Reddit mentions: The best sporting optics mounts & rings

I just got the Vortex Crossfire II 2-7x32. Quality seems real nice. Good eye relief, fairly light, clear glass, nice reticle, feels solid, clicky windage and elevation adjustments. Can't talk about durability as I just got it an hour ago, but it's got Vortex's VIP warranty so if anything happens that affects performance they'll replace or repair it free of charge. That includes getting the lens shot out by a bb.

Edit: Here's pics at 2x, 4x, and 7x. It's on a CCOP mount

Edit2: Don't have my airsoft gun with me right now but I have my nerf gun, and the mount fits!. Putting it on something rather than just holding it gives a better feel for the eye relief as well. At 2-5x it's super easy to get a good view, but at 6-7x it can take a bit of searching and you may have to scoot your head forward a bit. It could just be the gun I put it on because it does feel like I have to keep my head further back. I can update when I use it Saturday.

Having a dot for close in work isn’t the worst idea if it’s pulling double duty as a hunting build, but I’d really make replacing that scope mount your priority. That style of mount is for a rifle that needs extra eye relief to mount the scope, extra height to look through it, and the ability to quickly remove the scope to use backup irons if the optic is busted and you still have to shoot.

Since your rifle doesn’t need extra eye relief to use a scope, doesn’t need significant elevation of the optic aside from enough to let it clear the barrel, and you won’t be removing the scope regularly to “get back in the fight” that mount isn’t necessary and is probably a detriment to your accuracy. I’d recommend replacing it with a set of precision scope rings like seekins. Good rings are worth the money, a really nice scope is worthless if it’s in a bad mount that won’t hold it straight and secure.

Edit: just found what I believe the mount on amazon https://www.amazon.com/dp/B07MBZ3TGS/ref=cm_sw_r_cp_api_i_yr1uDbYKAVJT7 OP ditch that thing immediately those are crap and thanks to their garbage qd feature will likely fall off under the recoil of the rifle and certainly won’t retain zero.

Same goes for the red dot, it won’t hold up to the recoil of that rifle and you’ll be lucky if it still even turns on after a day at the range. You don’t need to spend thousands of dollars to have a functional rifle but the bits that literally hold the two most expensive parts of your setup together are important.

Edit edit: I’m assuming you bought all the extra bits on amazon, I’d recommend you return them if you can and go with these 30mm Tube .87" Medium 4 Cap Screw Scope Ring https://www.amazon.com/dp/B00URT7A98/ref=cm_sw_r_cp_api_i_pH1uDbNN8B89Q also make sure you torque everything to spec otherwise it loosen up under recoil and you won’t hit anything.

Don’t make the same mistakes I did so many years ago.

I have owned and used the Trijicon LED ACOG and I have also used (but not owned) the tritium ACOG during my time in the USMC.

I have never owned a VCOG but I hear they are as good as, if not a little better than, the Vortex. However keep in mind that you are paying $900 more for literally no gain in performance. Both the Vortex and VCOG are 1-6 variable and are similarly weighted.

The VCOG is more durable than the Vortex, however Vortex has an expansive lifetime warranty. If it breaks during normal use they will fix it or replace it. Trijicon has a 5 year warranty on the VCOG for internal electronics, and a "limited lifetime" warranty for material and workmanship.

The VCOG is LED (no tritium) and works off a single AA battery. The Vortex is also LED and is powered off a common watch/camera battery, a CR2032 battery. The CR2032 is a bit harder to come by but you can buy a huge pack of them off Amazon and never have to worry about having a spare.

Last thing is that the magnification adjustment knob on the VCOG comes with "throw lever", which helps in rotating the knob. The Vortex doesn't have that. People who buy the Vortex usually get the "throw lever" to help adjust the knob, as it can be difficult to turn.

https://www.amazon.com/Vortex-Optics-Switchview-Throw-SV-3/dp/B00BQWTCZA/ref=pd_bxgy_200_img_2?_encoding=UTF8&psc=1&refRID=KEDFDMZATKJB5CT8RCZR

$55

Lastly, if you aren't sure about variable powered optics, just get yourself a Vortex Strike Eagle. It's the Viper HD's cheaper cousin. It's also a 1-6x variable power scope, weighs 17 oz, and only costs $300. The glass isn't as "clear" and the reticule is messier than the Viper HD, but it'll give you a good feel of what the Viper HD is like. If you're unsure, start with the Strike Eagle, see if you like it (or don't) and move on from there. At worst you now have a nice Strike Eagle that you can sell to any of your friends with ARs (they have been selling like hotcakes). At best you'll keep the Strike Eagle and put it on your wife's/kids/friends AR build.

https://www.amazon.com/Vortex-Optics-Strike-AR-BDC-Reticle/dp/B00S2P2KKS

P.S. If you get the Vortex scopes keep in mind they don't come with mounts. Be prepared to buy a 30mm tube mount, like the LaRue cantilever mount. The LaRue is a higher end "quick detach" mount, there are cheaper options available.

LaRue Mount

https://www.amazon.com/LaRue-Tactical-Cantilever-Scope-Mount/dp/B00Z7G9QJS/?th=1&psc=1

$210

Vortex Cantilever mount

https://www.amazon.com/Vortex-Cantilever-Mount-Offset-CM-202/dp/B009N24RN2/

$88

Personal preference if you need the riser.

I do.

I went with a 1 inch. Lots of hate for cheap risers but I feel like as long as you use a good thread locker you're ok. If you use a quick disconnect and take it off often you could have zeroing issues. I had my TRS-25 zero'd @ 100 yards, took it off and then put it back on and it was still zero'd but you'll read stories about people with different experiences.

UTG super Slim Picatinny Riser Mount 1" High, 3 Slots https://www.amazon.com/dp/B01BI0I9AS/ref=cm_sw_r_cp_api_9riNzbNMMKDNA

That's the riser I have on a rifle with my TRS-25 right now and haven't had issues.

Frankly man, I like the TRS-25 and feel like it's a really good entry level dot but if you have the $ just go ahead and buy an EOTECH or viper.

I'm away from my computer but can look up a good deal on a viper for another $80 bucks if you want to wait a little bit and I'll link you to it.

Let me know.

Thank you for the advice, luckily I've seen these suggestions elsewhere, and have taken the time to get them all taken care of. I should have been more specific in my initial post about my setup. The 10/22 has the Volquartsen bolt release, and I've installed the sling swivels and gotten a GI sling. Though, if I leave the barrel band on, as the swivel is installed in front of it, it does sit awkwardly. Do you have any thoughts on barrel bands being removed? It seems they're purely cosmetic.

