(Part 2) Reddit mentions: The best desktop computers

Hey there, Kramjam. I am in the midst of the same process looking in a similar price range. I am sick of always being disappointed in my gaming experience. I have used budget(ish) laptops and am now switching over to pre-built desktops for some true gaming with room to easily grow as gaming evolves. I thought it'd be helpful to write out my top choices.

I have found some good deals and have listed them. I am debating waiting until after Thanksgiving to see if there are any better offers. I have to decide soon, I guess!

This HP Omen 7700 GTX NVIDIA 1070. $1055.55 on Amazon now. It's the lower end of my spectrum but I think a great value. I am looking at 1080 and 8700 ideally but this is a mighty fine desktop and a huge jump for me. The brand name is helpful here too. Don't know about wifi connect.

I am leaning towards the iBUYPOWER 8700k GTX 1070 Ti. $1,399 Amazon. Great reviews, good value, and nice add-ons. I don't need a lighting remote but that's neat to have. Liquid cooling is also pretty cool (ha!). Good specs, good price, nice accessories, can't complain.

ABS 8700 GTX 1080. $1349.99 Newegg. This almost made it an easy search for me. GTX 1080 plus a great price. My biggest concern is reliability. A few bad reviews on Newegg scared me off and I think this is even their in-house brand. The customer service seems good enough from some research but I would rather not have any problems at all. If you want to roll the dice, I think this is the best value you can find. They also do a 1060 and 1070 for lower prices as you should see in the link. This is it's bigger, badder brother running 1080Ti and 8700k at $1,749.99.

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cyberpowerpc AMD Ryzen 2700 but NVIDIA RTX 2070. $1,449 Amazon. I having been leaning Intel so not a fan of AMD. This system is 3.2 GHz 8 core whereas the Intel 7700, like in the HP Omen, is 3.6 GHz 6 core. But an RTX 2070 in a prebuild desktop for only $1,449 is ridiculous from my research. It's overkill for what I am using now and I would like a better processor but I thought I would put it here for you.

cyberpowerpc Intel 8700k NVIDIA GTC 1070 Ti. $1,549 Amazon. Same stats as the iBuypower but for $150 more. I guess I like the design more than the i.b.p. but I'd rather save the $150. Maybe post-Thanksgiving will shake this price down??

SKyTech 8700k GTX 1080. $1,549.99. 1070 Ti is $1,499.99. Amazon. Looks great in terms of specs, reviews, even looks and add-ons. I would choose this over the cyberpowerpc above. Has some more customizable options too. But based on our budget, I think you would be better suited for the HP Omen or the iBuypower.

Tl;DR

The HP Omen and iBUYPOWER options listed are my two top choices but all of these made it to my final list. I think another $350 for a better processor, slightly better graphics, and better add-ons makes the iBUYPOWER worth it. Even if the name is terrible...

I hope this helps! Please share any of your insights as well.


Edit: I included the differences in specs most important to me. All have at least 240 GB SSD and some have 2 instead of 1 TB of HDD. All of 16 GB of memory and Windows 10.

That memory is stupidly expensive. you could get two 8GB kits of 1600 RAM for cheaper. WHich would really be a waste anyway; if all he's doing is gaming, 8GB is fine.

edit: okay, the above was a quick recommendation based on one glance at the build I figured others would come in and point out better improvements. But if nobody else will, then I'll take up the whip. Here we go.

PCPartPicker part list / Price breakdown by merchant / Benchmarks

Type|Item|Price

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CPU | Intel Core i5-4670 3.4GHz Quad-Core Processor | $209.99 @ Newegg
CPU Cooler | Cooler Master Hyper 212 EVO 82.9 CFM Sleeve Bearing CPU Cooler | $29.98 @ Outlet PC
Motherboard | Asus Z87-PRO ATX LGA1150 Motherboard | $194.99 @ Newegg
Memory | Corsair Vengeance 8GB (2 x 4GB) DDR3-1600 Memory | $56.99 @ Newegg
Storage | Kingston HyperX 3K 120GB 2.5" Solid State Disk | $99.99 @ Microcenter
Storage | Western Digital Caviar Blue 1TB 3.5" 7200RPM Internal Hard Drive | $64.99 @ Newegg
Video Card | EVGA GeForce GTX Titan 6GB Video Card | $1003.98 @ Newegg
Case | Fractal Design Define R4 (Arctic White) ATX Mid Tower Case | $89.99 @ Amazon
Power Supply | EVGA SuperNOVA 650W 80 PLUS Gold Certified ATX12V / EPS12V Power Supply | $69.99 @ Newegg
Optical Drive | LG GH24NS95 DVD/CD Writer | $14.94 @ Newegg
Operating System | Microsoft Windows 8 (OEM) (64-bit) | $89.73 @ Outlet PC
Monitor | Asus VS238H-P 23.0" Monitor | $149.48 @ Amazon
Keyboard | Cooler Master Storm QuickFire Rapid Wired Gaming Keyboard | $64.99 @ Microcenter
Mouse | Logitech G500 Wired Laser Mouse | $51.43 @ Amazon
Other| Altec Lansing VS2621 2.1 Channel Speaker System| $39.00 @ Amazon
| | Total
| Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available. | $2200.51
| Generated by PCPartPicker 2013-07-31 20:08 EDT-0400 |

I do realize most of these changes are essentially shitting on your personal preferences, but I do sincerely believe they are better. of course, you're the one building the computer, so you're free to revert as many changes as you'd like. These are just recommendations.

Dunno why you had such a hard-on for Newegg, but a lot of other websites had the exact same parts you chose for cheaper.

Of course I first swapped the slow 16GB of 1333 RAM for 8GB of 1600 RAM. You don't need more than that unless you're doing professional work.

Changed the two GTX 770s for a single GTX Titan. Single card solutions are almost always better than SLI. While you are getting more raw theoretical performance from two 770s, real-world results are largely dependant on if the game can efficiently scale onto two cards. Some games do it better than others, but it's not worth the gamble. Besides, you'd be lock yourself into a world of pain with microstuttering issues. The GTX Titan is currently the best gaming single GPU solution in the world. It's an amazing piece of silicon, and should run BF4 fantastically.

Another subjective change, I didn't like the case you picked. IMO, it looks horrendously ugly. I went for one of my all time favorites, the Define R4 instead. It's pretty, functional, and keeps things quiet inside.

Swapped the semi-modular passable-quality TX650 for a rock-solid fully modular 650W SuperNOVA. Fantastic PSU, great price.

I felt the BD drive was a waste of money, so I swapped it for a DVD/CD writer. You still get a nice $13 discount with the HDD, which pretty much makes it free. Couldn't pass that up.

Windows 8 is seriously superior to Windows 7, take it from me. I've been using it since it came out, and the speed increases are fantastic. There are little optimizations everywhere which make everything very snappy. It'll also take much fuller advantage of the SSD than Windows 7, which really only had half-baked support tacked on as an afterthought. If you're worried about the UI changes, don't be. They're really not as big as people would make you think. You'll get used to it within a week. besides, the 8.1 update is slated for this fall, and it'll bring back the start button as well as botting directly to desktop. There's no reason to handicap yourself with antiquated software.

Changed out your keyboard and mouse for the awesome CM Storm Quickfire Rapid and Logitech G500. AZZA keyboards are generally very low quality, and the allure of pretty colors is not really worth it. The CM Storm Quickfire Rapid is a solid mechanical keyboard, packing Cherry MX Red switches, which give it a smooth and (like the product name) rapid actuation. Great for gaming. The G500 is a legendary gaming mouse, which i chose over the G600 to keep in budget. Also, I've seen that people vary rarely use those macro keys on the side; they're generally a huge hassle. It'll sometimes take longer to find the right macro key than to do the action itself. And of course, they're nearly useless in an FPS game. IMO, they ruin the mouse's aesthetics. It makes it look like it has a tumor erupting from the side. Ugly.

Logitech speakers are very hit-or-miss. SOme are okay and others are terrible. With a product line so massive, it's hard to tell what's good and what's not. These Altec Lansing speakers I can personally confirm are amazing. I'm using them right now and you really can't get better sound for the price. They look great, have tone knobs to play with the treble, and a sleek side-firing subwoofer to get the bass kicking. Awesome.

All in all, this is what I personally* think would be the best performance you can get for $2200. Obviously, some changes are by preference and others are just factually superior. If you have any questions, feel free to ask away.

Get an external hd for backups of you don't have one already.

Check this channel and get something nice.

https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCCss3QxegBkF8BAetIo0qXA

Midrange extreme value. 580 dlls.
Rx 480 or others
R5 2600
16gb ram.
https://youtu.be/p9daTy901MA

My high end pick; 1380 usd.
I7 9700k.
Tb nvme ssd
16 ddr4
Rtx 2070.
https://www.amazon.com/gp/aw/d/B07VFFCQ6L/ref=psdcmw_13896597011_t1_B07KSXZFY7




I would set 1070 performance levels as standard. (1070 is cheap and bang for buck, but maybe consider an rtx with 8gb vram if you have the money)

if your gpu is already nice and want nicer then go for an rtx.

but want to know your old setup. I mean if you want upgrade define what's old, man.

What's your budget? I would go for a 3rd gen r5 or r7. R7 ir you are hard multi tasker.

I rather have multiple pcs on my pipeline. One for art one for coding. Multiple monitors and transfer files over lan.

8gb minimum. 12 would be ok. But if you can go to 16gb dual channel. Really good for multi tasking.

Plus you pc has to have resemblance to what the player is going to play. Unless you plan to use it as a server.

Minimum unity reqs are Like really low. Because it can simply develop for mobile. And use very primitive everything.

Minimum solid recommended id say
Sandy i3 or I5 2400 cpu.
4gb ram.
Gpu .. a 1060 or rx 480 just because it's so cheap used nowadays. (120 usd) or a 1050 for 75 dlls.

For refence a gt 1030 could work just fine for mobile.



Normal recommended I'd say
R5 1600 - 2600 if Intel at least 8th gen.

8gb ram would do but really 12gb if you want to have multiple programs running.
16 gb for perfect value and commodity.

A mobo with at least 4 ram slots.

Rx 480 8gb or rtx 2070 pref. Get lots of vram preferably.

Ssd obviously for OS and important unity projects.

If you really want to build it yourself watch techdeals yt channel.

Check jason weibman for the best unity tutorials.
Unity 3d college on YouTube.

He has the BEST paid unity course too. But if you want to learn unity in a professional effective way. Now you know were. He was a .net Dev too, then got into gamedev.

Cheers mate.

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> Should I buy a prebuilt? And if so, how is Cyberpower vs iBuyPower? I know I want a 2070 and a 2700 but I am honestly unsure if I should build my own. I am looking at getting one of these two:
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> So I'm looking to build a work pc for uni next year and I'm gonna be using fairly taxing programs (rhino, revit, twinmotion, etc,). I have an idea of what I'm gonna need specs wise, but I kinda wanna go AMD for the CPU and maybe GPU, and I was wondering if the Vega 64 is still worth it considering it's age. I was only going to go for a 1080 if I went Nvidia, just for budget reasons. So I was wondering what would be more appropriate for what I need, or if I should go for something completely different.

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> Ryzen 2600X or 2700 for ~50 € more (2600 is not available in the sale I'm looking at)? Mainly Gaming with the occasional Stream for friends, including Webcam and running other programs in the background.

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> So I recently got an Arokh Y-2 mouse, and I'm trying to rebind one of the buttons on it to work like the Alt keys on my keyboard. The problem is that when I use the software for it to Alt in one of the options, it instead defines it as Alt+ (i.e. it's looking for a 2nd button press to go with the Alt) which kinda works but then won't "let go" of Alt, essentially acting as if I'm still holding Alt down even though I've let go of the button; but if I use a different part of the menu given to push one of the buttons on the keyboard as the button I want, it doesn't work at all.

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> Hey, greetings, my friend just got a wireless bluetooth controller (MadCatz ps3 controller) in a garage sale that can't be connected via USB, just wondering if there's a way to set it up to play on the PC, the controller can only be turned on and we can't seem to find a pairing button. His PC seems to "find" the controller but fails to "recognize" it. I read the PDF manual and it says that it came with a usb adapter to connect to the ps3. Is there a way to connect it to the PC or is he just screwed?

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> Ok so I have an asus b350 f motherboard and the rgb works but when I go to aoura sinc it doeant show up so its stuck at rainbow. I have all my drivers installed and their uptodate. Full specs: 500gb samsung ssd, g.skillz trident z 16 gb ddr4, gtx 1070 founders edition, ryzen 1700x, evga liquid cooler, evga 750 wt g2 gold

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What kind of gaming are you interested in, and what kind of workloads do you realistically think you'll do?

Above, someone listed a build for $400, but its missing monitor and keyboard and mouse, that's not really going to work. It would be better to get something like a refurbished Dell with a 3rd Gen i5, and add a GPU.

https://cpu.userbenchmark.com/Compare/Intel-Core-i5-3470-vs-Intel-Celeron-G3900/2771vsm86156

Amazon as an example

Even Better with an 3rd gen i7 and a small ssd.

You can likewise buy used GPUs as well. I don't know the used market very well, so hopefully someone can point you in that direction.

The benefit here or something like this, is it comes with a windows licence. Currently and generally those are about $100 by themselves, or 20-25% of your budget, unless you were looking to set sail or use a sketchy site. With an older prebuilt, you can find documentation and even build guides on installing GPU for your particular model. Absolute extreme work around is getting an PCI extension cable to pull the gpu out of the case.

Limitations with this is an older GPU of an SKU level will not be as resilient long term. I'm actually finally no longer exceeding recommend spec on new video games running the 4th gen i7 (it's been solid), so latest and greatest this will not do, but latest and low or medium specs at 1080 should be fine for the next few years.

If you're interested in upgrading components as you go, going with a prebuilt like the used Dells above will not be advisable as they tend to not keep standards, but if you're comfortable to do so, do it. I would recommend adding a swear jar instead: everytime you daydream about parts or complain about low textures or slow parts, add some change or dollar to a jar. Eventually you'll save up enough money and resentment to buy the things you think you want but don't fill that emptiness in your soul any more than what you have.

I'm really curious what kind of budgeting or miracles are you performing to sell a prebuilt to buy a Macbook? Outside of specific programs that run better or exclusively on Mac, even buying a used Mac meant a premium of what the hardware can do.

TLDR: PC gaming is like buying a boat: far more expensive than you think going in, there's always something to spend more money on. And the days where you really feel the sun and the wind and the water are far fewer than you realize when you spend the money.

TLDNR; Without having more info on what I described in the first paragraph. I'd say just buy a couple 10TB Easystores on sale ($180ea) and use your current SBCs and smaller server setups. After I wrote all of this I saw that you are from AUS(I think), so no clue if you can get close to $18 per TB in your area, but prices are coming down every year so sometimes better to just save $$$. It is super fun to think about a new and more powerful setup, plus buying it and putting it together, but as you can see I've done a lot of this thinking already. You are also probably feeling guilty that you have to make use of all your 2TBs, but lots of little HDDs do require more electricity to power up and cool. You need storage density and you cant get around that. Upgrade to 10TB and use the 2TB as a cold storage (backup). You are at a heck of a crossroads because the cost to go from SBCs to a "Proper" server plus buying storage isnt a cheap one. Currently there are limited stepping stones, but more powerful SBCs and Ryzen Embedded are here and on the way so wait if possible. Either way you go, you will spend more money and use up storage faster than you planned... The more powerful SBCs arent always cheap either, once you factor in cost of: memory card, power supply, case, possible heatsink/extra heat sinks, a fan, etc. Their lower price starts creeping into the middle range...


