(Part 2) Reddit mentions: The best bathroom hardware
We found 270 Reddit comments discussing the best bathroom hardware. We ran sentiment analysis on each of these comments to determine how redditors feel about different products. We found 171 products and ranked them based on the amount of positive reactions they received. Here are the products ranked 21-40. You can also go back to the previous section.
21. iDesign Forma Metal Over the Cabinet Towel Bar, Hand Towel and Washcloth Rack for Bathroom and Kitchen , 9.25" x 2.5" x 2.5", Stainless Steel
- OVER THE CABINET TOWEL RACK: Towel bar is perfect for hanging hand towels, washcloths, pot holders, cleaning rags, and more! The compact design looks great in your kitchen, bathroom, or anywhere else that you could use a towel within reach
- SAFE BACKING: Non absorbing foam backing to protect cabinets from scratching
- STYLISH: Brushed stainless steel finish is rust-resistant and looks good with any bathroom or kitchen décor style
- EASY INSTALLATION: No hardware included. Fits over all standard kitchen and bathroom cabinet doors
- IDEAL SIZE: Measures 9.25" x 2.5" x 2.5", perfect for small cabinets
Features:
Specs:
Color | Brushed |
Height | 2.9921259812 Inches |
Length | 9.2519684945 Inches |
Number of items | 1 |
Size | 9.25" x 2.5" x 2.5" |
Weight | 0.2625 Pounds |
Width | 2.5590551155 Inches |
22. Adhesive Wall Hooks Heavy Duty Hooks for Hanging Wall Hangers Stick on Shower Home Bathroom Kitchen Door Ideal for Robes, Umbrellas, Clothes, Bags, Coats, Keys - Stainless Steel - 4 Packs
- High Load Capacity - Comes with Damage Free Adhesive Backing, Maximum Load-Bearing Capacity 8.0lbs, Strong Adhesiveness will Never Fall Even After Extensive Use.
- Rustproof and Waterproof - Upgraded SUS-304 Stainless Steel, Provide Better Protect Against Corrosion & Rust. Ensuring Quality and Longevity.
- Seamless Installation - No Tool are Needed, Just Peel off The Protective Layer in The Back and Stick It on The Desired Position, Must Be Clean The Wall And Keep Surface Dry.
- Widely Application - Suitable for Wet Places Such as Bathrooms. Also Suitable for Bedroom, Kitchen, Living Room, Toilet, Office etc. Applicable to The Surface of Wood, Stainless Steel, Metal, Plastic, Glass, Tile and etc.
- Attention - Don't hang overweight, expensive or fragile products. The Adhesive Hook is Not Removable on The Painted Wall. Lime Wall, Painted Wall, Drywall Rough Surface and Wallpaper with Textures are Not Advised.
Features:
Specs:
Color | Command Wall Hooks-4packs |
Height | 1.06 Inches |
Length | 1.69 Inches |
Number of items | 4 |
Size | 43mm×43mm×27mm |
Weight | 0.37 Pounds |
Width | 1.69 Inches |
23. KES Aluminum Bathroom Glass Shelf 2 Tier Tempered Glass Rectangular Double Deck Extra Thick Silver Sand Sprayed Wall Mounted, A4126B
- Rustproof: Made of strong, durable, and rustproof aluminum, ensuring durability and lifespan. Suitable for the humid environment such as kitchen and bathroom.
- Extra-Thick (8Mm) Tempered Glass (Clear) - Safe use & kid-friendly. When broken, it crumbles into small granular chunks instead of splintering into jagged shards as plate glass does, less likely to cause injury.
- Space Saving - Shelf depth 4.72-inch, compact size, and huge storage space. Widely used in the kitchen, lavatory, living room, balcony, etc. You can find a precise dimension from product pictures. Overall dimensions: 13.78 x 4.72 x 11.65 inches (LxWxH).
- Max. Load 5 KG for each shelf, 10 KG in total - NON-plastics, metal frame, solid construction, sturdy design. Screws are made from SUS 304 stainless steel and won't rust. It can be screw mounted to flat and smooth wall surfaces, like tiles, marble stone, metal, glass, etc.
- All Hardware And Instructions Included - 1 x Glass Bathroom Shelf, 1 x Hardware Pack, Installation Instructions. Set screws (for glass shelf), wall-mount screws and instructions are all included, no need to purchase extra hardware.