Currently have 2 10 round rotary mags, and a 15 round BX mag. 2 10 round for the AR and 4 15/30 hex mags, so I feel I'm covered in that area.

These are the rings I have on the 10/22 - https://www.amazon.com/Weaver-1-Inch-Steel-Mounts-Ruger/dp/B000N8JV9A Does that look alright for the purposes of the weekend? The irons visibility is by design.

And I'm expecting the red dot, as you indicated, to be only useful to a point. Hopefully the MBUS irons will do the trick at the AQT distance. Primary Arms seems to have a few good options for magnifiers. Any you can vouch for? Would you say a magnifier would be a better first investment than a trigger upgrade?

I found your charging handle for almost $10 cheaper. You could cut the cost of the charging handle significantly by getting a one-handed one. I used the exact same lower build kit for my first AR. The lower build kit does not come with any tools. You're going to need some tools, such as a Castle Nut Wrench and a punch set

This is kind of optional, but you're going to need a spacer if you want to use iron sights (or else the iron sights will be blocked by the red dot sight. The spacer also helps a great deal is making it more comfortable, so your head isn't awkwardly tilted, obviously this will depend on your eye height.

Don't get discouraged if this seems confusing, if all else fails, watch an ar15 building tutorial and everything will be much clearer. Here's another tutorial. Good luck.

If you want a good budget fixed magnification optic, I really like Primary Arms stuff - their prism scopes run around $250-300 and are tough as nails with clever BDC/ranging reticles and pretty good glass.

For budget red dots I like PA, Holosun and Vortex.

If you're just looking for a decent cheap RDS that'll get you shooting and hold zero, the Bushnell TRS-25 can be had for $50 or so and will serve just fine. Add a UTG riser (absolute cowitness / lower 1/3 cowitness) for under $10 and you're in business.

Very nice sales pitch for the Tactical Sports.

Did some Googling around for ways to add a rail and actually found a response from CZ Customs: https://www.amazon.com/NcStar-Beretta-Accessory-Adapter-MADBER/dp/B0058DC520/ref=pd_sim_sg_3?tag=viglink128630-20

Very interesting. Would need to get a custom holster made for when I shoot the night shoots, but that's a problem for another day.

That makes me quite happy as I could go down the route of the Tactical Sports and might just end up getting this sucker: https://czcustom.com/new-firearms/cz-pistols-custom/cz-75-cts-ls-sao-9mm-black.html

Which means less tweaking and work for me - which is awesome.

Thanks for the info, forced me to do more research. I'll probably be happier with this route.

Lasers are only used with night vision, and messing with your cat. If you’re ballin on a budget, here are some good options for you.

Red dots:

HOLOSUN HS403C Solar Power Micro Red Dot Sight, Black https://www.amazon.com/dp/B00U2KMVCI/ref=cm_sw_r_cp_api_i_ZpaHDbRH0V0EF

Sig Sauer SOR52001 Romeo5 1x20mm Compact 2 Moa Red Dot Sight, Black https://www.amazon.com/dp/B01C95I8N4/ref=cm_sw_r_cp_api_i_fqaHDbM4M8RCH

Vortex Optics Crossfire Red Dot Sight - 2 MOA Dot https://www.amazon.com/dp/B079BY7QMC/ref=cm_sw_r_cp_api_i_FqaHDb9P9FBNE


If you want a magnified scope like an Acog, Primary Arms makes the best for the price.

Primary Arms Silver Series Compact 3x32 Gen II Prism Scope - ACSS 5.56-CQB-M2 https://www.amazon.com/dp/B01BOTJGIM/ref=cm_sw_r_cp_api_i_9raHDbFWVPQ8A

If you want something for longer ranges, LPVOs are awesome.

Vortex Optics Strike Eagle 1-6x24 Second Focal Plane Riflescope - BDC Reticle (MOA) with Sport Cantilever 30mm Mount - 2-Inch Offset https://www.amazon.com/dp/B01K37MU52/ref=cm_sw_r_cp_api_i_AtaHDbMAP1GB1

Primary Arms Silver Series 1-6x24 SFP Rifle Scope (Gen III) Illuminated ACSS 5.56 \ 5.45 \ .308 Reticle https://www.amazon.com/dp/B06XD6G7K1/ref=cm_sw_r_cp_api_i_9taHDbC142280
You’ll ya e to get a scope mount for this one, so here that link. Aero Precision Ultralight 30MM Scope Mount, SPR https://www.amazon.com/dp/B00JVTD4EK/ref=cm_sw_r_cp_api_i_SuaHDbJ2D4GYB

Thank you very much. I ordered the Vortex PST 6-24 FFP. Gonna be mounting it on my Tikka T3X CTR and I'm looking forward to it very much.

Kinda off topic, ignore if necessary, but if anyone has the same setup, recommendations for ring mounts? I'm looking at these two:

https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B00691G19I/ref=ox_sc_act_title_1?ie=UTF8&psc=1&smid=A86M66Z7Z0Z95
https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B00URT7A98/ref=ox_sc_act_title_2?ie=UTF8&psc=1&smid=ATVPDKIKX0DER

I would like the scope as close to the barrel as possible. Otherwise, thanks a lot. Great deal!

Since you're new to airsoft I suggest getting a cheaper red dot at first. This red dot is pretty good, only 20 bucks and has great reviews. For the height you should get a rail riser, like this.

Edit: also any normal red dot should fit on your rail system

Here's my completed LR 308 build. Parts list:

• Aero Precision M5E1 builder's kit - $307.00
  
• Aero Precision M5 lower parts kit - $65.25
  
• Aero Precision rifle buffer kit - $42.25
  
• Magpul PRS - $222.70
  
• Criterion Bull Contour 24" Stainless Steel barrel, match grade .308 - $263.96
  
• Spinta 308 SPV2 bolt carrier - $109.99
  
• Aero Precision .308 Ambidextrous Charging Handle - $71.99
  
• Wojtek Weaponry .936 Adjustable Gas Block + rifle length gas tube – $73.15
  
• Vortex Diamondback Tactical 6-24x50mm FFP MRAD - $359.10
  
• Magpul Rifle Bipod, M-LOK, Black - $104.11
  
• Aero Precision Ultralight 30mm Scope Mount - $73.12
  
• Vortex Optics Riflescope Bubble Level 30-mm - $ 33.68
  
• Vortex Optics Defender Flip Caps - $41.68
  
• Magpul PMAG gen 3 X10 - $189.50
  
• 1840 rnds of South Korean milsurp 7.62 x 51mm NATO ammo + 4 M2A1 ammo boxes - $900.64
  
• Magpul AR Armorer’s Wrench - $80-ish Coulda gotten this one cheaper but it was an impulse by at Sportsman’s Wearhouse.
  