What brand, how many, and how long have the 2TBs been powered on for? It sounds like you are currently swapping out the 2TBs for others depending on what you want to watch and on which HDD it is? Do you have any projected storage numbers and what is your current and future budget? You mentioned that you have a small dedicated server? Is that another SBC or what is with that setup and how many sata ports? I'd forgo the transcoding ideas and nix buying any sort of new "Server" options. Focus on reusing what you have or going with a "Used" setup, so you can start saving that money for when 8TB or 10TB Easystores go on sale.

IMO for a true new build you'd want to price in ECC RAM, UPS, and I personally prefer a case that has hot swap access to HDDs. The Rosewill that meemo linked cant be beat for the price especially since it comes with 7 fans, but it requires extra steps to access the HDDs (internally only), which may be fine for you. There is Mediasonic (JBOD version only) that you could plug into your SBC, but that technically isnt hot swappable either, plus it is USB 3.1 to USB-C which isnt the worst but it isnt the best... I know you wanted to get away from SBCs, but if you disable transcoding there are some SBCs that use SATA to SATA connections that are very viable. Any SBC or standalone storage that uses USB is a potential risk, since USB can suffer connection issues when doing rebuilding, parity, and scrubbing maintenance (same if your power goes out, hence a need for UPS). Helios4 is a time restricted option, since they only open up orders once or twice a year (they are currently taking orders). *I saw a post saying that since the Helios4 is a 32bit processor, so it is limited to 16TB volumes. You get 2GB ECC + 4x SATA and I believe you can use any HDD size with that (double check tho), so 4 separate 10TB volumes (4x$180sale=$720+tax), not including parity... I'm not sure how the 32bit and the 16TB volume limit effect drive pooling... I gotta research more into that. I'm not familiar with the UnRaid, FreeNAS, or the other options that you mentioned, but OpenMediaVault4 has MergerFS drive pooling and Snapraid plugin, you could run 3x storage HDD and 1x parity or you could forgo parity for now. If you prefer Windows (You can also run omv4 on windows in a VM) there is Stablebit Drivepool (Not free) for pooling and then Snapraid (not completely novice friendly) for parity. Depending on the HDD type you could reuse the discarded Easystore enclosures and put your 2TB drives in there (still USB connection). If they are a different brand (non WD/HGST) I think you have to desolder something on the Easystore board? I lost the link on how to do that. You could also just keep the 2TB as cold storage backups, but that still carries a risk, but it's cheaper. You could also get 2nd Helios, but for about the same price you could use that money on a 10TB. That would replace 5x of your 2TB drives... Not too mention the extra electricity to power and cool 5x drives vs 1x drive... As you can see, storage density starts coming into play here, big time.
UPS https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B00429N18S/
Mediasonic https://www.amazon.com/dp/B078YQHWYW/
Helios4 https://shop.kobol.io/collections/frontpage/products/helios4-full-kit-2gb-ecc-3rd-batch-pre-order?variant=18881501528137
https://www.reddit.com/r/DataHoarder/comments/as17od/helios4_batch_3_available_for_preorder/

There are other SATA SBCs that you could use and you could also do a janky setup and put the SATA SBCs inside a hot swappable case like this Silverstone one. There are other cases, but this is the only name that came to mind. This case also doesnt have any power supply or fans to cool the HDDs so there will be extra cost there, plus you'll need a power supply, PLUS a way to turn on your power supply (with a power board), since that SBC setup wont have a motherboard. You can also make your own "Dumb" JBOD HDD enclosure and connect that to your mini server. Another option to SBCs is the ASRock cpu+mobo line: J3455-ITX, J4105-ITX, annd J5005-ITX. The issue with this that it appears you are still limited to 4x SATA or other variations of these boards have a PCIe 2.0 x16 slot at x1 or x2 transfer lanes/speed instead of x8 or x16... Also you have to factor in the price of ram and a mini PICO power supply. There is a subreddit+website that focuses on used parts for cheap server setups, but you might want to verify the power consumption of those setups when they are idling. With the NAS killer option, you gotta make sure all of the parts are still available on ebay or refurb sites, plus make sure you have time to build your setup to verify everything is working plus stress test it before the return window closes to weed out any weak used parts.
Silverstone https://www.amazon.com/dp/B00IAELTAI/
HDD enclosure option https://www.amazon.com/Rosewill-5-25-Inch-3-5-Inch-Hot-swap-SATAIII/dp/B00DGZ42SM/
Power Board https://www.amazon.com/Super-Micro-Computer-Supermicro-Cse-ptjbod-cb2/dp/B008FQZHZE
J3455-ITX https://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=13-157-728
https://www.serverbuilds.net/nas-killer-v30/

Another option if you really want transcoding and a more powerful "Server" would be a Dell Optiplex 7010, which are used business computers that are "Refurbished", but I think they just take them from that company and wipe the hard drive, nothing else. The Minitower Desktop version is roomier than the slightly cheaper SFF (SmallFormFactor) version, which might be important if you want to swap out the power supply, watch the youtube video to get an idea of what you are getting into. Since a cheap power supply is a weak point plus a potential hazard I'd recommend swapping in a new power supply, but you could risk it with its current power supply. Everything else should last for a good while. You'll also need to install a HBA card. You can get Genuine used cards that were in good working order or you could get a new knock off from China. Both options are viable, but personally I prefer the used option. Theartofserver, ebay seller, also has a youtube channel, so I purchased from him, but I have also purchased from other sellers and got good working parts (I think Ebay still has the most honest and accurate rating system out there?). Since the Optiplex doesnt have room for internal HDDs then you are left with a few options with various HBA cards (internal vs external), expander cards, and adapter setups (SFF-8087 to SFF-8088). If you want it to look "Proper" there will be a lot of wasted money on 2x adapters (1x Optiplex + 1x external HDD enclosure) and an extra SFF-8088 cable between the two. I'd just go janky with it and get a longer reverse breakout cable of 3.3feet (4x SATA to 1x SFF-8087), which should be long enough to go from your external HDDs setup into the Optiplex case and internally connected to the HBA card, like the popular 9201-8i. The janky part being that you'll have the reverse breakout cable snaking directly into each case, instead of plugging into an adapter in the back.
https://www.amazon.com/dp/B01K0GNUOG/
https://www.amazon.com/Cable-Matters-Internal-Breakout-SFF-8087/dp/B018YHS9GM
https://www.ebay.com/itm/Genuine-LSI-6Gbps-SAS-HBA-LSI-9201-8i-9211-8i-P20-IT-Mode-ZFS-FreeNAS-unRAID/162958581156
Single adapter https://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16816133055
Double adapter https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B01GPD9QEQ/
SFF-8080 cable https://www.amazon.com/Norco-Technologies-C-SFF8088-External-SFF-8088/dp/B003J9CZCK/

So here's my take on that first PC. It's a fair price for what you get, for sure. BUT, what you get is really unimpressive. It reaches the minimum requirements for skyrim but falls short of the recommended specs. I mean, when I was into PC gaming back in high school, I always had pretty terrible PC's, but I just kind of made due and had a good time. I'm not saying that if you buy that PC you'll for sure regret it, but it's definitely pretty behind the times.

Here's one for a bit more but is a lot better:
http://www.amazon.com/SkyTech-Archangel-ST-FX6300-8GB1TB-GTX750TI-Computer-FX-6300/dp/B01CUZKM3C/ref=sr_1_3?s=pc&ie=UTF8&qid=1464314253&sr=1-3&keywords=gaming+pc

With the one I just recommended, I tried to put a similar build together on PCPartpicker and it came in around 500 with an operating system.

So, my conclusion is that you can get an alright PC if you buy prebuilt, and you could very well be happy with it if you don't want to mess with putting it together. But honestly, it's pretty easy to put it together. And when you say you're not tech savvy, that's alright, you don't have to be. It's like people who say they're bad at cooking. There's no such thing. It just boils down to following directions. Can you follow directions? Unless you're a slug, the answer is yes. Then you can cook or build a PC or do whatever it is you're trying to do.

Hi all, I am considering buying the Micca MB42X. Unfortunately being in Canada I get a little shafted on the price: $133 on Amazon, and the recommended amp is another $100. I could actually get the LSR305 for less after factoring in needing to buy cables and then taxes.

I currently have an Aune T1 connected to my computer with Sennheiser HD558s which I removed the foam from. I also have cheap Altec Lansing (https://www.amazon.ca/Altec-Lansing-VS26212-1-Speaker-System/dp/B0025VKUQQ) speakers hooked up, but they are currently around my TV so I don't do any critical listening with them, just gaming and Netflix. This is just to give an idea of what I have listened to before.

These would initially be for my small bedroom, though I would not be opposed to moving them around if they sound good or if I expand later. My living room is pretty open and probably too big for them unless I just used them as near field computer speakers. Computer is in the living room, not the bedroom.

I have two big questions:

1 - Is there a budget-but-good receiver that you guys recommend to allow upgrades and expandability more so than just buying that amp might? Such as adding a turntable or using for home theater later etc. Not sure if would want 5.1 or 2.1. 2.1 if it stays for bedroom but not against 5.1 if I was to later use it for home theatre. Is there a "not THAT much more than the amp" option I could think about? Ninja edit: With better than Class D?

2 - For the price that the MB42X plus amp cost in Canada, is there potentially a better option? As I said I can get the LSR305 for less. The PB42X isn't even listed on Amazon.ca... I've seen people say that some Pioneers etc might be better if you're not getting a good deal on the Miccas. I am also confused about why active speaker wattage is so low compared to passive+amp, but was gonna ask that question in the tech support thread.

Thanks!

Yep, I imagined that it would be a problem to change the motherboard out.

The only time I messed around with that was years ago when helping to build my nephew's project computer, and I don't overall have much experience with it, so I won't be messing with it now. The only reason I'd want to potentially do that is to support a better processor, anyway, and I'm getting a pretty sweet quad-core (over my dual-core, which I'm surprised runs Windows 10 as well as it does but is starting to bog down under features, load times etc.

Basically the same effect as has been hitting my 2nd-generation iPad because of the many updates to iOS 9; much longer load times, sometimes crashes or force-closures, things like that. I'll be SO happy to get this new computer, I'll tell you.

(It's this one: the ASUS M32CD.)

Intel core i5-6400 (my current computer is core i5-650); basically that's the most that'll change except the smaller (1TB) hard drive but I can add on the one that's in this current computer that I'm using now, if it comes to that, I hope :)

Thanks for your help, though! :)

Within that budget, I would definitely ensure I get the best Graphics card and processor combo I can get. This Gamer Xtreme GXi10200A would be a very good pick..It has the awesome 7th gen quad core i7 processor ( one of the best CPUs available), 16 GB RAM which is great, a fast SSD plus a TB storage space and of course, it has the Solid GTX 1060 Ti dedicated graphics card. This should run the latest games today very well and do a great job in video or photo editing.

i picked up a XG35QV open-box for $530 to get a feel for what size UW might work for new office/desk.

I go through gaming phases but mostly use my machine (intel nuc NUC8i7HVK w/8th Gen Intel Core i7 8809G & Radeon RX Vega M GH 1Ghz 4GB mem graphics) for 3d modeling, video editing, and coding.

the obvious long-term solution will be a wall-mount (it arrives tomorrow), but until I get my keyboard + monitor height just right, and build my standing memory-foam-pad, I can't be sure of the exact height, so don't want to install a wall mount just yet

Does anyone have a suggestion for a monitor, preferably with less of a gamer-vibe (my office space shares with the guest room, so to please the SO), that has a lower-profile stand? this one is pushed back as far as it can go and the screen still starts about 12" from the wall.

also open to suggestions in general on the best 35" to buy/wait for. i prefer buying open-box on amazon for 30+% off but appreciate the importance of a quality monitor and will spend the $ for new, if it's the best option/value.

finally, is the xg35qv a good value for $540? what should I have purchased instead if not (stand irrelevant)?

This pc has a much worse CPU but a better GPU, SSD, and 16 gigs of RAM. (Extra money for monitor and keyboard/mouse/headset?)

This PC has an 8th gen i7, a 1060, 16 gigs of RAM, an SSD and an HDD (but no extra monies)

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This PC Has a pretty good CPU, a 1060 GPU, an SSD+HDD, but 8gigs of ram. (But is way cheaper so you can install more ram later.

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These GPUs definitely can't last 7 years but can easily last 3-4. Personally I would choose the one in the middle if you really want this for 7 years. If you want something 100% future proof for atleast 5 or 6 years, I would choose this: amazing PC with a big SSD, liquid cooling, a 1070ti with 8 gigs of ram, and a 6-core i7-8700k. This PC is similar

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Lastly, This PC will meet you in the middle with a 6 gig GPU for a long while, 16 gigs of ram, an SSD, and an i7.

Personally I would choose this one if you really want this for 7 years without breaking the bank.

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Again, good luck and let me know if you need anything else. Enjoy!

No.

First off, $50 for a mono, unpowered speaker? No thanks.

Second, ceramics have terrible acoustic properties; there's a reason that both musical instruments and speaker enclosures are usually made out of metals, woods and plastics: they sound better. I'm not sure of the exact physics behind it, but I believe the plasticity of the materials gives them a wider range of frequencies. Glasses and ceramics are very brittle and, I believe, will tend to have a very narrow range of harmonic frequencies. This is why glasses and ceramics tend to only be used in instruments that make a single frequency: jugs and bells.

If you want unpowered mp3 speakers, I'd recommend these Sonys.

If you want great sound for under $50, get a Logitech or Altec Lansing powered 2.1 system like this or this.

If you want to save up for a top of the line set of speakers, you can store your money in one of these handy ceramic pigs. Nowadays it's probably safer than a real bank.

Yeah. For example, You can get Asus M32 pre-built from Amazon for 399$. Its a rig with i5-6400, 8GB of RAM, 1TB 7200 HDD, and Windows 10 bundled. Also has basic keyboard and mouse. The case is kinda meh, but it has 80mm exhaust fan, and Skylake CPUs are very cool running anyway. A perfect fit for it would actually be a reference RX 480 - because of blower cooler design, it will not cause a buildup of heat inside the case, and thus the subpar airflow is not much of an issue.

So, thats 399$ for the rig, 199$ for RX 480 4GB version, and 40$ for a decent 600w power supply. You don't actually need 600w for that rig - but PSU is a good investment, watts don't get obsolete so you can re-use it in the future, and 500-400w units are not that much cheaper anyway. Thats 650$ in total for a rig with i5, 8GB of RAM, RX 480 - a perfect set-up for 1080p gaming.

You can then buy a VX2257-MHD - which is a 1080p-60Hz monitor with FreeSync. Thats another 150$.

