a windshield that acts as a pot stand, and works pretty well for boiling water.

Don't know what you can pack yet this might help. I have several of them. Also look into camping cooking gear. It will be small, lightweight and easy to carry.

Not to mention aluminum beverage cans actually have an inner plastic/rubberized liner to keep the beverage from contacting aluminum which would impart a bad taste. This liner is dissolving in your fuel and you are cooking over it? Also don't make beer can chicken because of this reason, you don't want to heat a BPA liner. They are inert at low temps but add a solvent or high temp and its a different story.

I have one of these for a portable camping stove... really awesome. Packs down to almost nothing and only requires wood or you can carry alcohol to burn.

I don't have one, or know anyone who does. Sorry. My first impression is that this is very cool tech, but I wonder about the weight for backpacking. Two pounds is a lot. The advantage, of course, is that one does not need to carry fuel for the stove, sticks and twigs are available everywhere.

How much will the lack of fuel matter to weight? A trangia or similar alcohol stove like this Solo Alcohol stove is much, much lighter, only 3.5 oz. and fuel is only a couple of ounces.

A Solo Stove weighs 9 ounces, but lacks the fan that makes the fire burn more quickly, and it doesn't charge your phone. For the cost of the Biolite, and the weight, I'd go with other options.

Here is the 3-piece version. It might also be a little smaller. I still like chrisbenson and genericdude's ideas about breaking it down to just the most basic components to save weight.

EDIT: Here's the 3-piece cheaper at REI.

I always bring my super small portable bbq some charcoal, bacon, wraps, onions, peppers, and jerk sauce. Much nicer and cheaper than the food available on site.

Thanks for the write up. Why not just use an alcohol or camp stove? Like one of these (much bigger cone): https://www.amazon.com/dp/B01MYGMO6M/ref=cm_sw_r_cp_api_i_qFZwDbF0YRDAQ

http://www.amazon.com/Vargo-T-301-Triad-Alcohol-Stove/dp/B000AXVOLQ/ref=sr_1_13?s=sporting-goods&ie=UTF8&qid=1418437318&sr=1-13

Few cents more with free shipping on amazon. I've never seen something on mass-drop that was actually competitively priced.

https://www.amazon.com/GS-1000-Portable-Automatic-Ignition-Carrying/dp/B01MYGMO6M/

This butane stove works perfectly.

I use something like this if I don't have access to my electric burner. When I'm camping though I'll just place them in the heart of the campfire and use some long tongs to remove them.

Go to a camping/outdoor store or a restaurant supply store and pick up a butane burner:

http://www.amazon.com/Deluxe-Butane-Burner-Stove-Free/dp/B000BVC4NY

It's what restaurants use for omelet stations. Works great.

https://www.amazon.com/Coleman-Sportster-Dual-1-Burner-Stove/dp/B0009PUQAU

I have this stove, it's only ever ran on 87 pump gas. Boils great, 87 is a lot higher octane than Naptha, or white fuel, so it ends up a bit sootier than using Coleman Fuel.

You need to look up the specs of your specific stove though. There are different combinations of multi-fuel.

You have matches and steel cup that's perfect for cooking but what are you going to cook it on? Your hand will get fairly hot quickly if you're just holding the cup over the fire.

Think about some sort of stove system.

https://www.amazon.com/WoodFlame-Lightweight-Burning-Backpacking-Stainless/dp/B01BPUEGNK/ref=sr_1_8?ie=UTF8&qid=1473563835&sr=8-8&keywords=camping+wood+stove

Also, think about throwing in some cheap Bic lighters just in case.

I have one of these I've used a few times. Super lightweight and gets the job done. http://www.amazon.com/UCO-Grilliput-Portable-Camping-9-Inch/dp/B000980JMW/ref=sr_1_2?ie=UTF8&qid=1462917629&sr=8-2&keywords=portable+camping+grill

Butane camp stoves are super cheap, cans of fuel are $2-3 and last quite a while. I've switched to bringing just this, and a pot and pan.

I don't own one but I think the Emberlit Camping Stove is better, as it is cheaper and folds flat.

You can also get an adapter that will let you use the green camping propane canisters in jetboils and other stoves. It won't work well in the cold or high elevations, but cheap and good enough for this use.