Features:
Specs:
Color | Silver (2 Tier) |
Height | 11.6535432952 Inches |
Length | 4.7199999951856 Inches |
Size | 2-Tier |
Weight | 4.82 Pounds |
Width | 13.779999985944 Inches |
25. KES SUS 304 Stainless Steel Storage Organizer Hook Bathroom Single Robe Towel Coat Hook Rustproof Kitchen Utensil Utility Hanger Solid Metal Heavy Duty Wall Mount, Brushed Finish 10 Pack, A2062-P10
10 Pcs garage/utility hooks.HEAVY DUTY: Made from 3 MM Extra Thick SOLID Stainless Steel.RUSTPROOF: Construted of Type 304 premium grade stainless steel, with added 18/8 Chromium/Nickel content to protect against corrosion & rust.BRUSHED FINISH: Hand brushed stainless steel finish, build to resist d...
Specs:
Height | 2.05 Inches |
Length | 5.59 Inches |
Weight | 0.97 Pounds |
Width | 4.8 Inches |
26. Lyman Magnum Inertia Bullet Puller
Safely strips loaded rounds in secondsPrevents damage to bullet or caseHead design that allows Use on calibers from Tiny 5.7 x 28FN to the largest magnumsErgonomic molded handle for comfort and sure gripTraps components with just a few hitsErgonomic molded handle with rubber insert for comfort and s...
Specs:
Color | Multiple |
Height | 1.6929133841 Inches |
Length | 4.8818897588 Inches |
Number of items | 1 |
Release date | December 2011 |
Size | 1 Pack |
Weight | 0.29 Pounds |
Width | 1.8897637776 Inches |
27. Monkey Business Mr. T Dual Toilet Paper Holder Dispenser, Free Standing Double Tissue Roll Storage, Tank Mount Caddy, Red
The strongest man in your bathroom, will show off his strength and your spare rolls tooAvailable in red and bluedesigned by sooda e for Monkey Business
Specs:
Height | 6.1 Inches |
Length | 12.2 Inches |
Weight | 0.33 Pounds |
Width | 4.33 Inches |
28. ALLICAVER Outlet Shelf, Power Perch with Built-In Cable Management, A Space Saving Solution for Google Home, Smart Speakers, Cellphones, Electric Toothbrush and More (White-decora)
✅<b>【Great Space Saver】</b> -Add this shelf to your outlets to save space and keep your home organized. Holds small electronics up to 5 lbs. Perfect for counter and floor in kitchen, bathroom, bedroom and garage.✅<b>【Really Built-in Cord Management】</b>-We designed a hollow cable storage...
Specs:
Color | White-decora |
Height | 2 Inches |
Length | 5 Inches |
Width | 4 Inches |
29. Paper Holder W BB-370 in the CC one hand (japan import)
- Size: 17 10 8cm
- Installation Method: Wood screws (with plug)
- Soft ceramic color and compact slim design for a comfortable and comfortable feel
- You can cut toilet paper with one hand
- Easy to replace with one touch .Size: 17 10 8cm. Product Weight: 0.5 lbs (167 kg). Installation Method: Wood screws (with plug)
Features:
Specs:
Height | 3.149606296 Inches |
Length | 6.692913379 Inches |
Weight | 0.45856150496 Pounds |
Width | 3.93700787 Inches |
30. Mom Invented Toilet Paper Saver
- SAVE MONEY AND TOILET PAPER – This Mom Invented TP Saver simply latches onto the toilet paper roll, keeping little ones and furry friends from unraveling it and creating chaos in your bathroom. This TP Saver will keep your bathroom toilet paper mess free.
- EASY TO USE - TP Saver slips into place without having to remove the paper from the holder. It's easy for an adult or older child to unlock and use when needed. Small children or pets are limited to pulling one sheet at a time off the roll.
- MOM INVENTED - Marketed under the "Mom Invented" seal, the product reflects the commitment of Mom Inventors to high quality, family-oriented solutions for everyday life.
- MULTIPLE USE - TP Saver is not only for the young. The product also works well in boats or RVs where driving motion and movement causes the roll of paper to unroll. It also works well for potty training - parents can meter use.