So, we have a fully working gaming rig now, for 800$. Which means - there is still 100$ free in the budget. So, 240GB SSD for 65$ is an obvious choice at this point.

Total cost ~865$. For a rig that can max out pretty much any game at 1080p, with FreeSync.

This is more or less how you do it.

Hey hey, just coming back to ask you a question... What do you think of this setup?
https://www.amazon.com/dp/B07GG62872/ref=s9_acsd_bw_wf_a_BTSmainw_cdl_4?pf_rd_m=ATVPDKIKX0DER&pf_rd_s=merchandised-search-4&pf_rd_r=AS7FYKC4NZ2W6SX5ADA6&pf_rd_t=101&pf_rd_p=433e8818-d272-4fe1-982e-e584e87386b1&pf_rd_i=15201447011#customerReviews

It is currently a promotion for black friday on amazon, and I think it would be better for the price.
The price established above for the parts we picked in this thread seems to be achievable via a couple of rebate coupons, which I don't have access to since I am ordering this computer from Central America, hence the price actually goes around 1200.

So: 1200 for the one we've built so far, or, 1200 for the one on the amazon link above... which would be best?

Thank you so much for reading, I appreciate your help, you've been awesome and kind to give some of your time to help someone out, I appreciate it.

I feel like the price is a little high for those specs. For reference, I took 2 seconds to look and I found this on Amazon. Obviously take this with a grain of salt bc I'm way too tired to be giving sound advice but I feel like you can get more for 1000 euros (~$1104 in freedom units).

Ninja edit: Just found this too, and I haven't even gone to any of the sites I'd recommend to look for PC's. I'm sure the machine you saw is great and it def will work for what you need it to, but I think you may be able to do better elsewhere.

I have the Hades Canyon NUC ( https://www.amazon.com/Intel-Machine-NUC8i7HVK-Radeon-Graphics/dp/B07BR5GK1V/ref=sr_1_3?crid=GM07KLWPS826&keywords=hades+canyon+nuc&qid=1555074370&s=gateway&sprefix=hades+canyon%2Caps%2C128&sr=8-3 ) but I don't game and stream at the same time off of it. I added 16gb ram and a WD Black M.2 500gb stick to it and I use it as a secondary dedicated streaming PC which wasn't the original reason for buying it. I'm actually working towards selling it and building a PC more meant for streaming when the new Ryzen line comes out because I want to push out as much quality as I can. I have a fiber connection so the PC is the bottleneck.

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That aside.. As a dedicated streaming box with an HD60s hooked up feeding from my gaming PC, as well as a CamLink to my mirrorless camera, I've been able to have it going at 'fast' preset for 810p/60fps @ 6,000 bitrate and the CPU usage ranges between 40-70% in StreamElements OBS. I used to try pushing it to medium, 720p/60fps @ 6,000 bitrate and that would constantly be around 80-90%+ CPU and crash the whole system at times. Both scenarios is usually streaming more visually active games with a lot of screen movement.

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Certainly you can be less aggressive with the quality output and I'm sure something like this can handle some lightweight gaming on it. I'd be shocked if it couldn't handle both streaming and something like Runescape at the same itme.

This was my response before

You clearly underestimate how long 2 hours really last. If you're playing a game, getting really pissed off and not enjoying your time after 1 hour, it would be reasonable to not want to own the game anymore. You mentioned PC games running worse than consoles. Even if that were true, you could just refund the game until the company optimizes it much better (which is what people did when Arkham Knight came out; and W.B Games actually listened to them)

I'm sorry I didn't cite my sources last time. So I'll do it this time https://www.cnbc.com/2019/09/10/game-stop-shares-fall-after-second-quarter-profit-and-revenue-miss.html https://www.usatoday.com/story/money/2019/09/10/gamestop-store-closings-2019-retailer-closing-up-200-stores/2279343001/ https://www.fool.com/investing/2019/06/08/how-much-did-gamestops-sales-fall.aspx

"Where are these companies that make PCs that will stomp console? Never mind it’s in fantasy land" I dunno man. NZXT BLD and OriginPC seem pretty real. Also a prebuilt PC with an RX 580 and a Ryzen 7 2700 CPU only costs about $650 https://www.amazon.com/Dell-Inspiron-Desktop-Processor-Graphics/dp/B07Q3G3B67/ref=sr_1_6?keywords=gaming+PC&qid=1568421808&s=gateway&sr=8-6

Oh I can't ever accept that I'm wrong? I'm sorry, I guess the word objective just completely disappeared from the english dictionary. I guess Better Framerats, Graphics, Upgrade-able hardware, free online, convenience, options, freedoms don't exist to you. Also, don't compare me to liberals. The liberals you're thinking of are completely closed minded.

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  The fact that you have to use ad hominem attacks in your rebuttle clearly shows how emotionally attached you are to your stance on this subject.
  
  
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  I know you're probably not the biggest fan of me, but if you ever change your mind about PC gaming, then here's an alternative to building your PC or buying a $600 prebuilt. Get a PC like the Dell Optiplex 7010 which actually has no proprietary parts as far as I'm concerned https://www.amazon.com/Dell-OptiPlex-7010-Minitower-Desktop/dp/B01K0GNUOG/ref=sxin_3_sxwds-bovbs?keywords=dell+optiplex+7010&pd_rd_i=B01K0GNUOG&pd_rd_r=05da0e7d-1fb9-45c2-ac21-d8943f19ee8d&pd_rd_w=zQkzL&pd_rd_wg=Mou8g&pf_rd_p=b866bc3b-cfe5-45c1-897c-a8525a3335d9&pf_rd_r=5DFECSZRTKW3165Y70EN&qid=1568423180&s=gateway
  
  Then what you can do is replace the PSU inside of it with a 3rd party PSU from EVGA, Corsair or Seasonic. Make sure that it's either 80+ or 80+ bronze certified at the very least. After that, you can add pretty much any GPU (the RX 570 4gb is definitely a recommendation) and there you go. You can basically play any game at 1080p60 medium-high settings. An rx 570 is only about $130-150 and a psu like the one I mentioned is about $35-50.
  
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  So what? Did I win the argument? Were my points stupid? Is there nothing more to respond to?

Prebuilt computers in the $700-$800 can play Rift. Just be sure they have at least a GPU of Rx 470 or GTX 1050ti or higher. I would try to avoid AMD FX cpus as they are not great and AMD has already phased them out with the much better AMD Ryzen cpu.

Amazon had a lot of these $700-$800 VR ready builds, but they seem to all be sold out (I'm guessing because of the summer Rift deal). Although Best Buy gas some good comparable systems.


Out if the 4 below, this build from Amazon is the least desirable

SkyTech ArchAngel GTX 1050 Ti Gaming Computer Desktop PC FX-6300 3.50 GHz 6-Core, GTX 1050 Ti 4GB, 8GB DDR3, 1TB HDD, 24X DVD, Wi-Fi USB, Windows 10 Pro 64-bit, White (GTX 1050 Ti Version) https://www.amazon.com/dp/B01M3UKNVD/ref=cm_sw_r_cp_apa_f6JFzb5JW3CWZ

This is a pretty good deal. HP Omen

http://www.bestbuy.com/site/hp-omen-by-hp-desktop-intel-core-i5-8gb-memory-nvidia-geforce-gtx-1060-1tb-hard-drive-brushed-aluminum/5759916.p?skuId=5759916

A good Cyberpowerpc (samne brand I have)

http://www.bestbuy.com/site/cyberpowerpc-gamer-xtreme-vr-desktop-intel-core-i5-8gb-memory-nvidia-geforce-gtx-1060-1tb-hard-drive-black-blue/5712949.p?skuId=5712949

Another Cyberpowerpc but with AMD Ryzen and AMD RX 580

http://www.bestbuy.com/site/cyberpowerpc-gamer-ultra-desktop-amd-ryzen-5-1400-8gb-memory-amd-radeon-rx-580-1tb-hard-drive-black/5833100.p?skuId=5833100

Ok, well here are some options I have found for you that would be immensely better than the FX 4300 build.

$980 Ryzen R7 1700x based build with an Rx 580 8gb. Needs another 8gb of RAM, and preferably an SSD for a boot drive to get the most out of it. Will still do quite well for gaming at 1080p in AAA titles. Will do very well for streaming via OBS due to its 8 powerful cores.

$1000 i7 8700 based build, slightly weaker graphics card, but better CPU for strictly gaming (slightly weaker streaming ability, but very good still) same problems as the other build. No SSD, needs more RAM. Here

Here is a build that is very well rounded. It has a good CPU, pretty good graphics card (not as good as the 580 8gb), but it has an SSD boot drive and 16gb of RAM. If you could afford this one, it would probably be my pick. Here $1180.

If you're up for a challenge and you dig low power draw low cost, you could try espressobin (just google it). The toughest part is finding a case; I had to order one from a vendor that prints from designs on thingiverse. (I'd advise going with ABS plastic, not PLA, if you go this route.) By the time you buy espressobin, a 32G sdcard, a power supply, and a case, you're out about 135 or 140 bucks.

I actually just bought the espressobin + bits and pieces myself; everything's here but the case, which I'm still waiting for. Full disclosure: no HDMI out on espressobin, so if you're not okay with needing to go serial console, it's not going to be for you. And since I haven't built it yet, I don't know what the performance will be like (though I'd confidently put it up against even high-end consumer gear on spec, given that it's similar CPU to what's in a Netgear Nighthawk, and given how well plain Ubuntu did versus various devices in my tests at Ars Technica). Still... it's a gamble. Ya feelin' lucky? =)

Other than that, literally just look for Celeron builds from Qotom on Amazon. The one I purchased most recently is still available; I make no guarantees it's the absolute best model to buy right now, I literally just dug it out of my order list, but it still shows available at $170 after shipping. https://smile.amazon.com/gp/product/B019Z8T9J0/ You'll spend around $300 total after adding RAM and an SSD to one of these, depending on what exactly you opt for there.

Qotom also has i3 and i5 versions of the same machine available, for about $100 to $150 more. If you want the extra muscle. You won't likely need the extra muscle if all it's going to be doing is acting as a router, of course, but sometimes more firepower is more firepower, right? =)

I found these 2, but for the life of me I couldn't find one with 16GB or RAM.

$710 - CYBERPOWERPC - i5-9400F, B360, GTX 1660, 8GB (1x8GB, 2400), 240GB SSD, 1TB HDD, WiFi

$660 - SkyTech - Ryzen 5 2600, GTX 1660, 8GB (1x8GB, 3000), 500G SSD, WiFi

I'm leaning towards the Ryzen pc. I like the faster memory, and while it has less storage, I personally would prefer the larger 500GB SSD over an 240GB SSD + 1TB HDD combo.

One thing to also keep in mind is that it is a single stick of memory. Having 8GB of RAM in dual channel (2 sticks that are 4GB each) is better than single channel (1 stick that is 8GB), but having a single 8GB stick means that in the future, if you do decide to upgrade to 16GB, you will be able to run the most ideal RAM setup for gaming (2 sticks that are 8GB each)

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For reference:

1 stick of RAM that is 8GB 3000 would cost around $30-40. It's a large margin cause ideally you want to buy the same model that is in your current rig so they match. While it isn't required, running RAM at the same speed and latency (and same DRAM cache modules) is ideal.

1-2TB HDDs are around $30-50

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Both of these are also very easy to install.

Hello, this might not be the place for it but I'm looking to finally get a prebuilt gaming desktop.

On top of gaming I foresee heavily using programs like Unity and Blender.

I've narrowed it down to a few deals that look pretty good to me but I'm not sure which to pull the trigger on:

https://www.amazon.com/SkyTech-Shiva-Gaming-Computer-Desktop/dp/B07RPCG8ZW/ref=sr_1_37?keywords=gaming+desktop&qid=1563242591&s=electronics&sr=1-37

https://smile.amazon.com/dp/B07RVMX6JW/ref=s9_acsd_bw_wf_a_BTSmainw_cdl_2?pf_rd_m=ATVPDKIKX0DER&pf_rd_s=merchandised-search-4&pf_rd_r=N8DKSSV6P790ACS38EBS&pf_rd_t=101&pf_rd_p=968e1d24-e0e2-432c-8905-a2ad69783ef3&pf_rd_i=16128680011

https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B07MCVWJMV/ref=ox_sc_act_title_1?smid=ATVPDKIKX0DER&th=1

I'm not sure whether SkyTech or iBuyPower has a better reputation, but the specs overall seem pretty similar between these.

Thanks!

The protectli works well.
Here's the Amazon link
I bought the storage and RAM as a bundle, but an mSATA drive is what you want as the unit runs pretty warm. Keep it away from anything that is heat sensitive.

FreeNAS is great! It's been around for years, and ZFS is rock solid. I'm using the SSD as an L2ARC, and I've segregated all storage traffic to a separate subnet across two NICs on all servers, which makes a huge difference!

I do recommend finding a case that will keep the spinning drive noise to a minimum and putting money into RAM over a faster CPU.

oVirt works well. I'm not running the "self-hosted" engine. I tried it, but there's some glitch that prevented me from moving that VM from one host to another. I find that I don't need that flexibility anyway.

get a office prebuilt with a alot of them come with strong CPU's like i5's etc, then make sure the motherboard support a r9 280X and a extra ram kit and he should be good to go. just dont get ANYTHING that says ''ultimate GAAAYYYMER PC'' on it. etc something like this EDIT: http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B014QVM2KO just replace the PSU with a evga 500b cost like 30 bucks and install the GPU and he will be good to go. with a legit win 10 copy, a i5 6400 (its meh for gaming) a 1tb hdd and 8gb of ram

Can definitely be worth it.

So NUCs use laptop/mobile CPUs. If you're doing office work and 2D gaming they're pretty neat. cpu.userbenchmark.com can help with comparisons.

Most NUCs use a 15w mobile chip. (Chips with a "U" at the end of the name) Mobile 6-th and 7th-gen CPUs are 2 core 4 threads, for the i5 and i7. These are like slower versions of the desktop pentiums in a way. These are slower than the i5-4460.

You can also find NUCs with i7-****HQ chips. These are 4 core 8 thread, 45w chips. These will perform... actually better in some cases than the i5 4460. The more expensive NUCs with the HQ CPUs also come with faster "iris pro" integrated graphics, which still isn't enough for modern 3D games except at 720p low/medium settings

Truthfully I'd recommend a cheaper model cause it's all you need, though this i7 model is on a pretty crazy sale right now.

A friend of mine is looking into getting into PC gaming and has been asking for advice. I've been trying to steer him towards building a machine, but he seems adamant about wanting a prebuilt.

I've built all of my computers, and don't really know much about which manufacturers/builders are generally better in terms of quality.

https://www.amazon.com/iBUYPOWER-Computer-Trace-062A-DDR4-2666/dp/B07MCVWJMV/

His budget is ~1200 at the moment, and he seems to really like this one.

On paper... it doesn't seem like an awful deal as far as price goes, seems to cost about the same as what the components would cost when I throw up something roughly equivalent on pcpartpicker, but they're pretty vague about some things like not listing mobo type or whether it's 1 16gb stick or 2 8gb sticks of ram.