Is it really discrimination when you can go to Amazon or half a dozen local retailers and buy yourself a gas powered burner and a gas bottle? They're banning natural gas because of PG&E blowing up and burning down cities while inefficiently burning carbon, not because they hate Indian and Chinese food.

go to an asian grocery store and buy one of these. they are pretty cheap and small. now you can cook at a park or something.

I’m pretty sure indoor use would easily start a fire, but here’s a good one (https://www.amazon.com/Esbit-Lightweight-Trekking-Anodized-Aluminum/dp/B001UEL76Q/ref=as_li_ss_tl?)

Edit: also ventilate the room well, any alcohol will make poisonous gases when burnt

The easiest setup is a stainless steel cup that doubles as a bowl and a pot you can cook in, a spork, and your camp knife. For cleaning, maybe some camp soap, a bandana, and a tiny scrubber (or a bit of sponge). A cheap flexible cutting board is handy, too.

If you have multiple people, a small pot can cook food for 2-4 people. I own a cheap gasifying wood stove that weighs less than a pound and is fueled by kindling and small sticks; it can fully cook a stew for 2-4 people on just two loads of twigs

What type stove are you looking for? Is it primarily solo trips?

I use a couple esbit stoves (one is tab only, one is tab/alcohol), a couple small fire stoves, and the etekcity stove if I'm taking my canister.

Here is my primary kit -
https://www.amazon.com/Esbit-Lightweight-Trekking-Anodized-Aluminum/dp/B001UEL76Q/ pot and tab/alcohol stove plus i add this...

https://www.amazon.com/Etekcity-Ultralight-Portable-Backpacking-Ignition/dp/B00B4FY8YO/ canister stove

It works for me for up to 3 people, a large canister fits in the pot (if you remove the tab and alcohol stoves) along with my cooking extras (salt/pepper, couple tea bags, via packets, true lemon packs, lighter, tinder, couple mayo packs, candle) and the canister stove.

If I'm going solo I take the alcohol (tabs and heet) stove and a fire stove as backup. Sometimes I solo with this smaller pot and tab stove and fire as backup.

https://www.amazon.com/Esbit-CS585HA-3-Piece-Lightweight-Camping/dp/B001UERXOQ/

All these could be had for less than $50 and give many options to tailor the trip.

Good luck!

Gas ONE GS-3900P New Dual Fuel Propane or Butane Portable Stove with Brass Burner Head, Dual Spiral Flame 15,000 BTU Gas Stove with Convenient Carrying Case Most Powerful Heat Output Stove https://www.amazon.com/dp/B01N1RO9WG/ref=cm_sw_r_cp_apa_2rMXBbXF29WQF

The Coghlans pack grill is good.

https://www.amazon.co.uk/Coghlans-8770-Pack-Grill-Metallic/dp/B001OPHA0S/ref=cts_sp_1_vtp?pf_rd_m=A3P5ROKL5A1OLE&pf_rd_p=1212178027&pf_rd_r=VT8SDGE43BE6FTZZY0G9&pd_rd_wg=2juPk&pf_rd_s=desktop-detail-softlines&pf_rd_t=40701&pd_rd_i=B001OPHA0S&pd_rd_w=TsTxH&pf_rd_i=desktop-detail-softlines&pd_rd_r=VT8SDGE43BE6FTZZY0G9&_encoding=UTF8

Check out reviews on it on youtube .

I scraped an eventually got it lit. After 4-5 full REI stormproof matches. I was using a esbit stove/ potholder similar to the link below and a good folding windscreen. I vowed to never use them in cold weather again. Only alcohol or ISO.
http://www.amazon.com/Esbit-CS585HA-3-Piece-Lightweight-Camping/dp/B001UERXOQ/ref=sr_1_2?ie=UTF8&qid=1426738355&sr=8-2&keywords=esbit+stove

Amazon has it on sale right now if you're interested

that looks like a ripoff of the Grilliput, lots of places sell it:

http://www.amazon.com/UCO-Grilliput-Portable-Camping-Grill/dp/B000980JMW

Dude, you should get a propane hot plate so you can at least make some eggs or hotdogs and stuff like that.