  Grand total - w/o ammo: $2037.48
  
  I took it to the range today, a really nice one I found about 40 minutes north of here. I couldn't spend too much time adjusting the gas block, as that's considered a repair and they didn't want it happening on the line. I did adjust it a total of about three turns out, but it's still under-gassed. I'll have to keep going.
  
  I put 40 rounds through it on the 100 yard range and by the time I was wrapping up the second magazine I was pulling approximately 1 MOA groups of three, I wasn't using a very scientific approach, I was just trying to get it close while I started breaking it in. So I was just picking specific spots on the target and popping three rounds at them. I feel like it's a really good start for accuracy.
  
  Other than the under-gassing, I'm also getting really bad nicks in the extractor lip on my cases. They are pretty consistent, so I'm wondering if I might need to run an emery cloth over the extractor tooth to break in the edges. I wasn't sure so I thought I'd get your opinions.
  
  Anyway, it turned a few heads on the range, especially amongst the AR-15 crowd. My sons, who were with me, really liked the big boom and the fireball that came with it. The shock of firing was impressive, it really let you know it wasn't just a .223. It was very visceral, you could feel it in the depths of your chest. I liked it. I think I'll go out next weekend, too.

I highly recommend the accupoint. I have several TR20 3-9's.

This is my recomendation for a good quality mid to long range magnified optic for something like an AR-15 paired with a fixed offset iron sight for short range targets. This would be a strong budget minded configration you will be very happy with.

Trijicon TR20-2G AccuPoint 3-9X40Mm Riflescope, 1" Main Tube, Mil-Dot Crosshair Reticle with Green Dot, $569

Division G4 M556 Series, 1'' SPR Cantilever Scope Mount $40

Ozark Armament 45 Degree Offset Backup Iron Sights $29

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You rotate the gun from 12:00 to 1:30 to switch between sighting systems which is very fast and looks gangster. refer to my video,

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magnfied to short range sight transition 1

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another sight transition video

Aero Precision 30mm scope mounts are on sale at Amazon for 57.00 and would be perfect for one of these.

https://www.amazon.com/ULTRALIGHT-30MM-SCOPE-MOUNT-EXTENDED/dp/B00IB1V842/ref=sr_1_4?ie=UTF8&qid=1509731097&sr=8-4&keywords=aero+precision+scope+mount+30mm&dpID=415lySqyQXL&preST=_SY300_QL70_&dpSrc=srch

I love these mounts, lightweight, strong and affordable.

My Vortex Diamondback has 3.1-3.5" of eye relief. Seems a bit on the short side, but generous enough I would think for 223. Most of the other scopes I was looking at were within 3-4 inches as well.

I'm not sure which mount to get, cantilever or scope rings. I know the height has to be pretty high just because the stock is in line with the receiver and not offset.

What do you think of one of these? https://www.amazon.com/dp/B00QITM3WK/

https://www.amazon.com/dp/B00YFPNDOG/

Not at this price. Since it is a solid scope, but a budget one nonetheless, I would assume folks would be looking for a decent mount. I would get something like this basic $25. Honestly, any of the ones on Amazon (from sellers like TMS) that have decent ratings and aren't rock bottom priced will probably do fine. Many of the decent ones all come from the same few overseas places.

As a slight step up I would look into Aero Precision Mounts.

And on the highest end I would look at Amercan Defense, but at that point the mount cost more than the scope.

I didn't even bother mentioning Larue, Bobro, and others because I don't think you (general you, not directed at the poster) would pair the Crossfire with one of these.

Absolutely love my first .224 Valkyrie build, love it even more after hitting the range yesterday. Here's the shopping list--

Division G4 1'' Scope Mount - solid, kick ass mount that seems identical to the Vortex mount I have but way cheaper

Aero Upper

Ballistic Advantage .224 Barrel - super accurate with 60grain varmint-tipped

Mega Billet Lower (mates REALLY tight with Aero uppers)

Luth-AR rear stock

I also like the new Strike Quick Detach Takedown pins, so I put them on this one.

My MK II has a BSA Sweet 22 3-9x40 ($50 on Amazon) mounted with some Weaver low-profile rings ($6 at Wal-Mart) on top of Weaver #24 mounts ($11 for 2 on Amazon). I had to remove the rear sight with a drift punch to allow the objective bell to clear the barrel properly. I do not recommend medium/high profile rings on this rifle; even with low profile rings I'm about 1/4" low on the cheek weld.

The scope is amazing for the money; it has enough elevation to mess around at 250 yards if you want, the turrets work pretty well.

Scope:
http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B000NJUPAS/ref=oh_aui_detailpage_o08_s00?ie=UTF8&psc=1

Mounts:
http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B002PUOIB0/ref=oh_aui_detailpage_o09_s00?ie=UTF8&psc=1

If plinking is your major use, consider getting raised rings so you can still use the iron sights. See under the scope.

Also note that the standard recommended 3-9x scopes will add a lot of weight to a very light rifle. Can make long plinking sessions not as much fun. Add a rail and quick detach rings if you want the flexibility to remove it. Bonus with rails is you get lots more options on optics like red dots, etc.

Also, check if your scope is 1/2 1 inch or 30mm before buying mounts like I just linked.

Rifle stuff:

• Get a bundle of regular chamber flags, like [these]. There's no reason to spend that much on a chamber flag.
  
• I'm a big fan of Holosun Red Dots, especially the motion activated circle dot (EoTech style reticle) models like the HS503GU. The smaller dot definitely helps with longer range-small target shots.
  
• If you're going to stick with the TRS-25 (I've competed with one myself), go for the tall riser rather than the medium. Many competitors are moving to 2.04" optic mounts for a more upright head position, the one you linked works out to be 1.54". [Link]
  
• The fancy charging handle is somewhere between nice-to-have and pointless. It all depends on whether your local clubs stage guns hot/cold, and whether you have to drop the mag and clear the chamber before dumping the gun. The 4 clubs I shoot at all have different rules for this.
  
• I would skip the MS4 sling and the QD end plate. Single point is good in very specific circumstances, which don't exist in 3gun. Save the cash, and get an MS1. Note that you will rarely need or use a sling in 3gun. 2gun/combat type matches generally require one however.
  