- SAFETY FIRST –The TP Saver has been designed to consumer Federal regulation safety requirements. Additional safety features and benefits include a neutral color for minimizing the child's attention and reducing the overall risk of toilet paper ingestion. Package includes 2 savers.
Features:
Specs:
Color | White |
Height | 0.75 Inches |
Length | 4.75 Inches |
Number of items | 1 |
Weight | 0.075 Pounds |
Width | 0.75 Inches |
31. Organize It All 1750W-1 mounted chrome shelf, 26" W x 11.25" L x 7.5" H
Chrome finishTwo towel barsMounts on wallModern lookCreates extra floor spaceNOTE : Towels will not be included
Specs:
Color | Chrome |
Height | 7.75 Inches |
Length | 11.12 Inches |
Number of items | 1 |
Size | 26"W x 11.25"L x 7.5"H |
Weight | 3 Pounds |
Width | 26 Inches |
32. Domire Paper Pot Toilet Paper and Tissue Paper Holder White
Designed to be used for both toilet paper and tissue paperThis design helps keep papers dry in a steamy bathroom than ordinary paper boxesBuy two and mix and match the top and bottom to create your own color variationsSet of 1Color:White
Specs:
Color | White |
Height | 5 Inches |
Length | 7 Inches |
Weight | 0.75 Pounds |
Width | 7 Inches |
33. Adhesive Wall Hooks
- Great product!
Features:
Specs:
Height | 1 Inches |
Length | 6.2 Inches |
Weight | 0.13 Pounds |
Width | 4.5 Inches |
34. Fealkira Adhesive Wall Hooks 13.2lb(Max) Utility Stainless Steel hook for Towel Bathrobe Coats,Bathroom Kitchen Waterproof and Oilproof Nail Free Transparent Heavy Duty Wall hook & Ceiling Hanger(6pcs
★PERFECT STYLISH APPEARANCE -Unique transparent design makes it almost invisible which is quite suitable for nice home decoration★EASY TO USE - Just peel off the cover starting from the bulge, then put the hook on smooth surface. Easy to clean and reposition without surface damage★SUPER POWERF...
35. River's Edge Unique Poly Resin Design Deer Antler Toilet Paper Holder
- Realistic looking hand painted poly resin design
- Perfect accent décor in any outdoor enthusiast bathroom
- Holds standard roll of toilet paper
- Mounting hardware included
Features:
Specs:
Color | Multicolor |
Height | 6 Inches |
Length | 9.75 Inches |
Number of items | 1 |
Release date | October 2009 |
Weight | 0.8 Pounds |
Width | 9.25 Inches |
36. River's Edge Real Cast Iron Spur Toilet Paper Holder
- Real cast iron construction toilet paper holder
- Great rusted finish creates an authentic outdoor look
- Perfect accent décor in any outdoor lovers bathroom
- Holds standard roll of toilet paper
- Mounting hardware included
Features:
Specs:
Color | Spur |
Height | 11 Inches |
Length | 5.5 Inches |
Number of items | 1 |
Release date | October 2009 |
Weight | 1.61 Pounds |
Width | 5.75 Inches |
37. HASKO accessories - Powerful Vacuum Suction Cup Hooks Heavy Duty Organizer for Towel, Bathrobe and Loofah - Shower Hooks for Bathroom & Kitchen - Adhesive 3M Stick Discs, Bronze (2 Pack)
- NO TOOLS, NO SCREWS, NO HOLES: With the suction cup technology, it becomes extremely easy to install suction hooks: simply position on a smooth surface, apply pressure and turn clockwise.
- 3M ADHESIVE MOUNTING DISCS INCLUDED: To install your HASKO suction cup hooks on a concave and convex rough surface, you'll need to use the 3M Adhesive Mounting Discs first which we have provided in the package!
- CORROSION RESISTANT: Rust Proof and corrosion resistant construction prevent rusting. Shower Hooks are made of stainless steel, Cap and knob made up of hardened plastic, and the suction cup itself made up of premium quality rubber.
- EASY TO USE: It is very convenient to rent an apartment, people move frequently. Simply loosen the suction cup and take a towel hook. Within a few minutes, place in a new location.