As far as I know, you use a different kind of alcohol for fuel. A lot of campers use these for a lightweight, portable stove option.

Something like this is a good option:
http://www.amazon.com/gp/aw/d/B004RHPSMM?pc_redir=1414050109&robot_redir=1

Looks like it's probably this one.
http://www.amazon.com/gp/aw/d/B002XNWC8A/ref=mp_s_a_1_14?ie=UTF8&qid=1527341415&sr=8-14&pi=AC_SX236_SY340_FMwebp_QL65&keywords=wood+burning+stove

If you have the technology to tap threads, you could run your locking rods through to the outside of your square tubes and put wingnuts on the ends to hold everything together. If you don't have taps, you could replace these with threaded rods, but be careful of zinc coatings.

There is a commercial version called the Grilliput, but it's basically the same as what you've done. Probably lighter though.

It looks pretty flimsy :/ If I was to get a "lightweight" grill for camping I would just get this.

Coo.

If you don't have a cooker or lantern already I can recommend this and this. They both run on shellite ($20 for 4L) or unleaded petrol in a pinch (I think in America you call it 'gas' -- No idea how you differentiate between petrol and LPG tho :P).

I used to use this one when I had my bayou classic 11 gallon kettle and it worked just fine. I have a 15 gallon now that wouldn't fit on it so I had to upgrade.

https://www.amazon.com/Camp-Chef-Explorer-EX-60LW-2-Burner/dp/B0006VORDY/ref=sr_1_3?ie=UTF8&qid=1486488237&sr=8-3&keywords=two+burner+camping+stove

If you want to buy something, you can get small and light portable stoves, or if you want smaller and lighter there are roll up stoves and chimneys that pack small but are quite a bit more expensive.

As others have said, yes, different fuel brands are interchangeable as long as they have Lindal valves.

I have an Optimus Crux and also use it for car camping because I'm a minimalist. Recently, I was running low on fuel and none of the stores in the area had Lindal fitting canisters but they all had the larger 1 lb. canisters with a larger fitting. When I got home, i bought this adapter to use in case I was in that situation again.

If you want a cheap wood burning stove these are cheap as dirt but you have to buy more piping to use it indoors.

A camp stove. amazon link

L-link

http://www.amazon.com/MERKWARES-SS6510210-Emberlit-Wood-burning-Portable/dp/B00ADUYW9M

GAS ONE GS-1000 7,650 BTU Portable Butane Gas Stove Automatic Ignition with Carrying Case, CSA Listed (Stove) https://www.amazon.com/dp/B01MYGMO6M

I use a Trangia alcohol stove for this, mostly for boiling water for dehydrated backpacking food and for coffee/tea. I take it camping but also on not-too-hard day hikes and on picnics or beach days. I got this kit initially but I've substituted in a GSI kettle and added a windscreen (which is essential). There are lighter alcohol stoves out there (buy or make your own) which is what I would get if I had to replace this. I like the whole alcohol stove thing since it's simple and durable and the fuel is cheap and common.

https://www.amazon.com/Solo-Stove-Alcohol-Burner-Backpacking/dp/B008VZ91WO

This

https://www.amazon.com/TMS-Portable-Military-Camping-Ice-fishing/dp/B002XNWC8A/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1486318287&sr=8-1&keywords=wood+burning+stove

This grill from UCO/Amazon is similar, check it out

http://www.amazon.com/UCO-Grilliput-Portable-Camping-Grill/dp/B000980JMW

I have one of these: https://www.amazon.com/Camp-Chef-Camping-Outdoor-Burner/dp/B0013LLSZG/ref=sr_1_9?keywords=coleman+oven+grill&qid=1557775283&s=gateway&sr=8-9

And one of these:

https://www.amazon.com/Proctor-Silex-34103-Fifth-Burner/dp/B073R9TCP3/ref=sxin_2_ac_d_pm?keywords=hot+plate&pd_rd_i=B073R9TCP3&pd_rd_r=4ee7b29a-7cfd-46b2-86cc-e1a18755718f&pd_rd_w=zlJR8&pd_rd_wg=YxhxO&pf_rd_p=5cc8abfe-8f78-4f34-b19f-d09d6ea0dca4&pf_rd_r=P99QWN38FYTV01DEXED0&qid=1557775321&s=gateway

plus one of these:

https://www.amazon.com/GS-1000-Portable-Automatic-Ignition-Carrying/dp/B01MYGMO6M/ref=sr_1_3?crid=1VPXER597IZZ1&keywords=butane+stove&qid=1557775343&s=gateway&sprefix=butane+%2Caps%2C210&sr=8-3