• Don't buy a BAD lever. Consider the PDQ bolt catch, or another option if you need to manipulate the bolt catch from the right side of the rifle. See here: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W4cwMNIogZ4
  
• If you don't already have a bore snake and a cleaning rod, I would pick up both. Bore snake for simple bore maintenance, and cleaning rod to pound out a squib. If you shoot enough, you will eventually get a squib.
  
• You will want to buy a handful of mags. Stick with PMAGs, there's no real reason to get anything else.
  
  Pistol stuff:
  
  
• That holster may not work well with that belt. I would get an ALS version with mid or low ride mount. Or get a purpose made friction only holster. I use a 6930ALS mid ride-light bearing with a G19.
  
• I have the same pistol mag caddys. No complaints from me, but if you really want to be competitive from the start, you may want something that allows adjustment for better indexing. Someone else will be able to recommend them for you.
  
  Shotgun:
  
  
• Opening up the loading port will help, without a doubt.
  
• That shell caddy is really nice. I personally use Taccom caddies due to their price.
  
• Skip the fancy chamber flag
  
• Might be worth looking into Taccom's match saver [link]. No opinion one way or another. Note that match saver's tend to be consumable items, as dumping the shotgun after using the match saver will sometimes break it.
  
  Transport Equipment:
  
  
• You will get really annoyed carrying around your gear, ammo, snacks, and water. There's a reason that carts and wagons are so prevalent. I personally use a $40 collapsible wagon from Walmart, because I can't fit anything bigger in my car.

For cheapness you can get a Fieldsport Micro Dot from amazon for $20 and a UTG Riser Mount. I do not recommend using these sights without a riser.

If you want to spend some actual cash on a really good optic I recommend either a primary arms T1 and riser or a [Holosun] (https://www.amazon.com/dp/B00NC1G0KI/ref=dp_cerb_2). Dutch uses a Primary Arms but IMO the holosun is probably the best budget real steel optic on the market.

Posted on another comment but I will add it here:


If your looking for a low cost silver 22lr scope then either of these would be good choices:

https://www.amazon.com/BARSKA-4x32-Plinker-22-Riflescope-Silver/dp/B001JJCHXE

https://www.amazon.com/Simmons-TruPlex-Reticle-Rimfire-Riflescope/dp/B0000V2MQE/ref=pd_lpo_vtph_200_lp_t_3?_encoding=UTF8&psc=1&refRID=9VKD83GTM054YKVVH7E9

I would not use the supplied scope rings though for the dovetail mount that the Marlins have a "one piece" mount will grip it a lot better and not move on you. For example a lot of people use this UTG mount:
https://www.amazon.com/UTG-Medium-Profile-Airgun-Mount/dp/B002TUSJVQ/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1520903490&sr=8-1&keywords=utg+one+piece+scope+mount

Make sure to order the tube size and height you need for your particular scope / needs

Edit to add: Forgot one if you want variable power
https://www.amazon.com/Simmons-Truplex-Riflescope-3-9X32-Silver/dp/B000GU67VU/ref=pd_sbs_200_2?_encoding=UTF8&pd_rd_i=B000GU67VU&pd_rd_r=3M2Q0WZDMENFNMW8X9FW&pd_rd_w=oIWJF&pd_rd_wg=Cr1sG&psc=1&refRID=3M2Q0WZDMENFNMW8X9FW

Nah. You can get a police trade in 92F/FS/G (the G will probably be a bit more expensive because decocker only is pretty popular) for probably $500 or less.

https://coppercustom.com/beretta-92fs-le-trade-in-beretta-92fs-leo

Then you have your choice of grips.

https://www.dsgrips.com/Samurai-Edge.html

For about $20 you can get a rail adapter if you can't find a 92 with a rail.

https://www.amazon.com/NcStar-Beretta-Accessory-Adapter-MADBER/dp/B0058DC520

For a little more than $100 you can get a great quality light from Streamlight.

https://www.amazon.com/Streamlight-69110-Weapon-Tactical-Flashlight/dp/B000JWD16E

The most expensive parts would be a threaded barrel, suppressor, and tax stamp for the suppressor transfer.

https://www.berettausa.com/en-us/barrel-92fs-blk-assy-threaded-black-threaded-bbl/jb92th/

https://www.silencershop.com/silencers/pistol/silencerco-9mm-osprey.html

But You don't need those last two to make a good Samurai Edge clone. Or the light really. You just need a police trade in 92F/FS/G and a set of grips which can potentially be far below $550.

Are you going to intentionally use this rifle to defend yourself? If so, you're looking at about $150 minimum for a RDS (IMO). My personal recommendation is the Vortex Sparc AR or Sparc II. Others like the Holosuns, but I don't have experience with them.

That said, if the worst thing that happens is a range trip cut short, you can grab a Fieldsport RDS and UTG riser from Amazon for about $30.

https://www.amazon.com/Field-Sport-Green-Micro-Sight/dp/B00D4AYBR6/ref=sr_1_6?s=sports-and-fitness&ie=UTF8&qid=1494339103&sr=1-6&keywords=Red+dot

https://www.amazon.com/UTG-super-Picatinny-Riser-Mount/dp/B01BI0I9AS/ref=sr_1_15?s=sporting-goods&ie=UTF8&qid=1494339182&sr=1-15&keywords=Picatinny+riser

The Fieldsport is the best cheap plinker optic I've used (I bought one to see what the fuss was about). I still wouldn't trust my life to it, but I wouldn't hesitate to throw it on a budget rifle.

To boot, if you'll catch a set of Magpul MBUS on sale for about $60, you can have a surprisingly reasonable setup for around $100. And if the dot ever failed, you'd have a quality set of backup sights to use.

Add: I confused your OP with another and just saw you looking for a scope. My thoughts still stand on the RDS.

The Bushnell Drop Zone gets a fair amount of love. But keep in mind, you'll be spending at least another $30 (preferably more like $60+) on a scope mount.

If you prefer crosshairs to red dots and aren't looking for magnification, Vortex makes a 1x scope meant for muzzleloaders. I'm running one on my 7.62x39 AR and really like it. To boot, you can find them for around $60 and they're every bit as quality as their other Crossfire II optics. You'll still need a mount, though. Aero has their ultralight offsets on sale for around $60. That's the way I'd go for any scope you end up with. The Vortex offset mount I picked up is friggin' heavy.

Wow, that's pretty. Can I ask what the specs are?