- 100% RISK-FREE SATISFACTION GUARANTEE – We also offer you 100% risk-free satisfaction guarantee. If you have any questions or concerns with your order, you can conveniently contact us. We have an awesome Customer Service Team and will do whatever it takes to make it right for you!
Features:
Specs:
Color | Bronze |
Weight | 0.26 Pounds |
38. MyGift Decorative White Wall Mounted 3 Tier Shelf Baskets/Kitchen Spice Rack/Bathroom Product Holder
- Decorative Victorian-style design wall mounted storage rack with 3 shelf baskets perfect for keeping your house tidy
- Use in the bathroom for easy access to shampoo, soap, shaving cream, and lotion
- Use in the kitchen to store spices and condiments
- Multi-purpose hanging organizer easy mounts to most walls and small spaces to keep your home organized
- Approximate Dimensions: 13.5 H x 4 D x 12 W (in inches) **Official MyGift product** Mounting hardware not included
Features:
Specs:
Color | White |
Height | 20 Inches |
Length | 12 Inches |
Number of items | 1 |
Size | 3 Tier |
Weight | 1.75 Pounds |
Width | 4 Inches |
39. iDesign Twigz Sink Suction Holder for Sponges, Scrubbers, Soap in Kitchen, Bathroom, 5.15" x 5.2" x 2.3", Bronze
- VERSATILE: Sink basket holds sponge, scrubber, scouring pad, drain stopper, and more! Great for kitchen, workplace, master bathroom, guest bathroom, kid's bathroom, craft room, classroom, college dorm room, or office sinks
- FUNCTIONAL DESIGN: Open bottom allows water to drain, letting sponges and scrubbers dry
- DURABLE: Bronze steel construction with leaf design is rust resistant and matches any decor
- RELIABLE SUCTION: Dual plastic suction cups easily stick to smooth surfaces for convenient drainage
- IDEAL SIZE: Holder measures 5.15" x 5.2" x 2.3", the perfect size for most sinks
Features:
Specs:
Color | 5.15" X 5.2" X 2.3" |
Height | 4.2 Inches |
Length | 2.1 Inches |
Number of items | 1 |
Size | 5.15" x 5.2" x 2.3" |
Weight | 1 Pounds |
Width | 4.8 Inches |
40. AUTOSCRUB 7" x 7" Handy Towel [AS-015]
Fit Type - Universal Fit
Specs:
Color | Green |
Height | 0.004 Inches |
Length | 7 Inches |
Number of items | 1 |
Release date | April 2014 |
Size | 7 Inch x 7 Inch |
Weight | 0.14 Pounds |
Width | 7 Inches |
🎓 Reddit experts on bathroom hardware
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I have limited cabinet space too and found that shelf racks like this are a great way to add extra space.
Hanging storage solutions are helpful too, like this towel rack and storage bin. I also like to hang infrequently used cooking utensils on the back of my cabinets with command hooks.
Good luck in your new place!
I used a blooming bath lotus inside of a laundry basket until she could sit up, then I switched to this inflatable tub. She's 1 and we are still using the tub every day! The inflatable saddle horn was really nice because as soon as she could sit supported she was able to use the tub. I wasn't a big fan of the lotus thing but it has good reviews so maybe that was just me.
My biggest tip for small showers is to get a hook that you can use to hang the tub from! I got these adhesive ones and they have been holding strong for months. I hang it from the little drain hole in the tub. It is sooo much nicer having the tub up and out of the way when we want to shower. Out of curiosity, why would you put the baby tub outside of the shower? I keep it inside the shower. It will be very hard to drain and you will probably get water everywhere if you keep it outside of the shower!
Installing a WiFi thermostat has been helpful. I can monitor and change the temperature settings away from home, if I need to.
Steel storage racks in my laundry room with write-on magnetic labels. I use storage cubes and a dry-erase marker on the labels in case I ever want to change anything.
Phillips Hue lighting. I thought they looked cool before buying but was hesitant to buy because it's a little pricey and I figured it would just look cool and not really be useful. But being able to dim the lights, change to any color in separate rooms, and time the lights for being away or for bedtime has been very useful to me. There are a lot of options with these.
Edit: noticed and wanted to share a few more things as I walked around my house:
Humidifier, 1+ gallon capacity. Bought one from Target and set it in the dining area. Helps a lot with static shock with the dry air in the winter time.