To be used at any time. I also have a propane griddle and a sous vide. They may or may not travel with me, depending on a lot, but that's what I use.

https://www.amazon.com/TMS-Portable-Military-Camping-Ice-fishing/dp/B002XNWC8A

Try it out yourself.

You got er, man

my condolences. have you considered this?

http://www.amazon.com/GAS-ONE-List-Portable-Stove/dp/B001TF8UY8

Coghlans 8770 Pack Grill https://www.amazon.com/dp/B001OPHA0S/ref=cm_sw_r_cp_api_K6jjyb7EE1RFC

If you want to stay relatively cheap, go with Esbit cook stove. I just bought one and it worked out amazingly. I made my own windscreen by buying a disposable aluminum cookie sheet from Target for about $1.50 and rolled it flat with a rolling pin. Then i just rolled it into a tube and stuffed it in my pack. It worked well this weekend in the crazy 50mph winds up in the mountain.

it's a normal titanium camping kettle (http://www.amazon.com/GSI-Outdoors-Halulite-Kettle-Ounce/dp/B0018BLKOU/ref=sr_1_1?s=sporting-goods&ie=UTF8&qid=1367895130&sr=1-1&keywords=Titanium+camp+kettle) and I used a mini camp stove http://www.amazon.com/Emberlit-Camping-Stove-Stainless-Steel/dp/B00ADUYW9M/ref=sr_1_20?s=sporting-goods&ie=UTF8&qid=1367895198&sr=1-20&keywords=Folding+camp+stove

Edit: if the links don't work it's a emberlit camp stove and a GSI outdoor halulite tea kettle

https://www.amazon.com/UCO-Grilliput-Portable-Camping-9-Inch/dp/B000980JMW/ref=sr_1_9?ie=UTF8&qid=1526397301&sr=8-9&keywords=backpacking+grill

http://www.amazon.com/gp/aw/d/B0006VORDY/ref=mp_s_a_1_1?qid=1458592408&sr=8-1&pi=SY200_QL40&keywords=outdoor+cooking+stove&dpPl=1&dpID=41-a21yRppL&ref=plSrch

I've used this before and it works amazingly.

I'm kind of a hippie and don't want any fossil fuels so we went for this on lightning sale at $13 https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B0125U36Q2/ref=oh_aui_detailpage_o00_s00?ie=UTF8&psc=1

I'm not sure about this particular one, but I guess you can't really get much more heat out of the same amount of fuel anyways, so the difference is probably just the speed you burn fuel and heat water.

I got about 10-15 uses out of 500ml bottles of ethanol(-mixes) bought at pharmacies/drugstores. I would cook 250g spaghetti, by breaking them, submerging them in my ~900ml pot and getting the water to boil shortly and after that I just set the pot aside and waited about 10-15 minutes without burning any more fuel.

The camp stove came with a 5' 'chimney' with a spark arrestor at the top. We had to modify the tent by adding a stove jack just to one side of the peak of the tent. (In the first photo in the album you can just notice the stove pipe coming out next to the peak) Stove jacks are available to purchase and sew in, however we DYI'ed ours using a fiberglass fire blanket with silicone coating to hold the fibers together post cutting and while sewing in.

I've used one around the home for most of my life... cooking at the table is very popular in Asian cultures (Hotpot, BBQ, Shabu-Shabu), which is why you can easily find the canisters at Asian markets. But even though I have one, I've never bothered to bring it out of the house.

They use butane canisters, so they're not great when the weather gets cooler (less than 40F). The stove's ratings are also on the lower side at 7650 BTUs, and that will decrease with the temperature. In comparison, the MSR Pocket Rocket is listed as 8200 BTUs, my Coleman propane dual-burner is 15,000 BTUs and unaffected by colder weather. If I were going to buy one today, I'd consider the Camp Chef Everest which puts out 20,000 BTUs per burner. If you're actually cooking, and need to leave a pot on the stove for any length of time, dual burner stoves with built in wind screens make it so much easier.