Not sure what Reddit thinks about Nikon glass but here's something with some more magnification and a solid warranty:

Nikon Buckmasters II 3-9x40 BDC

or

Nikon Buck Master II Scope with BDC Reticle, 4-12 x 40mm

And a mount

Yes, it has dovetail mounts on top. I would get on that $50 rebate and find a Bushnell trophy 3-9x40. I just mounted one last night on my model 60 to replace the shitty barska scope I had. It looks great and the sight picture is very clear. I'll get you a pic later if you want to see. This is my favorite .22 I own, though mine's from the early 2000's. Stupid accurate.

edit: here's the scope link. that'll get you down to $32 bucks after rebate. grab a set of scope rings for 10 bucks and you're golden.


153+32+10=$195 squirrel gun that's going to be fantastic.

rebate form here

yes.

save yourself the headache of rings, buy this:
https://www.amazon.ca/UTG-Airgun-Medium-Profile-Integral/dp/B002TUSJVQ/ref=sr_1_5?ie=UTF8&qid=1509544840&sr=8-5&keywords=utg+scope+mount

the dovetail on the marlin 795 is sorta shallow, I mounted my scope with the cheap rings it came with and after a couple hundred rounds it had slid back half an inch, ruining zero.

Switched to this mount, stayed solid for hundreds more rounds, survived a day of Mapleseed.

To mount it, just look on top of the receiver of your Marlin 795, you will see a sort of ridge or rail. That's an 11mm dovetail mount. Common on air rifles and .22's. Scope mounts slide on and you tighten the screws, similar to a picatinny rail, just without the slots, and narrower.

To expand on what /u/Lost_Thought said, the link you included has the standard mount that will result with a very close mount, like this or this.

If you want it mounted to better co-witness with your iron sights, you will need a rise mount that will end up looking like this.

The medium riser will co-witness with your irons. The high riser will give you a lower 1/3 co-witness.

These are the only two items (sight and one riser) you would likely need to purchase.

I have this scope mount on my M14 if that interests you. The rings are wider than the Matrix rebrand scope I have so I wrapped it in electrical tape and it sits well. a bit more secure than just one ring if you are interested.

It is a Burris Fastfire III. Initially, I planned to get the cowitness mount from cz-custom for true co-witness.
https://czcustom.com/cz-scorpion-evo-3-s1/evo-custom-parts/cz-scorpion-evo-rail-mount-ff3.html

Out of the box with the factory low mount (pictured), you can sort-of get a lower 1/3 cowitness... but getting a cheek-weld on the blade brace was challenging. So I scrapped that idea.
I started experimenting with this mount : https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B01BI0I9AS/ref=oh_aui_detailpage_o01_s00?ie=UTF8&psc=1

It allows use of the factory sights through the mount and gives a good height for the Fastfire with a cheek weld. Not sure if it's the final solution yet.

I have the RBG with [this] (https://www.amazon.com/dp/B00WGZOGJI/ref=cm_sw_r_cp_apap_kMzsu8uk2Objo) mount. It works well for my needs.

I prefer the brightness adjustment knob where it is too. Being a lefty I can just reach up with my off hand and adjust if needed. Just my $.02

I have a similar rail and it provides great eye relief but I needed medium height rings for my Vortex Crossfire II to clear the rail in the rear. YMMV

Something like a SPR style mount mount would fit nicely. I'm not too familiar with repros since I mainly use real steel stuff.

Going from basic rings to a decent mount will do wonders.

Thanks for your advice. I went ahead and bought these last night. Think they will do? Also, what difference does having your scope mounted higher make? Just preference?

https://www.amazon.com/Vortex-Tactical-Riflescope-Medium-Profile/dp/B01IG1OARI/ref=sr_1_2?ie=UTF8&qid=1483038814&sr=8-2&keywords=vortex+30mm

https://www.amazon.com/Vortex-Optics-Tactical-30mm-Riflescope/dp/B01LBT7UQU/ref=sr_1_6?ie=UTF8&qid=1483038814&sr=8-6&keywords=vortex+30mm

Hopefully either one of these will work!

thanks eisen for all your help. will these work?

http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B002PUOIB0/ref=ox_sc_act_title_2?ie=UTF8&smid=ATVPDKIKX0DER

i think so based on what tomthegeek says, but just want to verify.

can i install a scope by myself or do i need a gunsmith to do it make sure it is level?

I have one on my budget PSA AR build. I mounted it and haven't had any problems. The mounting bolts/nuts feel cheap but the actual mount is sturdy.

I would probably spring for a nicer mount if you are building a high end AR or a long range precision type rifle, but I wouldn't hesitate to buy it for a budget build or plinker.

There are a couple hundred amazon reviews: https://www.amazon.com/gp/aw/cr/B00DP26OUK/ref=mw_dp_cr

Everyone else who responded is right. Just wanted to tell you the cheap route I went on the wife's. I do not regret it.

1. buy this gun
   
2. buy a black version of: https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B000N8JV9A/ref=oh_aui_detailpage_o04_s00?ie=UTF8&psc=1
   
3. buy a black version of: https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B0000V2MQE/ref=oh_aui_detailpage_o04_s00?ie=UTF8&psc=1
   
   180 + 50 = 230.
   
   It isn't the best setup, but just about everyone on the range will know exactly what you are shooting from rifle to glass since these are the most popular of each out there.
   
   I chose the raised mounts because they still allow me to use the "iron sights" for appleseed events.

I built this with the intention of doing 3-gun competitions. This is my first build, but I've been around here for years watching and reading. Also..I've asked some questions along the way. I've decided to make this thorough as a mofo as I know in my stalking I'd have enjoyed it!

Here are some previous posts to help guide me:

Building my first AR-15 with 3-gun in mind

[Update] Building AR-15 for 3-gun

Part | Selection
---|---
Lower receiver| Spike Tactical stripped lower $115
Lower parts kit | Anderson Manufacturing Lower Parts Kit Minus Pistol Grip & Fire Control Group $29.99
Upper receiver | Spikes Tactical M4 Flat Top Upper Receiver $109.99
Trigger group | Geissele Super Dynamic 3-Gun Trigger $240
Grip | Hogue AR-15/M-16 Rubber Grip Beavertail with Finger Grooves $21.56
Charging handle| Vltor BCM Gunflighter Charging Handle, 5.56mm BCM-GFHA-4-4, BCM-GFH4 $47.65
Bolt| BCM-Bolt-Carrier-Group-AUTO-MP $178.95
Stock| Mission First Tactical Battlelink Minimalist Stock $49.99
Buffer spring| 25001 - Springco LLC M16 / AR-15 Chrome Silicon RIFLE Spring $27.50
Buffer tube | BCM Intermediate Receiver Extension (A5 Buffer Tube) $50.90
5.3 oz buffer| Vltor A5 Specialty Buffer A5H2 $40.46
Slap plate| ikickhippies Sling Loop Ambidextrous Plate $22.50
Adjustable gas block| SLR Rifleworlds Sentry 7 Set Screw AGB $127.94
Gas tube| Melonite Gas Tube, Midlength $15
Barrel | 16" 5.56 Government Profile Midlength AR 15 Barrel, Modern Series $165
Hand guard | ALG Defense Ergonomic Modular Railed Handguard -V3 13" $154.49
Muzzle break | SJC Titan Compensator $97.95
Optics | Vortex Viper PST Gen II 1-6x24 SFP Riflescope $664.05 (had a coupon)
Scope mount | Aero Precision 30MM scope mount $63.52