Glass shelving (I shop a lot through Amazon.) on the side of the bathroom sink. Small bathroom with not a lot of space, so had to get creative.
And one sort of strange improvement: adopted a dog. I have a somewhat small house and a large yard in comparison to the neighborhood and house sq footage. I started to get resentful of my yard because it's a decent amount of upkeep and I didn't even really utilize it. Adopting the dog really made me appreciate the yard more; it's great that he has a lot of space to run around.
Oh, sh!t, this would make an awesome gift for someone I know. Goes to look...
Found one on Amazon. The one you have is way nicer, though. Thanks for the gift idea, OP!
I was inspired (tired of leaving camelbak on floor) to create (cut, paint, sticker) a wall mounted rack that expressed love for my favorite sea creature.
HOWTO
1)Purchase of vinyl wall decal on Amzn for ~$25
2)I cut a profile around the decal 1" offset and traced it to mdf
3)Sanded mdf edges and rechecked fit of vinyl
4)Painted with Lowes primer+paint and waited 2 days to dry
5)Applied vinyl decal
6)Attached hooks
7)Hung on wall
I'm happy how it turned out and would recommend it to anyone needing a wall mounted coat rack. I'd rate the project difficulty of 2 out of 10 as the only difficult step is cutting the mdf with jigsaw and rounding the edges with router (or alternatively using sand paper). The rest is relatively straight forward with only simplest of tools required.
You may want to look into a turret style as it'll make things easier and faster. Like the Redding T7
www.amazon.com/gp/aw/d/B000VNO2QO/
Also you may want to get a Frankford Arsenal digital scale it's 1/3 the price and has better reviews.
https://www.amazon.com/gp/aw/d/B002BDOHNA/
I'd go with the Frankford Arsenal wet tumbler it's easier, holds more and the brass is cleaner. Also no dust.
www.amazon.com/gp/aw/d/B00HTN4R6O/
Also get the Lyman kinetic bullet puller it's got a nice soft handle the collet puller is nice if you have a lot of them to do.
https://www.amazon.com/gp/aw/d/B0037N6IXA/
And don't forget a case gauge for each caliber
https://www.amazon.com/gp/aw/d/B001QD9XQ2/
Ooh I don't want anything but I love love picking out goofy presents!
tp strongman
fully automatic nerf blaster
vhs journal
or you could give his car eyelashes
No where to put the cord? Really?
Mount Genie Smart Home Outlet Shelf: Hidden Cord Storage and Extra Custom Short Cords Great for Google Home, Nest, Security Cameras, Smart Speakers, and more https://www.amazon.com/dp/B0791KKKKB/ref=cm_sw_r_cp_tai_4Ko5BbJNDFXXZ
ALLICAVER Outlet Shelf, Power Perch with Built-In Cable Management, A Space Saving Solution for Google Home, Smart Speakers, Cellphones, Electric Toothbrush and More (white-decora) https://www.amazon.com/dp/B07J6M4PS4/ref=cm_sw_r_cp_tai_YLo5BbQFPE3PK
You could try something like the TP Saver, but I think that would be pretty easy for an adult to bypass.
My best suggestion is to put aside toilet rolls when they're down to an amount that wouldn't clog the bowl. Put one of these in the bathroom before the party starts and store all other TP in another room. When one short roll runs out, replace it with another.
Maybe post a note as to why you have to do it this way. Other guests may mention that they've had the same problem; and the list of suspects can be narrowed down that way.
Thank you! Me too. Great storage, towel rack, and yoga mat hangar :) in case you're interested:
Organize It All Mounted Chrome Bathroom Shelf with Towel Rack https://www.amazon.com/dp/B002YK4YHE/ref=cm_sw_r_cp_apa_GBaTBbMFCEQ37
If anyone is curious about where I got the tissue holder, it is available on Amazon for $7.32 in several different colors. Here's the link!
