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u/WhiteWolfEnt Ā· 48 pointsr/raspberry_pi

https://blog.wwolf.us/din-mounting-for-the-pi/

This is not necessarily an exciting write-up. My main purpose is to show how easy this is and offer it as an alternative to typical cases and power supplies. Earlier in A cluster of Piā€™s, I referenced DIN mounting for the Pi. DIN rails along with the POE hat would reduce the space required, cord clutter, and possibly increase cooling. It has begunā€¦

DIN rails ā€“ Backing up


DIN rails have many applications and are commonly found in telecom and industrial environments. Other than my current use, I have used DIN rails in a fulfillment warehouse where we used DIN rails to mount all the various power supplies, breakers, switches and PLC controllers for the conveyor systems.

In a previous post here, I describe my server rack. As much as I would like to house everything inside this rack, it is quickly becoming full and I have more plans down the road for servers and UPS systems. Whereas this could be a great excuse to purchase a second rack, there is simply not enough room. This makes the use of DIN rails even more practical for me as I can easily allocate some wall space for mounting and just route the necessary Ethernet cables to the Piā€™s.

DIN mounting parts list:


  • Pi 4 (4GB) ā€“ I am currently only acquiring Pi 4 4GB models but any that accept a POE Hat should work for this. I have some Pi 3ā€™s and an O-droid that may migrate to this system later.
  • POE Hat ā€“ My first purchase of the Official POE Hat and already very impressed. I have used one from Pi Supply that worked for a little while then suddenly stopped but I have not attempted to troubleshoot.
  • SD Card ā€“ These are my current favorites but any 8GB+ should suffice.
  • DIN rail ā€“ I ordered a small section for now and can easily expand later.
  • DIN rail mounts ā€“ Until I figure out my 3D printer (or replace it) these seemed like the best solution to get going quickly. Also, I like these as the mount the Pi perpendicular to the rail as opposed to parallel. This consumes much less of the rail and opens more space for Piā€™s!
  • POE capable switch ā€“ I already had a switch capable but any should work for this. Be sure to calculate your needs, 15W per Pi, and plan accordingly.
  • Cat-6 Ethernet cables ā€“ For the price, just go with Cat-6. Cat-5 should work fine if you already have it lying around.
  • 8 or 9mm standoffs ā€“ The POE Hat comes with Female/Female 9mm standoffs but we need Male/Female. I only have 8mm and 10mm so went with 8mm.
u/903Effects Ā· 3 pointsr/diypedals

I was recently approached by a guitarist to build a Meathead Deluxe clone. I had never heard of this pedal before, but after some research I realized it was quite an iconic pedal. Its the same pedal used by Troy in Queens of the Stone Age.

This pedal, simply put, is a modern voiced Fuzz Face. It uses silicon transistors that are biased wide open for a rich crunchy grind. It is bigger and much more aggressive than your standard Fuzz Face. To quote the original designer of the pedal, "If you want a true vintage sounding Fuzz Face and purchase a Meathead, you wont be a happy bunny. The Meathead is supposed to break things."

I decided to use this build as an excuse to experiment with a few new build techniques. Screenprinting graphics is fairly cumbersome for just one off builds and I wanted a way to apply professional looking decals simply and effectively. Other DIY builders on the forums have been using Waterslide Transfers with impressive results... It was totally worth it. Its a very simple process and I think it looks very nice and tidy. I coated the transfer with a clear-coat once it dried for added durability. I would highly recommend this process to any pedal-builder. For better results, I think I need to wipe down the surface of the decal while it dries. I had a few water spots on the surface while it was drying that caused some minor dimples in the finish on this build.

I also wanted to find a better way to mount veroboard builds inside the case. With PCB builds, I typically design them to mount to the back of the pots and anchor in place that way, but its not always easy to do this with vero builds. I have seen some other guys use plastic standoffs in their builds and decided to try this for myself. These require a 1/8" hole to properly mount, so you will have to find a fairly empty "cut" to drill out in order to use these, but I think they worked pretty dang well. It makes the build look much cleaner in my opinion.