Total for gun parts: $2222.47

Tools/Misc | Price
---|---
ALG Barrel nut wrench| $6.49
Lower vice block | $19.99
Upper vice block | $29.99
AR-15 armorer wrench | $45.00 (random one at my local gunstore)
8" 2mm Ball Driver | $19.45
Packets of anti-seize for barrel installation | $3 (Sample packets at my local advanced auto)
Walkers Razor hearing protection | $40.11
Gunsmith work to dimple/drill for AGB pin/set screws | $60.00
Paying to have local gunshop check headspace | $35.00

Total for services/parts to assemble gun: $259.03

TOTAL COST: $2481.50

There’s a fulfilled by amazon used one like new for $59

here

I meant why that riser. You could get one actually made for that dot that will look 100 times better, be lighter, and just be better.

https://www.amazon.com/UTG-Hi-Profile-Compact-Riser-Mount/dp/B003TWZG4G

I think this would be a good mount. Aero Precision makes good products. https://www.amazon.com/Aero-Precision-ULTRALIGHT-SCOPE-MOUNT/dp/B00JVTD4EK/

I don't think I'll be needing rapid detachment. This look like a good option for me?

You and I both know that this isn't the only thing stopping me from doing this.

But- I look into it. Looking at risers I found these two.

https://www.amazon.com/UTG-Med-pro-Compact-Riser-Mount/dp/B003TX2BD4/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1518456817&sr=8-1&keywords=UTG+riser

https://www.amazon.com/UTG-Hi-Profile-Compact-Riser-Mount/dp/B003TWZG4G/ref=sr_1_2?ie=UTF8&qid=1518456817&sr=8-2&keywords=UTG+riser

Best bet to wait for the sight to come in and measure? or is there a standard size for these?

The Bushnell TRS-25 with this riser. Works great, real steel quality too. For BB protection get this, you'll need to glue it on or shim it with teflon tape so it doesn fall off

I went with Vortex rings and the EGW extended rail on my 10/22. Working out great!

In addition to the one piece rings everyone recommends have a look at the Nikon P-223 rings. They are light and strong. They will leave you rail space for things like offset BUIS and brass catchers. They'll usually run ya $50 but they're $37.50 on Amazon right now. Even if you have already chosen something else, try a set of these on your next build.

https://www.amazon.com/Nikon-Riflescope-Picatinny-Mount-Inch/dp/B00B5F02ZW

Looks like I could get the Bushnell Trophy TRS-25 Red Dot Sight Riflescope, 1 x 25mm (tilted front lens) and UTG Hi-Profile Compact Riser Mount, 1" High, 3 Slots for ~$55 prime. Clearly doesn't break the bank. Would my next step up from there throw me in the $200 - $300 range?

The mounts you want are Weaver Base Mounts, size 24. Two of them.

And the rings I put on my mk2 were these cheapy 1" that are just fine. The scope I bought came with 3" rings. too high, but looks like that simmons comes with 1" rings anyways

Aero Ultralight is great, go with that. Currently [$68 on Amazon] (https://www.amazon.com/dp/B00IB1V65I/ref=cm_sw_r_cp_apa_i_F2DbBb86971NN).

I have a set of these, a little loctite on the screw's and holds great. Plus can still use the stock irons..... It's a 10/22 so if you put 45° sights on it you will 100% look like a tacti-cool douche.

http://www.amazon.com/gp/aw/d/B000N8JV9A/ref=mp_s_a_1_2?qid=1419902983&sr=8-2&dpPl=1&dpID=41Drun5VoiL&ref=plSrch&pi=AC_SX200_QL40

I use this for my cheaper budget builds. Works fine. Gives a 1/3 co witness. I believe the medium gives absolute. May want to get something nicer if it's for a high end build though.
http://www.amazon.com/gp/aw/d/B003TWZG4G/ref=pd_aw_sim_200_1?ie=UTF8&dpID=41D4t%2BWp25L&dpSrc=sims&preST=_AC_UL100_SR100%2C100_&refRID=06BXBY2NDFQXS63XE7K6

For air through stock, you will need the Blizzard air through stock kit through MCS since it's proprietary to the gun. As for a good riser, I went with this: https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B019O40MLY/ref=oh_aui_detailpage_o01_s00?ie=UTF8&psc=1. It's rock solid and it's the perfect size for my sight. However, when it comes to barrels and covers, l've heard that Hammerhead barrels are very good but that's it. My Blizzard will be seeing the field for the first time this weekend.

Do you want iron sights or a scope? If you want iron sights, check out the NODAK sights or Tech sights. If you want a scope, check out the Simmons 511039. It's very popular for 10/22 and is extremely cheap. Here's the link to the Simmons: https://www.amazon.com/dp/B000KOSB34/ref=cm_sw_r_cp_apa_njKbAb6AAGJT6

I run both the Simmons scope and the NODAK sights on mine using these mounts: https://www.amazon.com/dp/B000N8JV9A/ref=cm_sw_r_cp_apa_BnKbAbDBH69DE

What is the significance of a riser? Also what is the difference between this and this other than the price difference. and lastly would it be possible to buy the original mount and grab this riser?

UTG Super Slim Picatinny Riser Mount, 1" Height, 13 Slots https://www.amazon.com/dp/B019O40MLY/ref=cm_sw_r_cp_apa_CrGSzbEDNTA2A

Same sight is $20 cheaper at PSA right now: http://palmettostatearmory.com/bushnell-ultra-compact-red-dot-731303.html

If you really wanted the riser it's $10 on Amazon: http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B003TWZG4G

Amazon had the version with the riser for something like $65 a few weeks ago, and PSA had just the sight for $60 a few weeks ago.

FWIW, I picked up this one from amazon:

CCOP MNT-1516 High Profile AR-ArmourTac Rifle Scope Mount Rings for Picatinny Rail, 30mm for $28 and have been very happy with it.