Generally when I'm car camping, I'm cooking for several people and the big dual burner stove makes it so much easier, cooking pancakes, eggs and hash browns on one big griddle using both burners. We often have more than one dual-burner stove, but can also use our backpacking stoves and Jetboils for heating water for coffee and hot cocoa.

If there's only two of us, I can get by fine with a canister stove like the MSR PR (and Jetboil for drinks). It's a little more difficult to "cook" on an MSR PR since it's not as stable as a table-top stove, but it's much lighter to pack.

Melburnian mentions the Coleman Sportster 2 dual fuel stove. I've got an older model (40 years old?) that is sitting in the shed. It works fine (at least on white gas), but it's bulky, heavy, requires pumping (and more pumping and more pumping)... if I'm forced to pump, I'd rather bring along the MSR Whisperlite International which is lighter, more compact and also burn a variety of fuels.

I use a portable butane stove like this. Butane is not the best option (they make a propane version) especially at altitude but I have used it at 8500' and it still works. I use old pots and pans that I have had laying around.

I've used the Biolite, and the fan function is ridiculous. It burns through SO much fuel (this is a good and bad thing). I'm probably going to end up with this.

Small butane stoves like this one get stupid hot and the fuel cells last a long time. You could also just get a hot plate or something.

Unfortunately not any I know of.

If you're looking for cheap and abundant fuel, I like the Vargo hexagon wood stove that I use on occasion for it's weightless and limitless free fuel. The stainless steel version is reasonably priced and the weight doesn't really matter on a bike.

If cheapness is paramount, make an alcohol burner (see http://zenstoves.net/ - I prefer something of the "super cat" style), and carry a gallon of denatured alcohol for $8 from the hardware store. A gallon of fuel takes up a lot of space in bike luggage, so maybe go for the smaller 1 qt cans and buy a new one at hardware stores along the way.

As for using petrol, it's stinky and messy. Unless you can rig some kind of stove to heat off your exhaust, I'd avoid it. And if your bike's tank is like mine, the baffles might make it difficult to siphon unless you've got a nearly full tank. But, if you insist, there are cheap knockoffs of the MSR products here and a knockoff coleman but for the same prices as the real thing.

Gasifier wood stoves do the same thing without the electricity by recirculating hot air. They are much lighter and consume less fuel. I find the whole electrical part of it to be less natural and bad feng shui for camping.

https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B0125U36Q2/ref=ox_sc_act_title_1?smid=A2KDBGPI4VU5M7&psc=1

There's nothing cool about it, it's an 18lb waste of space.

It has 132 square inches of grill top. This has nearly double the grill space if you have a family to feed, or if you are okay with smaller for 1-2 people? This is the standard go-to grill for camping

Burners. Is 30k BTU enough? I need to get a burner and am looking at getting a Explorer Camp stove so it can at least multi-task / allow for others to brew with me if they don't have their own burner.

http://www.amazon.com/Camp-Chef-Explorer-EX-60LW-2-Burner/dp/B0006VORDY

Specs out at 30k BTU per burner I know a lot of the other brewer specific single burners are a lot higher. Should I worry or will this get the job done?

Water System:

-Sawyer Micro Squeeze w/ adaptor for back flushing
($45.40 on Amazon )

-2L Evernew Water Bag
($15.82 on Amazon )

-2 1L Smart Water Bottles ($5)

Cook Set:

-Toaks Titanium 900 ml pot
( $60.81 on Amazon )

-Light My Fire Spork
( $3.56 on Amazon )

Or, you could use a long handled spork to reach into dehydrated meal bags, e.g. Boundless Voyage, Toaks, Snow Peak, etc (More Expensive)

A cheap disposable option is a Dairy Queen large spoon if you don’t require a fork.