I personally would steer him more towards getting something with a 2600x and a 2070. Or maybe buying a cheaper build like this that he could upgrade down the line. I'd also probably would recommend that he wait until bios issues are sorted with b350 boards and then get something with a r5 3600x.

Thoughts?

Is there a prebuilt machine that you'd recommend for someone with a budget of $1200?

Should I buy a prebuilt? And if so, how is Cyberpower vs iBuyPower? I know I want a 2070 and a 2700 but I am honestly unsure if I should build my own. I am looking at getting one of these two:

CyberPower PC

iBuyPower

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I want to know if their build quality is good and which one does a better job at proving actual support (I remember LTT did a video about the different prebuilt companies but I am more concerned in prompt service, like how they were able to resolve your actual hardware problems, i.e. bad fan or bad gpu etc.)

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I looked similar stuff/same stuff (the things I could find closest to) for the iBuyPower build on PCPartPicker and it basically came to about 100 bucks cheaper, without the OS and that is still me having to put everything together. I honestly don't mind building a PC but the idea of saving all my time and just spending a little more money is very very alluring. Any suggestions? Am I being a fool by even thinking about doing this, I know it's not a very PCMR thing to buy prebuilts but the price seems right and the idea of building it sounds like it isn't worth it just to save like 100-200 bucks.

it's an OK deal, nothing crazy. The gtx 1050ti is a pretty entry level GPU, great for esport games but not really for modern AAA titles. I'd rather have 8gb of RAM if it means getting an rx 570 or rx 580.

this pc costs only 25% more, but will perform about 80% better (actually a steal at this price)
https://www.amazon.com/iBUYPOWER-Desktop-Graphics-View21-035A/dp/B07D5S3LZM/ref=sr_1_9?s=electronics&ie=UTF8&qid=1537995252&sr=1-9&keywords=cyberpowerpc

so it's a better performance/price ratio

Or, in the ~650 range, I think I'd rather have this for gaming

https://www.amazon.com/Dell-Inspiron-Desktop-Graphics-Operating/dp/B0771NRPN4/ref=sr_1_4?s=electronics&ie=UTF8&qid=1537995459&sr=1-4&keywords=dell+inspiron+rx+570

much better GPU, but less RAM (8gb fine for now), and no SSD. However, SSD's are very cheap these days, 120gb is enough for the OS.

http://gpu.userbenchmark.com/Compare/Nvidia-GTX-1050-Ti-vs-AMD-RX-570/3649vs3924


in the end, if it's primarily a gaming machine (no video editing, photoshop, etc. needed), you should almost always go for the best GPU possible in your price bracket. That will give you the best performance in game.

Could also buy yourself a nice monitor, or some good gear like keyboards and a mice to be honest aswell

but if you wanted to buy from amazon this would be your best option for the price

https://www.amazon.com/SkyTech-Shiva-Gaming-Computer-Desktop/dp/B07RPCG8ZW/ref=sr_1_4?keywords=gaming+desktop+rtx+2060&qid=1566231012&s=gateway&sr=8-4

Edit: you can pay using amazon pay from Ibuypower at checkout! so you might be able to use the gift cards (not 100% on that)! and if you wanted I could make some more changes to it because when it becomes over 1000 you can use a promo code to make it 5% off and it brings it back to like 950ish

What about a Zotac mini PC with a 1060 and Core i5 for $1000. You still need to add the RAM and the storage but it's still pretty good value for a no brainer solution.

There's also the NUC Skull Canyon which will keep you under $1000 with RAM and storage. It comes with an Intel GPU but a pretty powerful one. It's also compatible with eGPU via Thunderbolt 3 USB-C so it can be expanded in the future with a real GPU.

From the pre-built I got: https://www.amazon.com/gp/aw/d/B07RHBLV7F?psc=1&ref=ppx_pop_mob_b_asin_title
Came with one 8gb stick from Ballistix, got it when it was 660 (so pretty good deal for me along with the dell 24in monitor that's been here) I've been playing mostly apex tbh lol but damn not gonna lie it looks alot better on my pc then it does my ps4. (Have it at max settings and get around 100 fps) Going to mostly be playing light games like Apex and streaming going to stay with other triple A titles on console so I haven't pushed it to it's max, however these two PC's might go harder considering they have better specs and can be pushed more. I just wanted peeps to know that the company is pretty decent with builds if you wanna buy a pre-built or go to their website and pick parts so they can build it how you want (considered that first)

vLANs themselves don't really have bandwidth benefits; they reduce broadcast domains, and they can simplify QoS I find it unlikely that you have a broadcast domain problem. QoS necessity is totally dependent on bandwidth and usage.
 
I'm not sure what the minimum hardware would be for the performance you need. Personally, my network is built on Lenovo TS140s (E3-1225v3) with used quad port Sun NICs and Chelsio T2 10GBe adapters. I can push a LOT of packets, but don't have a great idea of minimum performance. Also, I have no experience at the moment with pfSense, working with Sophos, Vyos, Sonicwall and HP products mostly.
[Something like this would be intereseting] (https://www.amazon.com/Firewall-Micro-Appliance-PFSense-barebones/dp/B01GIVQI3M/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1485580586&sr=8-1&keywords=network+appliance)
[pfSense hardware guide] (https://www.pfsense.org/hardware/)
 
Your existing hardware is a box I've toyed with using for a portable appliance a couple of times. The edge router, internal router setup is common; it separates duties and provides some sense of security. Level of security is arguable, but we'll leave that for now. The big Ubiquiti routers I mentioned are nice because they get you almost all the performance/features of high-end layer 3 switches in a fairly low cost. I'd pick the Edgerouter Pro; bump up the CPUfor about a 5-10% cost increase. A number of cheaper layer 3 switch options don't perform the same way. I know Mikrotik CRS devices have abysmal routing features while being extraordinarily good deals for basic layer 2 functions. On the other hand, I've verified that the Edgeswitch 48 can at least route 10Gbps. Unsure of the cheap dlinks, DGS-1500-20 looks interesting if it performs
 
If you are just a performance fiend, the sale price Xeon E3 servers, combined with network cards with offload capabilities, will just wreck anything else you'd likely want to afford. Barring that, I think the Edgeswitch/Edgerouter options are probably going to outperform anything else in the affordable range. The Dlink I linked above might actually be the cheapest option, but I haven't managed to verify it's routing performance.
 
Apologies if I've just muddied up the waters on the process; I'll review my post when I'm not falling asleep. In the meantime, do you have any definition of performance you're looking to improve? I'm sure we can point you in the right direction, but as I stated, VLANning alone won't see any significant performance enhancement.

If you really want to do it, maybe you can look into seeing if there are computer labs around to get you by and give you enough time to get a more capable machine? I guess I think it would be a shame for you not to pursue something you might very well love because of equipment. We all start on less than optimal equipment.

With that being said, it's not just a surface pro or nothing. You just went to the top of the line with that choice.

You might consider a lesser laptop (i5 at least with large amount of RAM) or even a desktop?

For example, here is a mid grade laptop for $449 at amazon that has an i5 processor and 8GB of ram. It's no Surface Pro, but it should get you by. I understand this is still a shit ton of money for a student possible, but it is half of what you were planning to spend.

Here is a desktop (without monitor) for under $500. Very upgradable in the future!

Also perhaps it would be wise to look at Newegg.com and build your own desktop machine. You can save a ton of money, get exactly what you need, and they are pretty easy to put together.

You want to get a processor that supports aes-ni. That will allow SSL acceleration (opnvpn) and is also being required as of pfSense 2.5 and up.

I would choose this machine and purchase an unmanaged switch for your devices.

Hope that helps!

2nd edit; I was am an idiot... OK, Here you go. Under budget and should do what you need....

You can use this Zotac Barebones PC w/ the Celeron N3150 processor that supports AES-NI. Add some RAM and a SSD. Finally a Managed 8 Port Switch.

1st edit; Did not realize that I linked a celeron ( thanks u/suziesamantha ) as I thought it was a j1900 processor and then realized that the bay trail's also don't have aes-ni support. Sorry for the wrong information. The router I built is based on the Atom Rangley chip. You can use this link to help find aes-ni support.

What's your price budget for each of the PC tiers? This PC plus a GTX 980 is under $1000 very close to $1000 and would very handily run anything you can throw at it. Not sure where that sits on your pricing tier, but thought it might be food for thought.

If that's on your high end, I'd probably go for option 1 to get the best experience possible (and wait to buy the headset until more content and reviews come out if you can bear it).

That being said, I love playing games with my GF, so I definitely understand the appeal there. If you're routinely away from home or do long distance for periods of time I'd definitely go option 3 since you can watch movies together. :D

Edit: Not under a $1000, just a touch over it.

https://www.newegg.com/p/1VK-0001-4S7R8?Item=9SIACAGA170269

Here's another option with more RAM and a better CPU in the same price bracket. Either would be fine for Minecraft. Good luck! You're a good parent.

https://www.amazon.com/Dell-OptiPlex-7010-Minitower-Desktop/dp/B01K0GNUOG/ref=sr_1_13?keywords=desktop+PC&qid=1570391136&sr=8-13

Here's another similar option for less as well.

https://www.amazon.com/HP-ProDesk-600-G1-SFF/dp/B07BCGW85X/ref=sr_1_19?keywords=desktop+pc&qid=1570391462&sr=8-19

Here's a pretty thrifty option with a 4th gen i5. Ultimately, this is what I'd go with. If you're savvy, toss an SSD into them later on the cheap.

CYBERPOWERPC Gamer Supreme Liquid Cool Gaming PC Desktop, Intel Core i7-9700K 3.6GHz, NVIDIA RTX 2070 Super 8GB Graphics, 16GB DDR4, 1TB PCI-E NVMe SSD, WiFi Ready & Win 10 Home (SLC8260A2, Black) https://www.amazon.com/dp/B07VFFCQ6L/ref=cm_sw_r_cp_api_i_9W0ODb1TAE03Q


Good for its price .. because of 2070 graphics card. You may need to add additional storage as this only comes with 1TB ssd . I know how big those Premiere files can get

The thing about 1060s right now is that every prebuilt has one in them so the companies and move on to bigger and better fish, it's not a bad card by any means.

I've never played WoW, but I do know these specs massively surpass the recommended:

I7 8700

1060 3gb

16gb DDR4

120gb SSD

1TB HDD

@ $1000 on Amazon

Get a 1tb Samsung SSD for ~130 or 2tb SSD for ~300

Here's a benchmark with an i3 8100 and a 1060 3gb running WOW on Ultra.

You can expect better framerates with the better CPU. I3 8100 vs I7 8700

What really makes a big difference in the price is its condition. If it is used, and say three years old, then its price is much less because things will begin to fail. If it is new, it is not a bad rig, but you said it is an i5-7200 but that is a laptop cpu, so knowing which i5-xxxx it is really affects the price.

I would end up going with something like this:
https://www.amazon.com/M32CD-Desktop-Windows-Keyboard-Mouse/dp/B014QVM2KO/ref=sr_1_24?s=pc&ie=UTF8&qid=1497714275&sr=1-24&refinements=p_n_feature_four_browse-bin%3A2289793011%2Cp_36%3A2421880011

Then upgrading the GPU when I saved up a little bit more. It has a really nice CPU in it, and in the future you will be able to upgrade it to an I7. It is a solid machine. Once you get a GPU in there, it will run awesome. You should idealy upgrade to a 1060, for about 250 or so. And get a new power supply, at at least 650w.

If you're willing to spend $50 more, this is a good option.

This will give you similar performance, but has 8gb ram (will still be enough for gaming) and lacks an SSD (which is very nice to have)

This is also a solid machine for 1080p gaming.

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the 1st and 3rd prebuilt are the best value.

SkyTech Shiva Gaming Computer PC Desktop - Ryzen 5 2600 6-Core 3.4 GHz, NVIDIA GeForce RTX 2060 6G, 500G SSD, 16GB DDR4, RGB, AC WiFi, Windows 10 Home 64-bit https://www.amazon.com/dp/B07RPCG8ZW/ref=cm_sw_r_cp_apa_i_HlzrDbGCBTXQM

iBUYPOWER Elite Gaming PC Computer Desktop Trace 062A (AMD Ryzen 7 2700X 3.7GHz, NVIDIA Geforce RTX 2060 6GB, 16GB DDR4-2666 RAM, 2TB HDD, 240GB SSD, WiFi Included, Win 10 Home, VR Ready), Black https://www.amazon.com/dp/B07MCVWJMV/ref=cm_sw_r_cp_apa_i_5lzrDb704DJJK

CUK Stratos Micro Gaming Desktop (Intel i5-9400F, 16GB DDR4 RAM, 512GB NVMe SSD, NVIDIA GeForce RTX 2060 Super 8GB, 500W Bronze PSU, Windows 10 Home) Gamer PC Computer https://www.amazon.com/dp/B07RY3S3VT/ref=cm_sw_r_cp_apa_i_hmzrDbGXAPFGQ

This is what I have found. For suggestions im not really sure. If you are going to play other games that lspdfr consider the cuk one as it's got a more powerful GPU. That said though at the end of the day lspdfr needs more CPU power than gpu. So the 2600 trades blows with the 9400f while the 2700x is the best.
Don't get me wrong though but 2600 and 9400f should be just fine in lspdfr. I use a 2600x which is the same as 2600 just clocked a bit higher. I get good frame rates of usually around 50-60 and I have a bunch of plugins, custom police cars and add-on ones, as well as NVR

Linus Tech Tips Video: Intel's Coolest CPU, thanks to AMD

Intel's NUC with AMD graphics is your solution. The 65 Watt version is $700, while the 100 Watt version is $800. The 100 Watt version should be chosen if it is supposed to be fast.

It can connect 6 displays and has seven USB ports without hubs. It has a card reader. It has Wifi/Bluetooth and 2 HDMI ports.

It is compact and easy to carry or mail around for support. It is basically a desktop-replacement laptop without a display, a keyboard, and a trackpad.

Intel Machine NUC8i7HVK Radeon Graphics

The above is a barebones system. It will need a pair of DDR4 SODIMM memory sticks, M.2 storage, and a Windows 10 license.

PCPartPicker part list / Price breakdown by merchant

Type|Item|Price

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Memory | Kingston - HyperX Impact 16 GB (2 x 8 GB) DDR4-2666 Memory | $140.13 @ Amazon
Storage | *ADATA - XPG SX6000 Pro 512 GB M.2-2280 Solid State Drive | $79.99 @ Amazon
Operating System | Microsoft - Windows 10 Pro OEM 64-bit | $114.39 @ OutletPC
| | Total (before mail-in rebates) | $359.51
| | Mail-in rebates | -$25.00
| Total | $334.51
| | *Lowest price parts chosen from parametric criteria |

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I think the NUC will be much easier to support then any other solution. The total cost is about $1160 for the 100-Watt version built and ready.