After the build was complete, I tried it out on my Bass. It was noticeably more aggressive than any of the fuzz faces i have tried in the past, but still sounded very musical. That being said, this is definitely a Guitar pedal. It sounds incredible higher up on the neck, but starts to lose some definition at the low E... Forget about even trying to play drop C with this on Bass haha.

The schematic I used can be found here

Sound clip can be found here

Picture of the cute little circuit

Gut shot here

(The photos are missing a resistor... Smallbear sent me 820K instead of 820R resistors so I had to wait another day for this to re-ship.)

u/MakerofThingsProps Ā· 2 pointsr/battlestations

I love junky server based stuff like this! I actually have a super basic server in my closset that I put together out of a free 3U case and a bunch of literally scrap hardware (and then some new HDDs) I have it set up as a 3D printer and Plex server.

You could totally make yours into something even more interesting. Go get a nice chunk of wood or something from homedepot and then a set of these as custom standoffs and mounting hardware and go to town :)

u/Restfulleo23 Ā· 17 pointsr/homelab

So setting up my cluster I purchased 3 Raspberry Pis on amazon, a network switch, and a 6 port usb charger all found below:

u/randomisation Ā· 5 pointsr/TerrainBuilding

Okay, to kick things off, here's a handful of things I cannot work without.

  • Plasticard - Thick plasticard is quite hard and tough, while thinner (1mm or less) is quite flexible. I primarily use it for terrain bases. It comes in various thicknesses and has many other uses.

  • Foamcore - Foam/sponge like material sandwiched between 2 sheets of card. This is my stock material for buildings and ruins, buildings, bunkers, aegis defence lines, etc. Easy to work with, great results. One thing worth mentioning is that if you're gluing exposed foam, you should give it a coat of paint first, as superglue/polystyrene cement will melt it.

  • Sand - I don't think a link is needed for this! I use both fine grain sandpit playing sand as well as coarse building sand (the latter usually contains small stones that are also useful). If money is tight and you're buying from a home depot, poking a few holes in the bags can get them reduced (just don't get caught!!). I paid Ā£1.20 for 2 massive bags (c15kg's each).

  • Glue - Lots and lots of glues. Superglue, Epoxy Resin, Poly.Cement, PVA, Gorilla Glue, Hot Glue Gun. You can never have enough glue.

  • Wire - Various thicknesses. Usually copper, as it is sturdy but easily manipulated.

  • Gause - Really cool stuff. Great for fences and windows, etc.

  • Cocktail Sticks - Useful for using as fence posts, rebar's, etc.

    Then I hoard everything else. Bottles, cans, tins, chain, spare screws, bolts, springs, etc. Unused parts from sprues. You can search on ebay for "40k bits" and buy boxes of unused spare parts for relatively cheap which can really add some detail to your models and terrain.

    And that's my tuppence!
u/cjalas Ā· 88 pointsr/homelab

Continuation thread (See first comment below for beginning)

Is That a Node in your Server Rack?

...ā€or are you just happy to parallelize me?ā€

Now onto the build for the server nodes themselves. These are pretty simple; again I went with the K.I.S.S. method of building here, and using the original HDD Caddies for the DS14MK2, I surface mounted the SBCs using these awesome double-sided adhesive standoffs. This allowed me to get the R-Pis and the like, very very closely surface mounted. This was an important element, since thereā€™s barely enough space width-wise for anything too thick (thatā€™s what she said).

It took me a few iterations to find just the right location within each caddy to mount the SBCs, but I finally got it down to a not-so-exact science. Each caddy/tray now comes with a naked (ripped off the plastic shell) 48vdc -> 5vdc Gigabit Active PoE Splitter, which conveniently has a micro usb charging end for the R-Pi power.

Additionally, some of the nodes also have a ā€œUPSā€ battery backup system ā€” ahem, basically itā€™s a USB Powerbank 3200mAh, which gets power from the PoE splitter, and then gives that power to the R-Piā€™s. Nothing fancy.

Oh, some of the nodes also have a real fancy Movidius Neural Compute Stick from Intel. Cause, you know. Neural Networks and stuff.