-Optional hot drink mug: GSI Infinity Backpackers Mug
( $11.09 on Amazon )

Stove:

Alcohol Options:

• DIY cat stove with integrated pot holder (go on YouTube)
  
  -Trangia or Titanium alcohol stove e.g. Vargo Triad
  
  -Make a DIY beer can or aluminum flashing windscreen (YouTube)
  
  [You need to make sure that the alcohol stove has a snuffer cap if a fire ban is in effect]
  
  [If you use an alcohol stove, you will need a leakproof fuel bottle- check MEC, Litesmith, or use an old fuel stabilizer bottle]
  
  [In Canada, good alcohol fuels are Methyl Hydrate and Captain Phab Marine Stove Fuel]
  
  Gas Stoves:
  
  I don’t use a gas stove, however, here are a few I have heard of that are more affordable.
  
  
• MSR Pocket Rocket 2
  ($59.95 on Amazon )
  
  
• BRS Titanium Burner
  ($20.93 on Amazon )
  
  

I haven't tried it yet, but I have both the firebox nano and an alcohol stove (one of the Esbit stoves). If no one comes through for you, OP, I could run some tests this weekend.

Innanzitutto bushcraft è un termine inglese che in italiano si traduce con "campeggio abusivo"

Io lo faccio (massimo due giorni, con record di tre, poi mi serve una doccia). l'ho fatto pure in mezzo alla neve, cosa che non raccomando a nessuno credevo di dovermi amputare i mignolini dei piedi.

La cosa più complicata è trovare un posto dove puoi accendere un fuoco. O meglio il posto non esiste perché in Italia è illegale praticamente ovunque che io sappia, devi trovare un posto dove nessuno ti becca. Allo stesso modo dormire in un posto a caso è di solito illegale, in certe regioni è legale dormire solo una notte a patto di non sporcare (ma per questo non serve una legge giusto?)

Una volta trovato il posto è tutto in discesa, vai la, monti la tenda, accendi il fuoco, fai bollire l'acqua per il caffè, cucini la fettina di carne sulla fiamma... cose così.

Per cominciare fallo in estate e portati un accendino perché su you tube sembra facile accendere il fuoco con l'acciarino ma in realtà è tra le cose più frustranti che esistoni al mondo, e magari investi un po' di soldi per una cucinetta a legna tipo questa https://www.amazon.com/Ohuhu-Camping-Stainless-Backpacking-Potable/dp/B0125U36Q2/ref=mp_s_a_1_1?dchild=1&qid=1573723917&refinements=p_n_feature_keywords_browse-bin%3A4150633011&s=outdoor-recreation&sr=1-1 perché cucinare sulla brace senza carbone o sulla fiamma potrebbe non riuscirti mentre con questa hai una cosa simile ad un fornello.

Prima di passare la notte fuori fai qualche giorno in cui vai la mattina e torni la sera per familiarizzare a capire se in effetti sei ok con il passare la notte (fa paura potresti non fare una bella esperienza)

Facendo le cose per gradi inizi a capire che equipaggiamento ti serve, per esempio io non saprei cosa farmene di una bussola ma ho scoperto che nel periodo autunnale ho bisogno di un coso di questi https://www.amazon.it/dd-tarp-Parasole-coperture-campeggio/s?k=dd+tarp&rh=n%3A3102065031 e poi ho scoperto che quel coso sostituiva egregiamente una tenda . Ma ripeto dipende da te sono cose soggettive.

Infine portati SEMPRE un cellulare con gps, se non ti piace l'idea tienilo spento ma portatelo sempre e comunque

19 hours without power...didn't get below 54 in the house..not bad. EVERY person on my block assured me this was highly unusual. I must have jinxed us. Learning my lessons as I go.

I regretted replacing the leaky old gas kitchen stove. meaning i had no serious way to make fire. I ended up putting a candle in a perforated spoon holder from ikea to make tea. and ordered a small stove Esbit Lightweight Camping Stove for Use with Solid Fuel Tablets as long as i can cook tea and ramen i can deal with nearly anything.

I immediately topped off my iphone and kindle with the laptop, and eventually used the small battery charger to recharge the iphone, though i could always charge both in the truck. I order a new battery pack charger that does everything Intocircuit® 11200mAh Power Castle Heavy Duty 5V 2A/1A Dual USB Ports External Battery Pack Charger I really don't think that eton crank radio charges iphones very well.

For the rest of the season i have my eye on a little propane heater.