First 5 Things to Do with a New PC Build

Yeah, you can grab one with a i5 for around 165 from Amazon(with their return policy if you get a dud)

https://www.amazon.com/Dell-OptiPlex-7010-Minitower-Desktop/dp/B01K0GNUOG/ref=sxbs_sxwds-stvp?keywords=desktop&pd_rd_i=B01K0GNUOG&pd_rd_r=85a0fa40-746d-4c1c-9c46-39fb27945591&pd_rd_w=n1kO7&pd_rd_wg=UJz63&pf_rd_p=a6d018ad-f20b-46c9-8920-433972c7d9b7&pf_rd_r=6H74399BS6RZ37QGP3WN&qid=1568715571&refinements=p_36%3A6000-16000&rnid=2421879011&s=pc

Note this is the "Mini tower" version, I'm unsure if the SFF versions can physically fit a graphics card without contortions.

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You can then get a PCIe power only 1650 for 160(better card than the 1050ti I'd originally recommended, I didn't realize they were this cheap)

https://www.amazon.com/MSI-GeForce-128-Bit-Support-Graphics/dp/B07QR2YFTX/ref=sr_1_11?keywords=1050+ti&qid=1568715841&s=electronics&sr=1-11

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And a 240GB boot SSD for 32.

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https://www.amazon.com/Crucial-BX500-240GB-2-5-Inch-Internal/dp/B07G3KRZBX/ref=sxin_2_ac_d_pm?ac_md=2-0-VW5kZXIgJDUw-ac_d_pm&keywords=ssd&pd_rd_i=B07G3KRZBX&pd_rd_r=51848549-d7c7-4c54-bb31-f0dd303465eb&pd_rd_w=Sr2TS&pd_rd_wg=4hAhR&pf_rd_p=eeff02d5-070a-45ea-a79e-d591974b877e&pf_rd_r=NEP4PME17QCX3B19K43A&psc=1&qid=1568716032

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So 357 for everything. Now, this is all straight from Amazon itself. I'm sure a bit of ebay could knock a significant chunk off, especially the tower. You could also thrift/craigslist and grab something for less.

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For about 100 more you could build a decent modern system with a clear upgrade path.

[PCPartPicker Part List](https://pcpartpicker.com/list/Rgk6Mc)

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Type|Item|Price

----|:----|:----

**CPU** | [AMD Ryzen 3 1200 3.1 GHz Quad-Core Processor](https://pcpartpicker.com/product/TX4NnQ/amd-ryzen-3-1300x-35ghz-quad-core-processor-yd1200bbaebox) | $59.70 @ OutletPC

**Motherboard** | [ASRock B450M-HDV R4.0 Micro ATX AM4 Motherboard](https://pcpartpicker.com/product/RD97YJ/asrock-b450m-hdv-r40-micro-atx-am4-motherboard-b450m-hdv-r40) | $64.89 @ OutletPC

**Memory** | [Patriot 8 GB (2 x 4 GB) DDR4-2400 Memory](https://pcpartpicker.com/product/VDc48d/patriot-8gb-2-x-4gb-ddr4-2400-memory-psd48g2400k) | $34.99 @ Amazon

**Storage** | [Team L3 EVO 240 GB 2.5" Solid State Drive](https://pcpartpicker.com/product/gH2rxr/team-l3-evo-240gb-25-solid-state-drive-t253le240gtc101) | $28.88 @ Amazon

**Storage** | [Western Digital RE4 1 TB 3.5" 7200RPM Internal Hard Drive](https://pcpartpicker.com/product/KzTmP6/western-digital-internal-hard-drive-wd1003fbyx) | $35.49 @ Amazon

**Video Card** | [MSI Radeon RX 580 8 GB ARMOR OC Video Card](https://pcpartpicker.com/product/TTfmP6/msi-radeon-rx-580-8gb-armor-oc-video-card-rx-580-armor-8g-oc) | $159.99 @ Newegg

**Case** | [Rosewill FBM-01 MicroATX Mini Tower Case](https://pcpartpicker.com/product/dwsKHx/rosewill-case-fbm01) | $29.99 @ Amazon

**Power Supply** | [EVGA BR 500 W 80+ Bronze Certified ATX Power Supply](https://pcpartpicker.com/product/kCtQzy/evga-br-500w-80-bronze-certified-atx-power-supply-100-br-0500-k1) | $45.98 @ Newegg

| *Prices include shipping, taxes, rebates, and discounts* |

| Total (before mail-in rebates) | $489.91

| Mail-in rebates | -$30.00

| **Total** | **$459.91**

| Generated by [PCPartPicker](https://pcpartpicker.com) 2019-09-17 06:37 EDT-0400 |

As u/prutseratwork stated, the pfSense store is where the official pfSense boxes are sold. I don't think that those would really meet your "ungodly amount" criteria. They are insanely expensive for what you're actually getting. Not to say that supporting the team isn't a good cause, because it is. It's a very good cause. But when you need a solution and money is tight, the official store may not be your best option.

pfSense is based on FreeBSD, which does support wifi. However, its use is generally discouraged, because it's trash. If you want to use pfSense, you should also have a separate access point. Note that you can (and likely should) use your existing router for this. You would simply disable the firewall on your current router, making it a switch with built-in wifi, and insert pfSense into your network directly after the modem. So, Modem > pfSense > old router.

Not having the technical ability to build a system is going to be a problem. Your cheapest option is to buy a system that is pre-built, but doesn't come with an SSD or memory. You'll have to purchase those separately and install them yourself. You need to ask yourself if that is going to be too much work - because if so, pfSense is not for you. It's going to be a lot of work and learning.

Pre-built systems (you install SDD, memory, and pfSense)

https://www.amazon.com/Firewall-Micro-Appliance-Gigabit-Barebone/dp/B01GIVQI3M/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1498485157&sr=8-1&keywords=qotom

https://www.amazon.com/Barebones-Firewall-Intel-Ports-Celeron/dp/B01MEGSMRZ/ref=sr_1_21?ie=UTF8&qid=1498485291&sr=8-21&keywords=qotom

I bought a Qotom box a long time ago for about $150. It had 4 Realtek ports, though. Intel is definitely the preferred solution.


If none of these sound good to you, look into Ubiquiti Security Gateway.

Building a PC takes few hours max. For part selection use the totally awesome VR ready PC guide. This would be the most cost efficient way to get a PC.

If you want a pre-build, check PCs at $700 range with at least Ryzen 2600 or i5-9400F CPU and Gtx1060 or Rx580 GPU (preferably something higher).
This one looks pretty good: Link.

I bought these for my build: http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B0025VKUQQ/ref=oh_aui_detailpage_o02_s00?ie=UTF8&psc=1


The only issue is that the power switch for everything is on the subwoofer lol. I'm no audiophile but I'd notice if some frequencies were significantly louder than the others. I think these are great. If you wanna be extra thrifty and save $3, buy it used - like new from the amazon warehouse. I'd say get them if you cant live without a sub

• Intel j1900 x86 quad core 2-2.4GHz
  
• Memory 1 SO-DIMM DDR3L 1333 up to 8GB
  
• 1 SATA III
  
• 1 mini-PCI (Wifi optional)
  
• 1 mSata (mSata disk optional)
  
• 4 Intel WG 82583 NICs/lan/ethernet 10/100/1000
  
• Watchdog Timer 256 Level, Programmable
  
• 1 VGA
  
• 2 USB 2.0 ports
  
• Size: 134mm 126mm 36mm
  
• Fanless (the aluminium alloy case is the heatsink)
  
• 2 or 4 available holes for antennas/jacks/..., power button, 2 leds
  
• Chipset ? (waiting for answer)
  
• UEFI AMI BIOS MX25U6435FM2I-10G (appears to be supported by flashrom ctrl+f MX25U6435E/F )
  
• 10W
  
• DC 12v
  
• 1 CPU fan connector (PWM?)
  
• 1 SATA power connector (4 pins, needs adapter)
  
• Audio ALC662 (no, according to reseller)
  
• GPIO (no, according to reseller)
  
  The aluminium alloy case serves as the CPU heatsink, I've seen this design before and it works pretty well. See also https://blog.codinghorror.com/the-scooter-computer/ for a similar design.
  
  Found it on aliexpress, took the risk and ordered one. Should arrive soon.
  
  If there is any interest I'll update and post a review of it.
  
  If I really really like it and there is interest I may organize a group buying (to buy from the manufacturer and ship at lower cost).
  
  
  Bought it from http://www.aliexpress.com/item/WAP-Cheapest-mini-computer-wholesale-high-quality-min-pc-industrial-4-LAN/32591339399.html (cheapest I could find, without ram/wifi/disk)
  
  Available on Amazon http://www.amazon.com/products-barebone-J1900-Industrial-computer/dp/B019Z8T9J0/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1457891371&sr=8-1&keywords=qotom
  
  Available on ebay http://www.ebay.com/itm/12v-mini-pc-windows-7-QOTOM-mini-pc-with-4-NIC-port-J1900-mini-pc-2G-1T-8G-SSD-/262293070861?hash=item3d11e2a40d:g:~NMAAOSwCQNWgkUS

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Okay thank you so much for the advice. Which prebuilt system would you recommend? I have been looking at the following; (the cheapest option would be best, but I'd really like to be able to stream games as well so I don't mind compromising price for that)

-https://www.amazon.com/CYBERPOWERPC-GXIVR8020A4-Desktop-i5-7400-7200RPM/dp/B0747W15QL/ref=sr_1_3?ie=UTF8&qid=1518725225&sr=8-3&keywords=gaming+desktop&dpID=51n3tUIpoSL&preST=_SY300_QL70_&dpSrc=srch

-https://www.amazon.com/iBUYPOWER-Ultra-Gaming-Desktop-AM900Z/dp/B073RKHY2H/ref=sr_1_4?s=pc&ie=UTF8&qid=1518721735&sr=1-4&keywords=ibuypower+gaming+desktop

https://www.amazon.com/CyberpowerPC-GXi10200A-Desktop-i7-7700-7200RPM/dp/B00IMOND82/ref=sr_1_1_sspa?ie=UTF8&qid=1518725225&sr=8-1-spons&keywords=gaming+desktop&psc=1

-https://www.amazon.com/HP-Desktop-Computer-GeForce-880-010/dp/B0718ZGQNY/ref=sr_1_7?s=electronics&ie=UTF8&qid=1518725000&sr=1-7&keywords=hp+omen+desktop&dpID=41nf2xuF90L&preST=_SX300_QL70_&dpSrc=srch

-https://www.amazon.com/880-Performance-Desktop-i7-8700K-Windows/dp/B0792XZP57/ref=sr_1_1_sspa?s=pc&ie=UTF8&qid=1518721615&sr=1-1-spons&keywords=hp+omen+desktop&psc=1

but maybe you know a better prebuilt?

Honestly, I'd go with Cisco SG series switches. You can get them pretty much as big or as small as you want, they have both Web GUI and CLI, generally much more affordable compared to enterprise level switches, and they have POE capabilities as well.

If you are going to be using Proxmox or Untangle (my preference is Untangle) for a router/firewall, you really don't need the Edge Router, since they will fulfill your layer 3 needs. Instead, you can save that money and get a PoE enabled switch, probably with a lot more ports.

As far as hardware for Proxmox/Untangle, you can get something like this and have plenty of processing power for whatever ISP connection you have.

I don’t know much about specs but it’s a pretty good gaming laptop 8gb ram etc but I just got this pc —> https://www.amazon.com/CYBERPOWERPC-Master-GMA1394A-Gaming-GeForce/dp/B07GG62872/ref=mp_s_a_1_fkmr2_1?keywords=CyberPowerPC+-+Gaming+Desktop+-+AMD+Ryzen+7+2700X+-+16GB+Memory+-+NVIDIA+RTX+2070+8GB+-+2TB+HDD+%2B+240GB+SSD&qid=1563598470&s=gateway&sr=8-1-fkmr2



I would like to play zero cailber, gorn, blade and sorcery,



Feel cool playing games


The fact that it just doesn’t work I’ve probably watched over 200 videos on tutorials that all didn’t work I’m looking for something that doesn’t have problems setting up




At least 4000$



The pc I just got 8

CYBERPOWERPC Gamer Supreme Liquid Cool Gaming PC Desktop, Intel Core i7-9700K 3.6GHz, NVIDIA RTX 2070 Super 8GB Graphics, 16GB DDR4, 1TB PCI-E NVMe SSD, WiFi Ready & Win 10 Home (SLC8260A2, Black) https://www.amazon.com/dp/B07VFFCQ6L/ref=cm_sw_r_cp_apa_i_41yHDbEJNN41Q

I know this is build a PC place but there is not really a subreddit to ask what pre-built is best deal. Have had laptop for 5 years so not sure on anything. So if this against rules just remove it. I am between 4 choices for pre-built and wanted to know what is at least above 60 fps and 1080p. And what would be the better choice.

1. https://www.bestbuy.com/site/ibuypower-gaming-desktop-intel-core-i5-9400f-8gb-memory-nvidia-geforce-gtx-1660-1tb-hard-drive-240gb-solid-state-drive-black/6362980.p?skuId=6362980
   
   2.https://www.walmart.com/ip/HP-Pavilion-Gaming-Desktop-Tower-Intel-Core-i5-9400F-NVIDIA-GeForce-GTX-1660Ti-8GB-RAM-256GB-SSD-690-0073w/902037635
   
   3.https://www.bestbuy.com/site/cyberpowerpc-gaming-desktop-amd-ryzen-5-3600-8gb-memory-amd-radeon-rx-580-2tb-hdd-240gb-ssd-black/6362427.p?skuId=6362427
   
   4.https://www.amazon.com/CYBERPOWERPC-Xtreme-i5-9400F-GeForce-GXiVR8060A8/dp/B07VGJDKZ4?ref_=Oct_DLandingS_D_466a83d5_64&smid=ATVPDKIKX0DER
   
   Any advice is apprenticed Thanks.

There is a market for this type of NUC, especially as an alternative to a console, it would turn your TV into a full blown gaming PC. I use mine as my office PC since I don't want a full blown PC case since i move things around a lot. It is upgradable as far as RAM and storage goes as well. Also, this looks more like introductory pricing, as you can see, its predecessor launched in the mid $700s and was significantly less powerful: https://camelcamelcamel.com/Intel-NUC-mini-NUC6i7KYK-Core/product/B01DJ9XS52 and now goes for around $500. Reading some of the customer reviews for its predecessor reveals some of the use cases, and people are pretty happy with the form factor: https://www.amazon.com/Intel-NUC-mini-NUC6i7KYK-Core/dp/B01DJ9XS52#customerReviews There are 193 reviews, so I am guessing Amazon sold a few thousand.

Not sure why they'd throw a 9900K with a 2070... i mean the price isnt God awful... but if you want to save some money I'd go with THIS ONE... quite a bit cheaper and still has a 2070... will fare just fine for the greater majority of things.

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Edit: the one thing that I'd be careful with on this one is the RAM that it comes with... seems to come with 2400mhz ram... not sure how much you know about RYZEN but RAM speed matters a lot more for them compared to Intel... If you go for this computer... I'd probably take the ram out and sell it and throw in something like this. The processor will run MUCH better with that ram and youll probably only have to spend about $40-$50 more after you sell the ram that the computer comes with

Yes to both, but don't go anywhere near that Alienware. If you're set on one of these two, do your self a favor and get the HP.

But it's still not a great system for the price. I found basically the same system for $350 less on Amazon. With the money you save, you can buy a 6gb version of the GTX 1060 (the best buy system has a 3gig model), and still have $100 left in your pocket.