  • Each node is a separate unit, which processes data and vomits results back to the main rack server.
  • Each node has its own UPS, Operating System, and is inter-changeable with others in the array.
  • Each SBC in the node can be spiffed up with additional hardware, such as a sensor shield/hat (temp, humidity, light sensors, et al).

    Note: everything in the caddy gets mounted with heavy duty double-sided adhesive tape. This makes it easier to replace/reposition/remove certain parts if needed later on.


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u/BunnehZnipr Ā· 2 pointsr/CarAV

Shoot, in your position I'd be looking seriously into making a custom single din plate out of metal moving the cb's knobs and switches, and lengthening the wires. Laser cut the holes, laser on the labeling, use a few runs of cat5/cat6 to extend the switches from the main box and you should be golden.

OK. I'm really starting to get thinking on this

To make it really slick I would use keystone rj45 jacks to terminate the wires from the circuit board, and to the knobs, display's, and switches at each end. this would mean also making a new face for the main box of the cb so you could mount these properly. Their intended use is in a keystone wallplate, for home or server use. (maybe you already know all this? idk) For mounting them on the faceplate in the dash I would laser cut them a second smaller metal panel that I would mount behind the main plate using metal standoffs, like this, thus keeping all the connections hidden, and not at risk of breaking. if you needed to remove the radio or the cb remote faceplate all you have to do is disconnect the ethernet cables.

If you ever wanted to put the CB back to factory it would be a bit of a project to replace all the parts in the original front cover and solder all the wires back, but it sounds like that's something you're capable of doing.

With this setup you might even be able to mount the radio in your trunk. it would be easy to do, just a few runs of cat5 to wherever you want it. It would depend on if the switches all worked ok over that long of wire runs though.

u/killallthattry Ā· 2 pointsr/battlestations

Itā€™s pretty good. Honestly I had to make a few adjustments for better airflow. Like on top I bought extender screws that helped me raise the glass. This way the hot air has a bigger gap to go through. If interested these are the extenders that I bought - HVAZI M4 Nylon Hex Spacer Standoffs Screws Nuts Flat Washers Assortment Kit;Male-Female(Black) https://www.amazon.com/dp/B07MPNVF5T/ref=cm_sw_r_cp_api_i_kr4ZCbP4EK2VB

u/oldcrow Ā· 3 pointsr/3Dprinting

Yikes, that's not pretty...

Have you looked into Mesh Bed Leveling? I have the EZABL on my CR10S and it's like magic. I was going to put it on my Ender 3 but went with Manual Mesh leveling instead.

On both printers it's so good that I removed the bed leveling springs and put in aluminum spacers and printed stand-offs.

The beds are so solid on both that I rarely have to re-probe, maybe once a month or so. I disable the EZABL probing on the CR10S in G-Code and only probe every 5th print or so and I doubt it's making much of a change.

I wonder if that would help with yours? I use the TH3D Unified version of Marlin, and it's fairly easy to set up. At least it would be a free solution if you have or could borrow an Arduino.

Such a shame to have yours out of commission :(

u/ameoba Ā· 1 pointr/buildapc

The PSU should be grounded & everything is connected to that so grounding isn't an issue. Technically, a metal case cuts down on radio interference being generated by the machine but it's not a huge deal. My biggest concern would be a lack of support for a large video card.

If you want to be really classy, keep an eye out at thrift stores, online classifieds or used parts vendors - you might find an old junker case for $10 or so. Alternately, you can order a pack of motherboard standoffs to make certain that the bottom of your case is clear.

u/wintersdark Ā· 32 pointsr/buildapc

How you will mount the motherboard: Adhesive motherboard standoffs.