Don't have a PEPR to compare it to side by side, but it's a little bulky...and a little heavy, but....if that's all the PEPR is, why not spend half the money and get the amazon one.

If you're going with a LaRue, or a Aero Precision, then that's a different ballgame.

1in UTG riser, and you can peep your factory iron thru the riser gap - freakin perfect. Chose a 25yd zero - as this a dedicated HD setup.

UTG 1 in riser link -
3-slot Slim Picatinny Short Riser Mount 1" High, 3 Slots https://www.amazon.com/dp/B01BI0I9AS/ref=cm_sw_r_cp_apa_i_GuoUCbDCT0Z1K

No problem. If you buy the one with irons it should come with two little scope mounts in the box. You will attach those to the receiver above the bolt handle pretty much. If it doesn't come with them you will need to pick up something that looks like this but for your model. Than you will need something like these scope rings.

Take this information with a grain of salt and do your own research. Like watching a unboxing video of the model of rifle to see if it comes with the scope mount parts.

Assuming you have $200 in Amazon gift cards, if you're looking to get rid of $199.98 you can get an MD-ADS red dot sight and its absolute or lower 1/3 co-witness riser. Normal pricing. I don't recall ever seeing these on sale.

*Here's a Maxpedition 8"x12" pistol soft case for your G34; it has elastic straps for 6 magazines. I have a 8"x10" (no longer listed) that fits a G17.

I have only had time to take mine out shooting once and it held up just fine. The one I linked to on amazon has 4.5 star average over 752 reviews so it looks like hardly anyone else is having trouble with it either.

For absolute cowitness you would want the medium height here-- https://www.amazon.com/UTG-Med-pro-Compact-Riser-Mount/dp/B003TX2BD4/ref=cm_cr_arp_d_product_sims?ie=UTF8

For 1/3 cowitness you would want the one I linked earlier-- https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B003TWZG4G/ref=oh_aui_detailpage_o00_s00?ie=UTF8&psc=1

Order this. I have had no problems with it. Works great. $33 free shipping with prime

CCOP MNT-1516 High Profile AR-ArmourTac Rifle Scope Mount Rings for Picatinny Rail, 30mm https://www.amazon.com/dp/B00DP26OUK/ref=cm_sw_r_cp_apa_MKTRzbX9JHZG3

You need to source something better looking than that riser, or at the very least drop the magnifier, IMO.

https://www.amazon.com/UTG-Super-Picatinny-Riser-Height/dp/B019O40MLY/ref=sr_1_10?ie=UTF8&qid=1474065856&sr=8-10&keywords=1+inch+riser+picatinny

Would probably look way better. But es pricey since you'd probably need 2.

I got one of these. Haven't mounted the optic and shot with it yet but reviews are good and its hard to beat that price.

What is it you want in a mount? Light weight? Picatinny rings? Low cost?

My safe bet is usually the Aero:

https://smile.amazon.com/Aero-Precision-Ultralight-Standard-Anodized/dp/B00IB1V65I/ref=sr_1_9?crid=3TTRNAAGX5B35&keywords=aero+precision&qid=1568636515&sprefix=aero+pr%2Caps%2C177&sr=8-9

What do you guys think of the ones I linked ?

Other option is the Nikon branded ones https://www.amazon.com/Nikon-Riflescope-Picatinny-Mount-Inch/dp/B00B5F02ZW/ref=sr_1_3?ie=UTF8&qid=1491711882&sr=8-3&keywords=1%22+tube+scope+ring

However those 3rd party ones look really beefy.

Get one of these and don’t look back. You may be able to find a better price on it elsewhere.


https://www.amazon.com/Aero-Precision-Ultralight-Scope-Mount/dp/B00JVTD4EK

Field Sport Red Dot and a riser. As for foregrips, look for M LOK grips. I like the Aim Sports M Lok Grip on my G&G.

you can get the non-railed version for the classic look and get a rail adapter like these grips or this rail adapter

jesus. should i hop on it? Just built an ar with iron sights only HNNNNNNG do want


edit: ok i bought it and this mount https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B00QITM3WK/ref=oh_aui_detailpage_o00_s00?ie=UTF8&psc=1

I got these to try for dirt cheap

Weaver 1-Inch Steel Lock Mounts... https://www.amazon.com/dp/B000N8JV9A?ref=ppx_pop_mob_ap_share

They look good, but haven’t had a chance to shot them yet.

Not op, but would this: https://www.amazon.com/gp/aw/d/B003TWZG4G/ref=pd_aw_sim_200_2?ie=UTF8&psc=1&refRID=44WEMY5M76K70FNY3N99&dpPl=1&dpID=41uJyz%2BdAsL work as well

The OP mentioned a scout mounted scope, which is usually put on rifles like this. Not good for ARs since you'd have to put it on the handguard which moves independent of the barrel/receiver (unless they are monolithic). Pick up one of the 1-4x options (Cross fire II is a good price) and an Aero SPR mount.

I would go with something designed for the AR platform that gets the scope out a bit farther so you can charge the rifle easily.

Like so

A cantilever mount of some sort. A good budget option is Nikon P-Series rings.

This wouldn't be a terrible scope for an AR but I'd consider something a little bit smaller and lighter.

Thanks, as mounted it did seem low. Is this OK? https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B00WGZOGJI/ref=ox_sc_act_title_1?smid=A2D46XDRFDU1C8&psc=1

I had the exact same problem as you. The best thing to do is buy the UTG airgun mount ( https://www.amazon.com/gp/aw/d/B002TUSJVQ/ref=mp_s_a_1_2?ie=UTF8&qid=1501040671&sr=8-2&pi=AC_SX236_SY340_FMwebp_QL65&keywords=utg+airgun&dpPl=1&dpID=41MDJhdhg3L&ref=plSrch ). For some reason normal dovetail rings dont like to grip the 795 so they start to slide back after a while, as you mentioned. So you have to use one of these types of scope mounts that squeezes the entire dovetail, so that you have enough traction to hold the scope in place.

Vortex
https://www.amazon.com/CCOP-MNT-1516-Profile-AR-ArmourTac-Picatinny/dp/B00DP26OUK
Ballistic Advantage on both rifles
Ammo- Federal 223 55gr.

All interesting choices!
I have the Marlin 795 and I installed this cheapo mount for my glass:

https://www.amazon.ca/UTG-Airgun-Medium-Profile-Integral/dp/B002TUSJVQ/ref=sr_1_3?ie=UTF8&qid=1524225459&sr=8-3&keywords=utg+.22

Added a little blue loctite on the screws.