The best options probably are taking good value OEM like this

https://www.amazon.com/Acer-Desktop-i5-7400-Windows-TC-780-AMZKi5/dp/B01N5SXZY8/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1497252529&sr=8-1&keywords=acer+desktop

And showing a 1050ti into it (or replacing the power supply if you want something faster). Used is also a popular route as you can snag up Dell Optiplex 790s with i5-2400 and shove a 1050ti into it for around $250-$300. It will perform similar to a G4560.

Most of the gaming prebuilts around $500 are going to be junk and most likely AMD FX processors.

Here are computer towers I am comparing: this "workhorse" and this "gamer" computer. The comments in the "workhorse" computer's FAQ says it doesnt play some games very well, so I assume that means it wont do video editing very well, right? However, maybe it is really good at processing programs (like the video editor). At the same time, I don't know if a computer designed for games is right for running a video editing program long-term, since it wasn't designed for that. However, the fact that it has a high rate of processing and a good video card makes it seem like a good match.

Edit: The video editing software is VSDC.

I may have to use the thing for a few months, maybe save up for a bit and then swap to a better monitor. I want to aim for something like 144hz, 1440p, IPS, G-Sync. I think I may be looking at the 500-600 range for something like that. In theory I could return the monitor to cut 280 off the price but I really don't have the extra cash laying around right now, and I saw nothing in the 250-300 range that had all those. I could have missed it, of course. Honestly it might have been better to just keep using my old 60hz monitor, I don't really have any games I currently play that need a new monitor until Borderlands 3 comes out but. I'm not even sure I need that powerful a monitor, I don't play PvP games. I just know that my old one had serious problems with anything even remotely dark, so much so that I could be playing cave or night areas practically blind and no setting on the monitor ever seemed to help.

I bought a new premade with the Prime Day sale, so it wasn't just a GPU upgrade. This one, in case you would like a reference: https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B07GG62872/ref=ppx_yo_dt_b_asin_title_o02_s01?ie=UTF8&psc=1

They're all the same to me. Ideally what you're looking for (if on a budget, I assume) is probably a machine with an i5/Ryzen 1400 and something like a 1050Ti or RX570 graphics card. Both of these would be modest beginner machines for happy gaming at 1080p 60FPS. This CyberPower PC is fairly well-balanced, although personally, I would prefer something with an SSD.

Watch out for stuff that's more like this: an i7 7700K paired with... Like an RX 550 or GTX 1050. This would be an example of a really unbalanced (and likely, extremely overpriced) build. Alternatively, they use old parts and pass them off as new. This example uses a very poor CPU. You can do much better for similar money, such as the above example.

SkyTech Blaze II seems to be the best one for eSport games on Amazon, it can also run modern AAA titles but it's really future-proof when it comes to eSports. It has a Ryzen 5 2600 and a GTX 1660 which are plenty for League of Legends, Overwatch and CS:GO etc. I'm going to buy it myself.

The GTX 1660 build is really good for the price especially that it's currently on discount for $679. Anything more powerful would be similar to this GTX 1070 build which is slightly above your budget.

Three years ago I purchased a $2500 gaming laptop. It has been great but now I am stuck building an entire new computer since I cannot upgrade and want to do VR.

I would definitely recommend having a gaming desktop as your daily driver and then having a $500 laptop with a decent CPU and SSD for your mobile computing needs.

Here is a nice pre-built on Amazon that I've been looking at.

I’m in the same situation right now (budget and everything). I’d love to see the pc you’re talking about. The pre built I found was this one and I’d love to see how they compare/if someone can build a better pc for the same price.

If you care about having a small clever form factor the Intel Hades Canyon nuc is what I'd recommend. Can customize its ram and SSD, these have vastly superior onboard video.

https://www.amazon.com/Intel-Machine-NUC8i7HVK-Radeon-Graphics/dp/B07BR5GK1V

It really depends on your Internet speed.

The D525 is ancient tech. Serviceable as pfSense? Sure, but not for a lot of bandwidth and/or plugins. I mean, the J1900 or N3250 Qotom mini PCs will be twice as capable at almost half the cost. Skip the Supermicro.

The R210ii are really the sweet spot. More computing power than you really need, but only idling in the 20-30w range. The list is pretty long of cheap and capable R210iis.

I would probably get the R210ii, get an ODD drive bay and drop a tiny SSD in it. I still run my pfSense off a USB stick, but I don't have much logging happening.

Here are some recommendations

• Logitech x140 should do the job $25.
  
  
• Logitech z130 cheaper but might not be enough depending on how loud you like it $15.
  
  
• Altec 2.1 three piece set...will sound the best.

Hi there! (I am pretty much a noob to most of this stuff, still learning so please bear with the dumb questions lol) I have been wanting to upgrade the PSU for my prebuilt, an Asus M32CD. I am unsure what PSU is a good quality to get that has all the protections with it.. like an EVGA Supernova 750 B1 or something similar. The only PSUs I've read about others putting into this exact prebuilt were ones like the Corsair CS550M or EVGA 500W.

(My PC probably only needs 500W but I read it doesn't hurt to have extra... Plus I'd rather a high-quality PSU than buying something that could potentially damage my PC somewhere down the road.)

Also, how do I determine what form factor PSU is compatible? I have been asking around but would like to be 100% sure before I upgrade my PSU; someone has told me that my PC currently uses ATX form-factor for PSU.

Thank you for reading!

https://www.amazon.com/gp/aw/d/B07VGJDKZ4/ref=psdcmw_13896597011_t3_B07JJ1ZFKH

I would get that, but I would try to find an identical copy of the 8gb RAM stick in it, and install a 2nd one. 16gb is pretty much needed for new releases. Make sure you put it in the right slot for dual channel config, which runs faster..should only cost you like $35 more

Sorry for formatting ahead of time, I'm on mobile.

This one I found on Amazon isn't bad. It's got an ssd and generally all-around good hardware. Only drawback imo is the 4gb rx 580, but that shouldn't be that big of a problem, especially for the games that you are playing.
https://www.amazon.com/dp/B07D5S3LZM/ref=cm_sw_r_cp_apa_VdR-Bb3VHE9S6

Also, do you play on using ethernet or wifi? The build that I have linked does not include a wifi adapter, although they are fairly cheap and easy to install. You could even go with a USB adapter if you really wanted to, but I would recommend an internal adapter.

Your Pcpartpicker is okay but if you don't want to build one this is better - CYBERPOWERPC Gamer Xtreme VR Gaming PC, Intel Core i5-9400F 2.9GHz, NVIDIA GeForce GTX 1660 6GB, 8GB DDR4, 240GB SSD, 1TB HDD, WiFi Ready & Win 10 Home (GXiVR8060A8, Black) https://www.amazon.com/dp/B07VGJDKZ4/ref=cm_sw_r_cp_apa_i_2Ht4DbET449BG but if you do want to build your own go for this one https://pcpartpicker.com/guide/rgj48d/modest-amd-gaming-build

hi, im new here and i just have a few questions.

between:
https://www.amazon.com/CYBERPOWERPC-GXi10200A-Desktop-i7-7700-7200RPM/dp/B00IMOND82/ref=sr_1_33?s=pc&ie=UTF8&qid=1498820325&sr=1-33

or

https://www.amazon.com/CybertronPC-Rhodium-950-Gaming-Desktop/dp/B01CSE0TVK/ref=sr_1_49?s=pc&ie=UTF8&qid=1498820898&sr=1-49

which is better for games like Overwatch or PlayerUnknown Battlegrounds? and which will be also good for future games. thanks

To monitor all devices (tablet, laptop, etc) you will need an actual firewall or proxy server, not just a typical ISP-provided consumer modem/router/access point combo device. You would also need to move your wireless access point behind the firewall, so that wireless activity is tracked.

Your topology would look something like this:

Internet -> Modem -> Firewall -> Devices (access point, etc.)

In the new topology you could use your existing FiOS-G1100 as either the modem or the access point, but not both. To act as a modem only it would have to be put in "bridge" mode (disabling firewall functions and wireless AP). To act as an access point only, it would have to be put in "AP only" mode.

The firewall will basically be a mini PC (ex. Qotom Q190G4, Q355G4), running firewall software such as pfSense or Sophos XG. Yes, for a networking novice, there is a tremendous learning curve involved in setting up a true firewall. It wouldn't hurt to find a local professional who could assist you.

For a somewhat lesser learning curve, there are router appliances such as the Ubiquiti EdgeRouter Lite which offer better-than-combo-device firewall capabilities in a less daunting user interface.

if you do go prebuilt, this is a pretty solid deal. If you want it today, you're best off buying the prebuilt and a ssd. For the most part, you need sales on parts to beat this deal. Rough part match up for the prebuilt. I honestly would say this is pretty worth it.

You can spend a little more and get this:

r/https://www.amazon.com/SkyTech-Beast-Gaming-Computer-Desktop/dp/B07GC7FTDB

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Only issue is 8GB, so buying another 8G will cost like maybe $70 or so, but you get 2700x and 1080 instead of 1070.

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Ibuypower also has a promotion for $799 but only comes with rx580 4G, but comes with 16G with 1800X.

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https://www.amazon.com/iBUYPOWER-Desktop-Graphics-View21-035A/dp/B07D5S3LZM

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Both are good deal with pretty decent spec.

I needed one in a hurry about a month ago and the Qotom model was showing a long delivery time so I bought this similar system instead. I am fairly certain it is the same system just sold under a different name. I threw in 8GB RAM and a Transcend 64GB mSATA which brough my total cost to around $265.

They work extremely well, rock solid with great throughput. My only complaint is they seem to run a little hotter than I would like.

[This computer I just found would be a lot better.] (http://www.amazon.com/M32CD-Desktop-Windows-Keyboard-Mouse/dp/B01BGT69OE/ref=sr_1_1?s=pc&ie=UTF8&qid=1459249389&sr=1-1&refinements=p_n_feature_five_browse-bin%3A7817224011%2Cp_n_feature_four_browse-bin%3A2289793011)

You can easily upgrade and if you would like to have a graphics card, don't forget to upgrade the power supply (THIS IS A MUST).
But for now, this intergrated graphics is better than a gt610 in your original link.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PzrGWNnZSWI

Video I found of someone upgrading their exact same pc with a graphics card and power supply.

What did you pay for this thing? FX-6300 is from 2012 (and was horrible already in 2012). This computer is worth MAYBE $200 on like a really really good day. Return it immediately and get something decent. You can do way better for $700.

Here are some computers that are 100x better than what you bought for $700ishhttps://www.amazon.com/CyberpowerPC-GXiVR8060A7-i5-9400F-GeForce-802-11AC/dp/B07PKXQBHN/ref=sr_1_1?fst=as%3Aoff&pf_rd_i=16225007011&pf_rd_m=ATVPDKIKX0DER&pf_rd_p=74069509-93ef-4a3c-8dca-a9e3fa773a64&pf_rd_r=A5M9DR8SH9GQ29T2JEBH&pf_rd_s=merchandised-search-4&pf_rd_t=101&qid=1563760328&refinements=p_36%3A2421882011&rnid=2421879011&s=computers-intl-ship&sr=1-1

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https://www.amazon.com/Dell-Inspiron-Desktop-Processor-Graphics/dp/B07Q3G3B67/ref=sr_1_2?fst=as%3Aoff&pf_rd_i=16225007011&pf_rd_m=ATVPDKIKX0DER&pf_rd_p=74069509-93ef-4a3c-8dca-a9e3fa773a64&pf_rd_r=A5M9DR8SH9GQ29T2JEBH&pf_rd_s=merchandised-search-4&pf_rd_t=101&qid=1563760328&refinements=p_36%3A2421882011&rnid=2421879011&s=computers-intl-ship&sr=1-2

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https://www.amazon.com/SkyTech-Blaze-Gaming-Computer-Desktop/dp/B07RHBLV7F/ref=sr_1_7?fst=as%3Aoff&pf_rd_i=16225007011&pf_rd_m=ATVPDKIKX0DER&pf_rd_p=74069509-93ef-4a3c-8dca-a9e3fa773a64&pf_rd_r=A5M9DR8SH9GQ29T2JEBH&pf_rd_s=merchandised-search-4&pf_rd_t=101&qid=1563760328&refinements=p_36%3A2421882011&rnid=2421879011&s=computers-intl-ship&sr=1-7

*****USE PRIME TO BUY THIS******
Ok, looked for a little while and found this: https://www.amazon.com/SkyTech-Shiva-Gaming-Computer-Desktop/dp/B07RPCG8ZW/ref=gbps_tit_m-6_3b69_b55b9695?smid=ATVPDKIKX0DER&pf_rd_p=db08f08d-45f1-490b-aa6c-1f4d543b3b69&pf_rd_s=merchandised-search-6&pf_rd_t=101&pf_rd_i=14611812011&pf_rd_m=ATVPDKIKX0DER&pf_rd_r=5JR4S0E8GD1F0HEHSTDQ
The motherboard is a bit lower-end and the processor is budget, but if you have or get the free trial of spend like 10 bucks to get it for a month you'll get $200 off, so you can upgrade your mobo or processor or sumhin
*****USE PRIME TO BUY THIS*****

Not very well imho, esp. if you are interested in flight/racing sims. You are better to stick with Intel/Nvidia imho. You get what you pay for. Something like this would probably be much better;

https://www.amazon.com/dp/B07VFFCQ6L/ref=sspa_dk_detail_2?psc=1&spLa=ZW5jcnlwdGVkUXVhbGlmaWVyPUFYUUQ1RlZUNUxTTFImZW5jcnlwdGVkSWQ9QTA0OTg0MDUxNFZJT0Q2WDdZS0VDJmVuY3J5cHRlZEFkSWQ9QTAwNjk4ODEyM1lST1NHQkVPQUNMJndpZGdldE5hbWU9c3BfZGV0YWlsMiZhY3Rpb249Y2xpY2tSZWRpcmVjdCZkb05vdExvZ0NsaWNrPXRydWU=

Not very tech saavy, I've this [PC] (https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B01CUZKM3C/ref=oh_aui_detailpage_o03_s00?ie=UTF8&psc=1) and a friend of mine suggested i upgrade to this graphics card, is it as simple as replacing the cards or are there other things i should look out for, any help would be appreciated :D

Which to choose? Alienware Aurora 1080gtx or Ibuypowerpc 1070?

I'd probably go with the Aurora upgraded to a 1080 for $1500 but it might be up to a 1.5 month wait for it http://deals.dell.com/mpp/productdetail/wx0

Or

I could get this tomorrow for $1500 https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B078H7WQ8B/ref=ask_ql_qh_dp_hza

What would you do? Im basically always playing FPS and nearly always Squad. I'm not hardcore but I would love a few years of longevity. Also need to upgrade my 1080p

Here's my desktop setup. Cheap but powerful setup should allow you to get a badass 4k monitor too.

http://www.amazon.com/M32CD-Desktop-Windows-Keyboard-Mouse/dp/B014QVM2KO

https://www.amazon.com/gp/aw/d/B015DXHEAW/ref=yo_ii_img?ie=UTF8&psc=1

https://www.amazon.com/gp/aw/d/B00SN6VN7W/ref=yo_ii_img?ie=UTF8&psc=1

I am looking too I found a great pc on Amazon this one for 680 running a 1050 ti but you can downgrade that to a 1050 for 650. Also budget for a monitor(s) and other accessories. That part kicked my ass. This pc should run Overwatch at max and GTA quite well. I was told it will run just about anything I want to play and if I want it really good. Put 8gigs of more ram and it will be quite a beast.