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Fan mounts? Some double sided foam tape, OR! Technic shafts through the screw holes in the fan, holding the fan in position on the shafts with those couplers that slide (but tightly) along the shafts. Use the existing IO shield (if you care about that) and sandwich it in place between thin lego pieces. Easy lego solutions to all these problems.

u/Jorkoff Ā· 1 pointr/buildapc

Oh weird, I guess you'll probably have to make your own then, if you know someone with a 3D printer that'd be a pretty easy part to make. Could also do a ghetto fabulous solution with cable ties. Or nylon standoffs on the back side and just screw directly to those. https://www.amazon.com/NALAKUVARA-Spacers-Stand-off-Accessories-Assortment/dp/B01DD07PTW/ref=mp_s_a_1_2_sspa?crid=1UPC0DTQK8WBQ&keywords=nylon+standoffs&qid=1555788835&s=gateway&sprefix=nylon+stand&sr=8-2-spons&psc=1

u/techyg Ā· 2 pointsr/Multicopter

I think it looks compatible overall. These components would get you in the air just fine. For the receiver, it would be a good idea to go with the Turnigy 9X if you can swing the additional cost, that way you have some additional switches / expansion later.

As far as parts go, it is not clear to me how you would mount your flight controller on that particular frame. It says it has a PDB and I think from the picture it is the round one. The flight controller you linked is a square one (36x36mm) which is standard. You may want to consider a PDB like this one, along with some M3 nylon standoffs so you can mount the flight controller directly above.

I also don't see any XT 60 connectors, which you will need to connect to your PDB so you can supply power from you battery. You would also needs some 14 gauge wire to connect the xt60- included in the link.

When you get your radio, make sure it comes with the radio receiver (the one you linked does) and the correct cables to link to your flight controller.

u/caiuscorvus Ā· 2 pointsr/homelab
I might take one apart to check it out. No case means better cooling, especially with a fan, as well as a smaller form factor. There may be some mounting holes on the boards or other parts you can thread some long standoffs onto and just stack them like that.

Alternatively, if there are 4 or so spots near the corners where you can straight drill through, a threaded rod and a bunch of nuts would do the trick. Only needs to be a couple mm diameter.

Might even be able to relocate the battery packs to one side so minimize their impact on the units heat concerns. If you're handy with electronics you may even be able to extend their wires and move them further away (move up in gauge if you go for more than a few inches).

Also, you can add heatsinks to the core and other chips with no case. They make stick on ones with thermally conductive tape or glue.

Won't know till you tear one down and look at the options.

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u/fracno Ā· 2 pointsr/MechanicalKeyboards

These are the exact washers I ordered, recommended in the original post about this mod, and perfect for the job. https://www.amazon.com/dp/B014F9AGSM?ref=yo_pop_ma_swf

u/kiramis Ā· 3 pointsr/raspberry_pi

I replied to the other poster, but I will reply to you as well so it goes to your inbox. Hear are some cheap ones that should work well, but they are shipped from China:

http://www.ebay.com/itm/50pcs-Nylon-Hex-Standoff-Spacer-M2-5-Female-to-Male-18mm-6mm-Z4E6-/122553264712?hash=item1c88be6a48:g:VG4AAOSw1BlZRdvn

Edit: Amazon has them for a little over twice the price: https://www.amazon.com/50pcs-Hexagonal-Standoff-Spacer-Female/dp/B00NQBFHMG/ref=sr_1_16?ie=UTF8&qid=1504154570&sr=8-16&keywords=2.5+standoff

u/drunkadvice Ā· 1 pointr/multicopterbuilds

Your TXRX is the flight controller. You said the transmitter will come later. When you order one, make sure you get a receiver that will pair with it.

You're going to need nylon standoffs to mount the PDB/FC to the drone. something like this...

Heat shrink will be a good idea too. Tools (Soldering iron, precision hex wrenches, 5.5mm ratchet, etc) and stuff if you don't already have them. There's a lot of hidden costs that aren't on the frame.

u/elcheapo Ā· 1 pointr/Multicopter

A description of mine:

  • ZMR clone frame - $35
  • EMAX 2204/2300KV motors + 12A ESCs - $78
  • Naze32 - $25
  • PDB - $5

    Propellers: the sky's the limit. You can start with $20 worth.
    Transmitter/receiver: Turnigy 9X, you can get it for $60/70 at Hobbyking
    Battery / charger: as much as you want to spend. The bare minimum is $12 for a charger and $20-ish for a couple decent batteries (1500 mAh 3S with a good discharge rate). You'll also need odds and ends such as nylon standoffs.