Domire Paper Pot Toilet Paper and Tissue Paper Holder White https://www.amazon.com/dp/B00J9A3TAU/ref=cm_sw_r_cp_apa_fAaBxb87XKFVD
There is also an identical product under the brand Mollaspace, so you can search Amazon for that as well. The link I posted is the only place you can get the white one on Amazon, but the green one in Mollaspace brand is available for just over 5 dollars and free shipping. :-)
This is just a few seconds of searching from a random internet stranger, but look for a few of these at your local wal-mart. Also, I always thought that CO was heavier than air, but apparently it is slightly lighter than air. This suggests that CO detectors should be placed rather high, on the ceiling if possible. If you're in doubt, just place one as high as possible - if you get a reading, use an extension cord as a temporary way of measuring the levels in different locations, high or low. (I'm not sure how quickly the sensors update, you may need to rig a way to hold the sensor in place for a few minutes, try these things.)
Best of luck to you and your friend! (Maybe get a detector for her as well... though it sounds like you're more affected than she is.)
Also, keep an eye out for /u/RBradbury1920, he left post-it notes for himself, it turned out to be a side effect of Carbon Monoxide poisoning. (Only 100 PPM, apparently.)
Edit: How close do you and your friend live? There might be something in the environment doing this to both of you, such as a gas leak or something. But if so, then other people might be noticing strange things as well....
https://www.amazon.com/dp/B01IJRB1AI/ref=cm_sw_r_cp_awdb_t1_dDA3BbQA4ZH1Q here you go! Hope they help ❤
this is pretty manly and pretty cool!!!
"Marston"
I think you need something like this sign or this sign for some nice mood lighting. This or this horrible clock would look great in any tacky western kitchen! I'm also pretty sure that you need a cowboy hat rack and this amazing TP holder.
HASKO accessories Powerful Vacuum... https://www.amazon.com/dp/B078Q57Q3D?ref=yo_pop_ma_swf
These have worked amazingly well. Our tile is kind of textured and they have been holding strong!
I've really enjoyed his one
ELOKI 360 Rotating Makeup Organizer,... https://www.amazon.com/dp/B0721PCG3H?ref=yo_pop_ma_swf
I've also got this hanging on my wall next to it to keep items I don't use on the daily
MyGift Decorative White Wall Mounted... https://www.amazon.com/dp/B00PD2FX5C?ref=yo_pop_ma_swf
Or one of those plastic bins under your sink for items you don't need access to all the time. You can also repot things to make them more aesthetically pleasing if that's your thing
Is this the wheel cleaner you're talking about? Does it have a purple bleeding effect just like IronX or will I have to rinse based on timing?
For brushing the pads, what kind of brushes work? I don't have compressed air and will be working in a garage.
Taking everyone's advice with the cheap clay. I'll get the Nanoskin 7x7 Green Clay Towel instead. They also have a blue towel. Whats the big difference?
Since 50% is too strong, I'll dilute it to get ~10%
For lazy non-Japanese:
Here, or here.
And, if you like Ebay better than Amazon, try here.
I'll go ahead and share my comment from the r/oddlysatisfying post this is from:
> A few different options on amazon, all around $10-$13.
> https://www.amazon.com/gp/aw/d/B01EGVD8VG/ref=pb_pd_lutyp_gr_3_1?pi=SS115&amp;th=1&amp;psc=1
> https://www.amazon.com/gp/aw/d/B00BVW2LAI/ref=pd_aw_fbt_201_img_2?ie=UTF8&amp;psc=1&amp;refRID=86ATSSTMYX9AZCP9S161
> https://www.amazon.com/gp/aw/d/B001ONT90Y
> I impulse bought one....
My cat is a fuzzy little jerk just like yours. I had tried putting the TP behind the toilet on the tank, on the counter, wherever. Cat still got to it. Tried to keep the door closed, but my roommate is a jerk and never remembers to close the damn door.
Then I found this weird thing on amazon. It's like a little elastic locking gizmo for the toilet roll, you just unlock it to unroll TP, then lock it back up when you're finished with the business. Voila, no more wasted toilet paper.
I can finally go back to buying the glorious charmin strong. My cheeks yearn for it.
This toilet roll holder
This curtain
This carpet and toilet seat cover
Hang these pictures
http://www.amazon.com/Aluminum-Bathroom-Retangular-Mounted-Sprayed/dp/B00J3H6A28
Nope.
This kitchen sponge holder that has been on my WL since 2013 lol!
/u/njbilbo What did the yoga instructor say when her landlord tried to evict her?
Namaste (ba dum sss)
I've heard of this product, but never tried it. Worth a shot?