Yes you can use a Home license on the box, but I think you have to do some tinkering to get it to work, click here. After reading the 100/110/120 pdf it looks like the speed is a license limitation. Now if the Home license gets you full throughput, I have no idea.

If I were you, I would just get a mini PC, like this, or this. Throw in some RAM and a HDD and you have an awesome UTM that runs better/faster for same price/cheaper.

are there any remotely modern nano-itx boards? i've modeled a whole portable computer case with a lid/monitor assembly, but mini itx is just too big, and a proper small form factor motherboard would help a lot

a nuc would do it but it would make it kinda lame, less of a diy proj and more just taping one thing to another

probably still what i'll end up doing, and dude its 200 off now and i want to grab it but im gonna stay strong

e: finished a rough mockup with my custom compact battlecruiser keyboard, nuc, this panel, and some small speakers. total internal dimensions about 3" thick, 12" long, and 16" wide. that's actually like, chunky laptop size. totally feasible...and not even that expensive

I see.
I think I found one but holy heck this kind of breaks the bank a tiny bit lol

SkyTech Shiva Gaming Computer PC Desktop - Ryzen 5 2600 6-Core 3.4 GHz, NVIDIA GeForce RTX 2060 6G, 500G SSD, 16GB DDR4, RGB, AC WiFi, Windows 10 Home 64-bit https://www.amazon.com/dp/B07RPCG8ZW/ref=cm_sw_r_cp_apa_i_.ZfsDbJET7GBJ


Is the 3rd gen ryzen the only thing I'd need to really improve the other pc? Bc if so I could buy that separately and plug it in right?

https://www.amazon.com/SkyTech-Blaze-Gaming-Computer-Desktop/dp/B07RHBLV7F/

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looking through amazon that seemed like a pretty good deal.

PC1: Link

PC2 is used.

I essentially just want a decently powerful PC that can run games and VR well.

Thanks again for helping me out with this, I’m very inexperienced with PC parts.

This one would not play it the greatest, everything is pretty weak. While I don't normally recommend a prebuilt, they are often overpriced, I do get that some people can't or simply don't want to build themselves. What I would suggest is upping your budget a bit and going for something like this one

If you do decide to try and build your own I can give you a hand with it as well as most people who have already commented, but that decision is on you. You will definitely get more bang for your buck.

https://www.amazon.com/dp/B07GG62872/ref=cm_sw_r_cp_api_XCl-BbK2363MQ


If you’re looking at that other PC for $1,000, you should check this one out that’s $1,200. For $200 more, you get a slightly worse CPU, but insanely better GPU and twice the amount of storage for both the SSD and HDD. The difference between the 1060 3GB and 2070 8GB GPUs alone is ~$300+. You don’t really want a GPU with 3GB of VRAM nowadays. I understand if this is out of your budget range, but it presents a much better value.

You didn't say what your budget is. The best prebuilt deal I've seen so far is this Asus desktop from Amazon for $430 (there's also a cheaper Haswell i3 variant for $350 if you want). It includes Windows 10, has a Skylake i5 cpu, 1x8GB RAM, 1TB HDD, and a free pcie x16 slot for you to add a video card. Let's say you add a gtx750ti and a 250GB SSD, the total cost would be $600; or $520 if you prefer the i3.

Funny thing is that the computer itself didn’t come with a manual or anything else documenting exactly what model it was, so I had to guess, but I’m pretty sure it’s the Skytech Archangel or otherwise something very similar.

Not really.

EDIT: Scratch my previous entry. THIS is what you should look at:

https://www.amazon.com/gp/offer-listing/B01BGT69OE/ref=dp_olp_used?ie=UTF8&condition=used

>6th Generation Intel Core i5-6400 Quad-Core 2.7 GHz processor (turbo to 3.3GHz)

>8GB DDR4; 1TB HDD 7200 RPM

>Intel Integrated 530 HD Graphics

>802.11 AC WiFi with Bluetooth 4.0

>Windows 10 Home Operating System

If you're willing to take a chance, you can buy them for $350, used, in good condition, from Amazon, and fulfilled by Amazon.

I'm running the server off of my imac but want a dedicated machine just for Plex. What do you recommend? I'm considering the Nighthawk X10 from Netgear or an Intel NUC.

Is this a joke? With this you’ll be lucky to run most games at 30fps on 1080p. This ones a bit out of budget but could probably be the best performance you could get at this price for a prebuilt

You can cut cost and get just as good of a processor by buying an AMD ryzen processor. Ryzen 2600 performs just as well as a majority of I7's out there. However 32GB is a must.

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You can get some pretty decent ones on amazon, if your not into building your own.

With I7 level processors you won't really get better bang for your buck than with a Ryzen CPU.

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Like this listing here:

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https://www.amazon.com/SkyTech-Blaze-Gaming-Computer-Desktop/dp/B07RHBLV7F/ref=sr_1_9?keywords=ryzen%2Bskytech&qid=1566628263&s=gateway&sr=8-9&th=1

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You will however have to upgrade the RAM.

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Renders really fast.

My favorite PCMR memory is getting my first serious PC.

It was two parts, this computer and an EVGA 1050Ti 4GB card.

It was a stressful time, trying to put in the card, but once it clicked in, I was ready to go! Still have this desktop to this day and it's going strong!

intel nuc sounds perfect for you

I think this one is the best atm https://smile.amazon.com/Intel-Machine-NUC8i7HVK-Radeon-Graphics/dp/B07BR5GK1V?sa-no-redirect=1

I have these Altec Lansing VS2621. And I really enjoy them. Great sound and
bass

Graphic card is the number 1 priority for gaming PC

Nvidia G Sync monitor with a Geforce 2060 or Geforce 1660 is recommended

Mainboard from ASUS or MSI or Gigabyte

NVMe SSD is the fastest drive to load games fast

At least 16GB of RAM by Curcial or Kingston

a Noctua CPU cooler provides the best results

You can build a computer here with pcpartpicker

Or get a Amazon choice 1000$ gaming desktop if you want to not to worry about building it yourself

Ill normally look through Reddit's where they discuss PC Deals for friends who don't want to build a PC.

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Desktops are much cheaper but you'll also need a monitor, mouse, and keyboard. (Desk and Chair optional.)

Cities skylines does much better with a nicer CPU then a GPU.

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Here's a Reddit for you:

https://www.reddit.com/r/suggestapc/

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Here's a link for a gaming PC i found on that Reddit:

https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B07D5S3LZM/ref=ask_ql_qh_dp_hza

Okay, so this is my first time with a PC and a desk. Right now I have a PC with no modifications (yet), and an Astro headset for my Xbox. Also an Xbox one,and some speakers.

I want to improve my setup for gaming.

I am looking at a new keyboard

Also a mouse

A mousepad

Some headphones

And a gpu

Any feedback or suggestions would be greatly appreciated!

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For $425 USD, that's a really shitty CPU it comes with. Get this much newer and better i5-7400 for the same price. They'll play low end games but barely, you could possibly throw in a dedicated GPU at some point later on (depending on how easy the power supply is to replace.)

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Honestly, the $100-$150 price point is going to be very difficult to beat -- I'm not aware of any machines at that price point myself. We generally consider it a good deal to beat $400 to the lowest end boxes we use (we require gig throughput), which is a bit more than what you are able to get away with.

We did find these great machines for $190 apiece recently -- http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B014113N70 -- We're not using them as firewalls, but in terms of the specs they'd do just fine for gigabit throughput.

Looks like this is a close cousin for a different arrangement of ports that might be more suited to pfSense for $170: http://www.amazon.com/products-barebone-J1900-Industrial-computer/dp/B019Z8T9J0

Honestly for low budget home use builds you might be better off with a prebuilt. You can actually get them for pretty decent prices since big companies like asus and hp get discounts on windows lisences and that really factors into the price at lower budgets.

Heres an asus pc with a i5-6400 8 gb ram 1tb hdd and windows 10 and even comes with a keyboard and mouse for 450$

There are some really nice Micro ATX cases out there, The Silverstone Raven RZ01 jumps to mind. Corsair has their new Bulldog as well. You can get a full sized graphics card in these, water cooled etc.. But honestly those are still pretty large machines.

I mean if you are driving around and you can keep it in your trunk or something then they might work. But if you're flying then I would go with a laptop or something similar.

I actually got so tired of having to take my work laptop and my gaming laptop out while I was traveling that I just travel with my work laptop now.

You might be able to get away with something like an INTEL NUC:

https://www.amazon.com/Intel-NUC-Kit-NUC6i7KYK-Mini/dp/B01DJ9XS52/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1473862036&sr=8-1&keywords=Intel+Skull+Canyon+NUC6i7KYK

I would set the graphics down to low for the 25 main raids, because I know my R9 390 gets crushed sometimes if there are ton's of people on the screen.

But even then, if you're raiding seriously you should probably get a decent gaming laptop.

https://www.amazon.com/gp/aw/d/B07RHBLV7F
It's really good for around $750 and it would do you great

Something like this is a ton better: https://www.walmart.com/ip/HP-Pavilion-Gaming-Desktop-Tower-AMD-Ryzen-5-2400G-NVIDIA-GeForce-GTX-1050-Graphics-1TB-HDD-8GB-SDRAM-DVD-Mouse-Keyboard-Shadow-Black-Green-LED-Light/755857361?findingMethod=wpa&tgtp=1&cmp=15510&relRank=1&tax=3944_3951_132982_1231068_1224739&pt=sp&adgrp=16495&bt=1&plmt=1145x345_B-C-OG_TI_2-20_HL-BOTTOM-NY&wpa_qs=O8l5Q7UDLeFQomP-VyteKLsbf-3FHzyaCOQq1ZUrnZJZGGlcX5OokGXGVNTzijntmqyesCZMemhY8n960MdGiJVPZPLk6G6e7oLSAhZoSJk&bkt=&mLoc=bottom&pgid=pc-computer&isSlr=false&itemId=755857361&relUUID=5244512e-f6da-48b7-a62d-90317645a953&adUid=0da30d70-eb24-42fc-82fe-72cd1504938a&adiuuid=4f79b7d5-6466-4fb3-90a0-8a57ea55b084&adpgm=wpa&pltfm=desktop

But I could see getting a cheaper tower and the buying a 1050 gpu and putting that in. In this case it has the 1050 and 8 gig ram.

Maybe something like this:

https://www.amazon.com/Dell-OptiPlex-7010-Minitower-Desktop/dp/B01K0GNUOG/ref=sr_1_40?ie=UTF8&qid=1543247737&sr=8-40&keywords=pc+computer

SkyTech ArchAngel GTX 1050 Ti Gaming Computer Desktop PC FX-6300 3.50 GHz 6-Core, GTX 1050 Ti 4GB, 8GB DDR3, 1TB HDD, 24X DVD, Wi-Fi USB, Windows 10 Pro 64-bit, White (GTX 1050 Ti Version) https://www.amazon.com/dp/B01M3UKNVD/ref=cm_sw_r_cp_api_7GlDzbZSXH5FJ do you know anything about this? One of my friends said it was a good buy but I've never heard of it/know nothing about it. Would it be better to get a premade?

https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B07VFFCQ6L/ref=s9_acss_bw_cg_PCDTMC_3c1_w?pf_rd_m=ATVPDKIKX0DER&pf_rd_s=merchandised-search-2&pf_rd_r=FKGJ396TEK3FC7PEESP3&pf_rd_t=101&pf_rd_p=cc6ce7f4-6826-447b-95fb-77ea81ceedc8&pf_rd_i=565098

This is the one I had my eye on. If it makes a huge difference I game at 1440p @ 75 FPS most often.

Also, thanks for the help man.

https://www.amazon.com/gp/aw/d/B07VGJDKZ4/ref=mh_s9_acss_cg_PCDTMC_3b1_w?pf_rd_m=ATVPDKIKX0DER&pf_rd_s=mobile-hybrid-2&pf_rd_r=494SNGVZJK9S6TV31YFR&pf_rd_t=1201&pf_rd_p=c052157a-9f7d-4371-9a67-cd695e765038&pf_rd_i=565098


This one? It's a decent value. It even comes with a mouse and keyboard. I wish it had 16GB of RAM instead of 8, but you can add more really easily if it becomes a problem.

Also two years down the line you can pop a brand new graphics card into it and be good to go.

Oh yeah headless can work out fine, assuming you have a bit of experience and won't fuck it up completely ¯\(ツ)/¯

As far as I'm aware, ESXi is completely headless with no control from the host at all. If I were to irreparably fuck up the settings, to the point I cannot connect (Say I tried setting up another DHCP server or disabled the internal one) I'd need to re-wire the host, and whatever client I'm using to connect.

As far as I can tell it's all genuine, here is a similar (stripped) version of the same device, but on American amazon. Lots of good reviews. And while it will probably last me the rest of my life, as Saskatchewan's fastest possible speed on fiber is 260Mb/s and I don't see it ever hitting >1Gb/s, it's still $260 with shipping. But yeah I'll probably grab it if another user doesn't find a cheaper router.

1. Go with a 1tb mechanical drive and a 256gb SSD or other size.
   
   
2. Get a different keyboard. You could pick up a CM Storm Quickfire for even less than that and get mechanical switches.
   
   
3. Go with this power supply. It's similarly priced, more efficient, and fully modular which will save you a lot of frustration.
   
   
4. If you want a 2.1 speaker system, this Altec Lansing system is much more cost-efficient and still delivers a clean sound.
   
   With the money saved off the options stated above, you might be able to upgrade to a 980,or a Saphire 390. Either of those cards will get you even more performance, but the 390 gets much hotter iirc. You can absolutely run those games at 1080p High/Ultra. I have that cooler on the 970 and it cools very well even when I have my overclock enabled.

Looks like they shipped with DDR3, which was more common for pre builts and laptops at the launch of skylake. Seems like an OK deal vs building new right now especially with high RAM prices.

https://www.amazon.com/M32CD-Desktop-Windows-Keyboard-Mouse/dp/B014QVM2KO

If you find yourself wanting more power you can upgrade to a 1050 Ti and probably sell the 750 Ti for $60 or so.

Scratch all that. There is a better premade on Amazon at a better price. You would probably want to upgrade the psu.

https://www.amazon.com/gp/aw/d/B078H7WQ8B/ref=mp_s_a_1_1/143-8051814-7553808?ie=UTF8&qid=1520502050&sr=1-1&refinements=p_4%3AiBUYPOWER&pi=AC_SX236_SY340_FMwebp_QL65

This is a better computer and cheaper
iBUYPOWER Elite Gaming PC Desktop AMD Ryzen 7 1800X 3.6GHz, AMD Radeon RX 580 4GB Graphics, 16GB DDR4 RAM, 1TB HDD, 120GB SSD, Win 10 Home 64-bit, View21 035A https://www.amazon.com/dp/B07D5S3LZM/ref=cm_sw_r_cp_apa_rvTJBb4WADPDJ

Here is a parts list I put together. It's not optimized but I built it to compare it to this prebuilt on Amazon.