    In short, you can get to your first day of flying a line-of-sight 250 for around $200 if you look for the cheapest parts. That's just the beginning though. If you want FPV then you'll need a transmitter, receiver, goggles, antennas.
u/cryinwilson Ā· 1 pointr/MechanicalKeyboards

Ah, well I've used these round standoffs before, and I think they would be good if you're looking for as much clearance as possible. 3mm diameter.

u/kyzen Ā· 1 pointr/Multicopter

Get some nylon standoffs like these - whatever size you want, but you need the ones that are male on one side, female on the other. Most quad stores sell these as well, I know Hobbyking sells them in bags of 10 for a buck or two.

The male ends of the screws are just wide enough that they'll jam into the little tracks you see in the FC well of the frame coming in towards the center diagonally from each corner. A little bit of glue will keep them there. Mount your FC on those.

If you use some medium sized standoffs, you can make use of the space under your flight controller to tuck away your wiring.

u/CyberSKulls Ā· 2 pointsr/gpumining

You can use something like this:

50 Pcs 7 x 8 x 3.2mm White Hollowed Spacer Support https://www.amazon.com/dp/B00C97H4P6/ref=cm_sw_r_cp_apip_okvkIwAAyJBHm

Or you can use actual motherboard standoff's. I'm currently using these attached to wood. Drill a tiny pilot hole and screw them in. :

StarTech Replacement PC Mounting Metal Jack Screw Standoff - 50 Pack SCREWNUTM https://www.amazon.com/dp/B00008VF6K/ref=cm_sw_r_cp_api_3RwZzbN5DHV1T

u/Triskite Ā· 1 pointr/18650masterrace

I have not but read the comments ppl have tested it to 20A. You'd need like 4pcs per battery from this 360 pack:
https://www.amazon.com/dp/B013ZWM1F6/ref=cm_sw_r_cp_apa_i_tmEBDbXT875G8

u/Iowa_Dave Ā· 1 pointr/ender3

I put these aluminum spacers on my Ender 3 and CR-10S. They worked fine.

I already have stepper dampers and those solved any noise/vibrations I was worried about.

I should mention that I quit using glass beds, so I'm slinging around a half a kilo less mass than you might be.

I switched to this build surface directly on the aluminum plate and I'll never use glass again. Mesh-bed leveling solves the warped bed problem and prints stick like GLUE until I give them a solid tap.

u/peverj Ā· 1 pointr/sffpc

>Sorry I canā€™t check my build immediately for exactly which standoffs I used; but here is the link to the set I bought on Amazon: https://www.amazon.com/dp/B013ZWM1F6/ref=cm\_sw\_r\_cp\_api\_i\_Ux7sDbQAW6TGZ
>
>Iā€™ll try to check tomorrow and see if I can be more exact!

Tks !!

u/Hard_Max Ā· 2 pointsr/Multicopter

Yep, that's the one (it's partially put together on my kitchen table right now). I'll tell what I bought and let you decide what to get (I overbought since I have nothing to start with). Keep in mind that I am completely new to the RC hobby and this is my first quadcopter build.

laptop screws for the motors

nylon spacer kit

Nylock nuts for the props

Velcro straps

XT60 connectors to make power lead

Wire to make power lead

zip ties

heat shrink

Like I said I overbought but I think this will work for me (for example my batteries have an XT60 connection).

Some other stuff I got because I'm a newb and want my quadcopter to light up the sky:

Helping Hands Magnifier -> this works very well

Learn to solder kit -> it helped me

Pretty lights

u/Articus Ā· 1 pointr/sffpc

Sorry I canā€™t check my build immediately for exactly which standoffs I used; but here is the link to the set I bought on Amazon: https://www.amazon.com/dp/B013ZWM1F6/ref=cm_sw_r_cp_api_i_Ux7sDbQAW6TGZ

Iā€™ll try to check tomorrow and see if I can be more exact!

u/yupumad Ā· 1 pointr/computertechs

It looks like a regular motherboard standoff. Not sure what size though. You can grab a kit with different types if you can't figure out what size it is.