70 bucks prime on amazon all day, everyday.

https://smile.amazon.com/ULTRALIGHT-30MM-SCOPE-MOUNT-EXTENDED/dp/B00IB1V842

Not quote under $30, but I bought this one for an AR: https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B00QITM3WK

It's just for plinking, and kind of a parts gun, but it has held on pretty well.

Seconded. But, u/Nonscrub if you cant pony up for the TRS, the Field Sport from amazon at $22 is the only other thing worth looking at in this price range.

Sight:

FieldSport Micro Red Dot Sight, Precision Red Dot Only No Green https://www.amazon.com/dp/B00Y3SZEJC/ref=cm_sw_r_cp_apa_yzVTAb7YEJJA4

Then grab this riser to get it to the right height:

UTG Hi-Profile Compact Riser Mount, 1" High, 3 Slots https://www.amazon.com/dp/B003TWZG4G/ref=cm_sw_r_cp_apa_lBVTAbARE0S5Q

$60. https://www.amazon.com/Aero-Precision-ULTRALIGHT-SCOPE-MOUNT/dp/B00IB1V65I

Primary Arms MD-RGBII + Primary Arms Micro Dot Base Mount = ~$120

Sig Sauer Romeo5 (OOS online but sold in-store and can still be found for $129 online) = ~$120 - $129

Bushnell Trophy TRS-25 + .83 Height Riser = ~$64

You can also wait for the Memorial Day sales.

Check out the Aero Precision SPR mount. A little more expensive but half the weight.

https://www.amazon.ca/UTG-Airgun-Medium-Profile-Integral/dp/B002TUSJVQ/ref=sr_1_4?ie=UTF8&qid=1501042439&sr=8-4&keywords=airgun+scope+mount

This one. The one piece base gives more area to hang onto.

https://www.amazon.com/Vortex-Optics-Hunter-1-inch-Riflescope/dp/B003GSOKDG/ref=mp_s_a_1_4?ie=UTF8&qid=1539960097&sr=8-4&pi=AC_SX236_SY340_FMwebp_QL65&keywords=Vortex+rings&dpPl=1&dpID=41HiuAA9WRL&ref=plSrch

So far, I'm looking at this mount and this scope

I have the same scope coming in shortly, I'm pairing it with the Aero 30mm SPR mount.

https://www.amazon.com/dp/B00JVTD4EK/ref=cm_sw_r_other_apa_i_TdjSDbXNEEBDP

get this one its high quality and light weight

$8.47 shipped:
https://www.amazon.com/dp/B003TWZG4G/ref=cm_sw_r_cp_apa_i_3Ds4DbP8BN7YK

Nikon P-Series Riflescope Picatinny Mount for 1 Inch Tube https://www.amazon.com/dp/B00B5F02ZW/ref=cm_sw_r_cp_api_L9URzbMTS9H7R

Nikon M-223 Riflescope Picatinny Rails Mount for 1 Inch Tube https://www.amazon.com/dp/B00BK4ISWC/ref=cm_sw_r_cp_api_p.URzbR4M6HEQ

Aero Precision Ultralight 30MM Scope Mount, SPR

https://www.amazon.com/gp/aw/d/B00B5F02ZW/ref=pd_aw_fbt_200_img_2?ie=UTF8&psc=1&refRID=RYC5TNVNSG04J3MZG4A1

Here is the mobile version of your link

You can make this work.

As for the light, get a Streamlight TLR-1. You don't want a laser.

https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B00DP26OUK/ref=oh_aui_detailpage_o02_s00?ie=UTF8&psc=1

Here is a picture of it with this bushnell.. I dont have a rail on my AR yet sorry.

https://imgur.com/a/t74vO

The mount feels very durable so far I can't wait to use it.

If you do get the bushnell red dot definately get this with it UTG Riser

It will allow you to co witness with the irons. It's cheap and works just fine for the 22 (doesn't need to be bomb proof)

This cheap one has been working fine for one of my AR's and one of my brothers ARs. It's held zero for over a year including during a 4 day rifle class and a 2 gun action challenge match. It's not the best or lightest but it's cheap and works.

https://smile.amazon.com/gp/product/B00DP26OUK

Actually, it' possible the PEPR directions may explain how to reverse the mount. My two piece Nikon mounts (http://www.amazon.com/Nikon-835-P-Series-Mount/dp/B00B5F02ZW) are entirely one piece, no removable parts on the base, and you can flip them or reverse them however you want.

Here is some info on people who have done it, /u/secutores

https://www.google.com/search?q=reverseing+a+pepr+mount&oq=reverseing+a+pepr+mount&aqs=chrome..69i57.9998j0j7&sourceid=chrome&es_sm=122&ie=UTF-8

A TRS-25 with a UTG High riser will give you lower 1/3 co-witness.

I just bought this Bushnell. It is a great little red dot, and tough as hell.

I also bought this cheap riser mount because I was putting it on at AR.

This one? Did you mean co-witness was low?

Thats normal with cheap scopes, not suited for airguns - they got destroyed VERY quickly.
This scope utg 3x9 have bigger chances to survive on whisper
plus 1 piece mount

Try this for absolute cowitness... one reviewer indicated cowitness with magpul BUIS

Don't quote me but I believe the 1" high riser would give you a lower third cowitness

https://www.amazon.com/Aero-Precision-ULTRALIGHT-SCOPE-MOUNT/dp/B00IB1V65I

My bad, I thought I hit reply and it made a new comment.

For the difference in price I'd go with the Aero ultralight mount. $75 all day for around half the weight. 3 oz isn't a lot but the ounces really add up when they're stacked awkwardly on the top of your gun.

https://www.amazon.com/gp/aw/d/B00JVTD4EK/ref=mp_s_a_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1517512502&sr=8-1&pi=AC_SX236_SY340_FMwebp_QL65&keywords=aero+ultralight+30mm

No problem, it's this one.

I've broken cheap mounts before. screws snap, they aren't in line, just bad all around. You don't want them to damage your optic, waste your time, or waste your ammo.

When I picked up an 'entry level' PEPR, I had already wasted $35 on a mount, $30 in gas, $50 in ammo, and 5 hours of my time from a UTG mount.

The waste and time alone would have paid for a much nicer mount than a PEPR, so in the end, I pissed away a lot of money on that poor first choice.

I still have the PEPR, and it is okay, but you have to pay attention to the torque on the screws holding it on because they will try to work loose over time.

My next mount was a 20 MOA ADM Recon mount ($160), which was QD. Not only has it been rock solid and has nice features, but you can feel in your hands how tough it is.

Aero makes a really nice mount for not too much money.