The Amazon PC comes with a keyboard and mouse, and a copy of Windows as well. Not too long ago the parts list would be like $200-$300 cheaper.

I wouldn't build a computer this way. I would use an R5 1600 instead of the i7, but I just wanted to compare prices.

This one has a GTX 1660 and would have a bit more performance, if it's worth it to you:
https://www.amazon.com/dp/B07RHBLV7F/ref=cm_sw_r_cp_apa_i_7PdBDb42WYBEA

There's also one with a 1660ti but it seemed like too much of a price increase over the regular 1660

proper link

>gtx 750ti

This used to be a good card. Keyword being used to.

For that budget, the "exterminator" will do well. Switch the GPU to a RX480 if prices are acceptable where you are.

Show him the builds!

Looking for a gaming PC to power my TV in the living room. I know I could build one for cheaper; I don't want to. I just want something that works, and someone I can call if there is a problem. It's worth an extra couple hundred for me. Or, if you have another suggestion in this price range. Thanks!

[Acer Desktop Computer Aspire GX GX-281-UR11] (https://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16883101578) - $600

• Ryzen 5 1400 (3.20 GHz)
  
  
• 8 GB DDR4
  
  
• 1 TB HDD
  
  
• Windows 10 Home 64-Bit
  
  
• NVIDIA GeForce GTX 1050 2 GB GDDR5
  
  
  [BERPOWERPC Gamer Xtreme VR Ready GXiVR8020A3 ] (https://www.amazon.com/dp/B071NG75BW/ref=psdc_13896597011_t1_B01MT0781S) - $720
  
  
• System: Intel i5-7400 3.0GHz Quad-Core | Intel B250 Chipset | 8GB DDR4 | 1TB HDD | Genuine Windows 10 Home 64-bit
  
  
• Graphics: AMD Radeon RX 580 4GB Video Card | 1x HDMI | 1x Display Port - VR Ready Graphics Card
  
  
• Connectivity: 6 x USB 3.0 | 2 x USB 2.0 | 1x RJ-45 Network Ethernet 10/100/1000 | 802.11AC Wi-Fi USB Adapter| Audio: 7.1 Channel | Keyboard and Mouse
  
  [SkyTech ArchAngel GTX 1050 Ti] (https://www.amazon.com/SkyTech-ArchAngel-Gaming-Computer-Desktop/dp/B01M3UKNVD/ref=zg_bs_565098_8?_encoding=UTF8&psc=1&refRID=8MA7DD08259Q3TN0V2V4) - $692
  
  
• AMD FX-6300 3.50GHz / 4.1 Turbo 6-Core | 1 TB 7200RPM Hard Drive | AMD 970 Chipset Gaming Motherboard (Not Generic Motherboard)
  
  
• 8GB Gaming Memory DDR3 1866 MHz with Heat Spreader (Not Generic Memory) | 24X DVD ±RW Optical | Genuine Windows Professional 10 64-bit
  
  
• GTX 1050 Ti 4GB GDDR5 Graphics Card | 1 x DL-DVI, 1 x Display Port 1.4, 1 x HDMI 2.0b | 9 x USB (7 X USB 2.0; 2 X USB3.0)

My guess, based on your responses so far, is that you have had bad experience with laptops because you bought something off the shelf because the price was right instead of it being what was best for what you wanted. If that is the case, no matter how much better the linked system is than your current laptop, you would see only negligible improvements. The reason is that all in ones, like cheaper laptops, don't have any room for air flow, and no options for custom cooling. So, all of your components will get hot more easily, and your performance will suffer.

If you're totally against a custom, then I would look at something like this https://www.amazon.com/Acer-Desktop-i5-7400-Windows-TC-780-AMZKi5/dp/B01N5SXZY8/ref=sr_1_24?s=electronics&ie=UTF8&qid=1492193601&sr=1-24&keywords=ibuypower
with an Asus 23" gaming monitor for ~125.00, you're looking at close to the same price. I don't recommend acer, but this would give you better results than what you linked.

Build the PC yourself.

If you're absolutely scared then you're better off selecting and buying your parts, then paying even $100 to have a computer store assemble it for you. It'll be cheaper than buying a completely built system that these online stores offer.

You can save yourself some money and build it yourself. If you still don't feel comfortable building the system yourself, I would say to buy a used desktop, then throw in a GPU. You can't mess this up.
Desktop:
https://www.amazon.com/Desktop-i5-6400-Quad-Core-Windows-Keyboard/dp/B01BGT69OE/ref=pd_sbs_147_3?_encoding=UTF8&psc=1&refRID=41DXPRRWXX50VM79KGHX

This PC is the one you just upgrade the ol' desktop. It should be cheaper than what is listed.
Userbenchmark PC Build Comparison
Baseline Bench: Game 62%, Desk 64%, Work 39%
CPU: Intel Core i5-6400 $235
GPU: Nvidia GTX 1060-3GB $250
SSD: Samsung 840 Pro 128GB $130
HDD: Seagate Barracuda 500GB (2016) $65
RAM: G.SKILL RipjawsX DDR3 1600 C10 1x8GB $95
MBD: Asus P8Z77-V
Total: $775

Budget performance per dollar build. The current market is very expensive, otherwise you'd have saved at least $200 if this were 2015 or something.
Alternative Bench: Game 69%, Desk 79%, Work 73%
CPU: AMD Ryzen 5 1600 $230
GPU: AMD RX 580 $336
SSD: Samsung 850 Evo 250GB $129
HDD: Seagate Barracuda 2TB (2016) $83
RAM: Corsair Vengeance LPX DDR4 3200 C16 2x8GB $225
MBD: MSI B350 TOMAHAWK (MS-7A34) $110
Total: $1,113

You can see that they have very similar gaming performance which is mostly dependent on the GPU. The RAM and CPU affect the "workstation" score. If you're playing game, then both will be fine for 1080p gaming full details.

If you have all the money in the fucking world Mr. "BIGDICKALIENWAREGAMER" then you should buy any decent gaming computer from any prefabricated computer company. Alienware does cost you a premium but at least you're getting new parts, warranty, and a cool case. There are other cheaper and reputable companies. Digital Storm comes to mind.

Someone from another post here suggested this asus prebuilt pc from amazon not too long ago. for $430.00 on amazon thats a great deal for an i5 skylake platform.

https://www.reddit.com/r/buildapc/comments/3xfm62/console_peasant_needing_advice_on_prebuilt_ibp_pc/

Yeah! I was looking at something like that actually. Do they like it?

This is what I'm considering if I don't build my own.
https://www.amazon.com/SkyTech-Archangel-ST-FX6300-8GB1TB-GTX750TI-Computer-FX-6300/dp/B01CUZKM3C

Some people don't want to build, and that's fine.

I'd probably get this one with your budget and tat leaves a good chunk for some nice peripherals.

https://www.amazon.com/CYBERPOWERPC-Supreme-i7-9700K-Graphics-SLC8260A2/dp/B07VFFCQ6L/ref=mp_s_a_1_6?keywords=gaming+desktop&qid=1571556160&sr=8-6

GPUs are crazy expensive right now but something like this might work for you better.

https://www.amazon.com/iBUYPOWER-Desktop-9200-i7-8700K-Graphics/dp/B078H7WQ8B/ref=sr_1_3?s=pc&ie=UTF8&qid=1521207369&sr=1-3&keywords=gaming+pc

If you don't mind spending an extra 10 bucks check these out: M-Audio Studiophile AV30

If you are looking to save some cash then I think these could do the trick: Altec Lansing VS2621

I hope you find what your looking for and always read the reviews.

This doesn’t have an ssd but everything else fits/ is better for $1510

https://www.amazon.com/gp/aw/d/B076VDYS8F/ref=mp_s_a_1_10?ie=UTF8&qid=1525446676&sr=8-10&pi=AC_SX236_SY340_QL65&keywords=i7+8700+gtx+1070

This one has an ssd but is $1620

https://www.amazon.com/gp/aw/d/B075TL8VXD/ref=mp_s_a_1_9?ie=UTF8&qid=1525446771&sr=8-9&pi=AC_SX236_SY340_QL65&keywords=i7+8700+gtx+1070

If you really want under $1500 this one is $1180 but with a 1060 instead of a 1070

https://www.amazon.com/gp/aw/d/B0757FV6Y4/ref=sxbs_sxwds-stvp_4?ie=UTF8&qid=1525446851&sr=4&pf_rd_m=ATVPDKIKX0DER&pf_rd_p=4529737223363620266&pd_rd_wg=rRYeO&pf_rd_r=PY0ZC602Q5AYCQVHVER8&pf_rd_s=mobile-sx-bottom-slot&pf_rd_t=9701&pd_rd_i=B0757FV6Y4&pd_rd_w=Yno1M&pf_rd_i=i7+8700+gtx+1070&pd_rd_r=b50f4d2f-166e-495d-9fd4-472583291c5a&pi=AC_SX236_SY340_QL65

Those NUCs can be pretty powerful. I wouldn't doubt if they have thousands.

I got this a few months ago:

https://www.amazon.com/gp/aw/d/B01GIVQI3M/ref=oh_aui_i_d_old_o0_img?ie=UTF8&psc=1

That+msata ssd+ram and it's amazing.

Fanless, feels rock solid, nice and fast and responsive. No regrets.

PFsense
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https://www.amazon.com/Qotom-Q190G4-Celeron-Processor-Barebone/dp/B019Z8T9J0/ref=pd_sbs_147_5/143-2671636-0541201?_encoding=UTF8&pd_rd_i=B019Z8T9J0&pd_rd_r=XMGVWW8ANATWM8Q7BSVP&pd_rd_w=Zt2iy&pd_rd_wg=gy1xM&psc=1&refRID=XMGVWW8ANATWM8Q7BSVP

or...

Load PF sense on a Dell R210 with a quad core cpu, 8GB ram and a four port nic (6-1gb nic's total)
As small or as big as you need. I LOVE PFsense

https://www.amazon.com/CYBERPOWERPC-Master-GMA1394A-Gaming-GeForce/dp/B07GG62872/ref=mp_s_a_1_24?ie=UTF8&qid=1550800544&sr=1-24&pi=AC_SX236_SY340_QL65


Or this.


https://m.newegg.com/products/N82E16883227879

Both have extremely similar performance but the one from Amazon is liquid cooled, what it really comes down to though, is whatever you think looks better.

the GPU base clock is 200mhz. and the boost clock would run it....but being a 15w chip it won't cut it for long without thermal throttling.

I'd just buy something like this if i were you, or a certified refurbished unit for like $150-200. if you want to build a pc you could, but this will run the game fine on integrated.

As others have suggested, the official hardware is great and also gives back to the project.

That being said, I have been doing some testing with a Qotom j1900, 4x intel gigabit nic machine and have had good results. It pulls very little power, is inexpensive, and there are no moving parts. Note that you will have to provide your own ram/ssd if you use the link above.

I assume you don't want to build it yourself. If so, I would recommend trying to find a good prebuilt, esp since with the graphics card shortage you will have a difficult time finding a standalone mid-ranged card.

Some options: https://www.amazon.com/CYBERPOWERPC-GXiVR8020A2-Desktop-i5-7400-802-11AC/dp/B01NBL8BER/ref=sr_1_2?s=pc&ie=UTF8&qid=1499701908&sr=1-2&keywords=gaming+desktop

https://www.amazon.com/CYBERPOWERPC-GXi10200A-Desktop-i7-7700-7200RPM/dp/B00IMOND82/ref=sr_1_11?s=pc&ie=UTF8&qid=1499701908&sr=1-11&keywords=gaming+desktop

https://www.amazon.com/iBUYPOWER-AM002i-Desktop-Gaming-PC/dp/B01N2RLS05/ref=sr_1_20?s=pc&ie=UTF8&qid=1499701908&sr=1-20&keywords=gaming+desktop

http://www.microcenter.com/product/471280/Aspire_AT3-715A-UR11_Desktop_Computer

http://www.microcenter.com/product/473972/IdeaCentre_710-25_Desktop_Computer

BEST DEAL: http://www.microcenter.com/product/475437/G314_Desktop_Computer

http://www.microcenter.com/product/474127/G221_Desktop_Computer

http://www.microcenter.com/product/474288/G151_Desktop_Computer

Here you go. I've had them for 3 years, I use them occasionally with my desktop PC for gaming/music listening/movie watching. They sound quite well, and the bass is decent. There are a ton of more helpful reviews there though!

Besides the SSD, how does something like this compare to a more standard build like you’ve provided?

The unit works well. Just be sure and get the serial console cable. It does much better than the APU1c unit did for me. That being said, I would seriously look at this unit instead. Looks to be roughly the same cost with an extra nic and some additional speed.

Found one on amazon for the same price with a i7-9700k and Rtx 2070 super https://www.amazon.com/gp/aw/d/B07VFFCQ6L/ref=cm_cr_othr_mb_bdcrb_top?ie=UTF8#cm_cr_carousel_images_section

It is possible to get a good VR capable prebuilt-PC with an i7 and GTX 1070 for $1400/$1500, then the headset for between $250 to $600 depending on which you choose.

EDIT: Added link to PC.

It really depends on what you are needing it for. If you're looking for just a general good deal then there's usually refurbished ones that businesses or schools upgraded from that you can either find locally or online.

Here's one I recommend to a lot of the customers at my work to run their point of sale server
https://www.amazon.com/dp/B01K0GNUOG/ref=cm_sw_em_r_mt_dp_U_SfH5CbMYHRXAV

Try to be more specific about your price range and usage, and maybe I can suggest something else.

As others have mentioned, it's pretty tough to do. Any hardware you buy that you fit into it will be at a very high premium. This Gigabyte brix looks really promising with a GTX 950, but it's not available yet. It also will probably be at a very high premium (Between $700-$1000) and that is just a bare bones rig.

Then there is this NUC which is only $600 and has Iris Pro 580 graphics which should be roughly equivalent to a GTX 945M. So it will be underpowered compared to the Gigabyte brix. But you can get it now, and you're getting top of the line integrated graphics performance. Those are the only real options I see you having with this build.

Hard to do OW for anything less than $550

• $449 Acer Aspire Desktop, 7th Gen Intel Core i5-7400, 8GB DDR4, 2TB HDD, Windows 10 Home
  
  
• $80 Gigabyte Radeon RX 550 D5 2GB This card does NOT require external power/it will run off the PCI bus. Simply plug it in. Download drivers. Restart. You playing Overwatch at medium settings 1080p at about 60fps.
  
  
• Review of 550 with overwatch
  
  If you are going to play more graphics demanding games and willing to spend more but still don't want to upgrade the power supply then I suggest going for a 1050ti 4GB (currently $130 but often goes on sale below this / check /r/buildaPCsales) which will run games like Witcher 3, the Division, Ark Survival, Ashes, GTA V all at about 50-60fps on medium to high settings and will run Overwatch at high to ultra. Your mileage may vary depending on game.