https://smile.amazon.com/dp/B075K3QBMX/ref=cm_sw_em_r_mt_dp_U_QgqZCbPFFHY6V

u/ultradip Ā· 1 pointr/Atomic_Pi

They're just motherboard standoffs. I got a box of them of various sizes off Amazon.

https://smile.amazon.com/dp/B06XQ33Y9X/ref=cm_sw_r_tw_dp_U_x_tNnXCbD7GT090

u/BadBoyNDSU Ā· 1 pointr/Arcade1Up

You can mount it directly, but should use stand offs. https://www.amazon.com/dp/B00R4ZT1FY/ref=cm_sw_r_other_apa_i_dxvPDbXGHQF41

u/bmg1987 Ā· 1 pointr/pcmasterrace

You can. It would be more affordable going that route. Rather than getting a kit online which you will probably never need to use the whole kit in the long run. https://www.amazon.com/Hilitchi-360pcs-Female-Standoff-Assortment/dp/B013ZWM1F6/ref=mp_s_a_1_4?keywords=pc+standoffs&qid=1565024872&s=gateway&sr=8-4

u/frostfiree Ā· 1 pointr/mechmarket

These are the ones I used.

u/AbysmalVixen Ā· 1 pointr/pcmasterrace

I bought these standoffs for a test bench I was working on at one point and they worked fine. Even comes with screws

Also got a tap and die to make new holes cause I was making it work with a laptop board (lasted a while until I fried it)

u/Malik112099 Ā· 1 pointr/Quadcopter

I just get the kits off of [Amazon](Rosiness 180Pcs M3 Nylon Hex Spacers Screw Nut Stand-off Plastic Accessories Assortment Black https://www.amazon.com/dp/B00LGBM3J8/ref=cm_sw_r_cp_api_q9PuybYP7A044)

u/bbartokk Ā· 3 pointsr/modular

Head to the hardware store and see what they have that you can use. Maybe with a dremel you can cut some pieces to fit. Its not pretty but I wouldnt let 4mm hold me back.

Or...sell your old case once you get the new one to recoup some of that money. Just had another thought....maybe these standoffs might work?

u/puppymallet Ā· 1 pointr/Quadcopter

You're going to need this power cord for the imax b6 charger, for whatever reason they don't sell the power cord with the charger. http://amzn.com/B009VDPNXQ

You should also get this battery for your transmitter http://amzn.com/B00JERJZSS

Definitely invest in a voltage checker, this thing is invaluable in the field, if you discharge your batteries beyond a certain point they go bad, I've had two die on me so far because I let the voltage get too low. http://amzn.com/B00EXPPF80

You need some kind of power distribution board, to distribute power from your battery to the rest of the craft, something like this http://amzn.com/B00GQOZZUY

You will need these servo wires to connect your receiver to the kk2 http://amzn.com/B00P6JJFIS

These nylon standoffs will be really handy when you mount your flight controller and PDB (power distribution board) to the frame http://amzn.com/B00LGB2N1Q

Random stuff from the hardware store: Liquid tape, electric tape, big zip ties, little zip ties, velcro

That's probably not everything but you will be flying a lot sooner with all of this stuff

u/falconPancho Ā· 2 pointsr/AskElectronics

Most electronics if imperial use 4-40. Aka #4 diameter 40 threads per inch.
If you are a metric guy M2 M3 M4 are 2mm, 3mm and 4mm respectively. Here is a stand off kit that has a lot of size screws stand offs and nuts for metric since you are canadian. Hilitchi 360pcs M2 M3 M4 Male Female Brass Spacer Standoff Screw Nut Assortment Kit https://www.amazon.com/dp/B013ZWM1F6/ref=cm_sw_r_cp_apa_zDjyxbVD15PA6

u/sup3rcunt Ā· 1 pointr/audioengineering

Sutemribor M2.5 Male Female Hex Brass Spacer Standoff Screw Nut Assortment Kit (180Pcs) https://www.amazon.com/dp/B075K3QBMX/ref=cm_sw_r_cp_api_i_BxipDbRXZ1GXB

i guess i meant brass hahaha

they get loose and if you have a bad ground they can really fuck you up