(Part 2) Reddit mentions: The best hiking backpacking packs

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Next thing on the survival menu: make sure you have enough cash and convert it to Canadian before you leave. I normally suggest you bring about $150 - $200 depending on how early you plan on getting in. The cash machine can run out and I don't know how well it works with American bank accounts. ( $50/day early iirc ) Food also can get expensive.. Be ready for that

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There are a few places you can get food along the way, Kelwona is good, Castlegar is great ( No frills sells cheap food.. vegis can be meh, but for dirt cheap thats where I hit up ) Nelson is out of the way but has a "membership free bulk store" called Wholesale club.. It works but might be too large for one person

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Canadian tire will sell cheap coolers ( styrofoam etc ) so you can pick that up drop some ice in and go. Personally i hate suggesting styrofoam but you do what you need to.

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To pack your bag to save the maximum space, ROLL your clothes then push them into ziplock freezer bags. you can easily fit 2 - 3x the amount into a bag, depending on the size of your backpack and how long you will be there it can make it much easier to fit everything. Also bring a bathing suit in a spare bag. Toss it into the bag before tossing it into your backpack as you leave so it won't stink up everything.

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For clothing, shorts and tshirts work great, Lots of people love to dress up with costumes.. Now, it does get a bit chilly at night if you are not at the stages. A pair of pants and a hoodie is a good idea, ALSO KNOW, there is always a chance it could rain. so be ready for that. Normally it doesn't last long but you could get wet.

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( I will link my basic hiking setup at the bottom, I've collected this stuff over years but I can make it about 5-7 days with this, obviously you don't need everything but thats what I take hiking )

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Make sure to bring a GOOD pair of shoes for walking. When it gets dark, the paths become.. Sketchy. during the day sandals works but I always perfered my walking shoes. Water shoes are also AMAZING. The river is rockey.. Well.. only rocks.. So having something you can walk though it is super nice. You can do it bare foot and I have many times but its not always the most comfortable of things.

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1. Get a good backpack, On the cheaper side, get a Amazon Basics Note, 75lr could put you over the 50lb mark at the airport so be prepared for that -- SIDE NOTE. Ask the person at the flight desk for a bag to put your backpack into and tape it up. Makes flying 9000x better with a backpack because it won't get caught
   
   https://www.amazon.ca/gp/product/B06Y5M3D4P/ref=ppx_yo_dt_b_search_asin_title?ie=UTF8&psc=1
   
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2. get a hiking sleeping bag aka, very light weight and compact.
   
   https://www.amazon.ca/gp/product/B00TZRPQFI/ref=ppx_yo_dt_b_search_asin_title?ie=UTF8&psc=1
   
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3. Camping Chair
   
   https://www.amazon.ca/NiceC-Ultralight-Portable-Backpacking-Festival/dp/B07F1Z4W6T/ref=sr_1_5?keywords=camping+chair&qid=1562387249&s=sports&sr=1-5
   
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4. water pack
   
   https://www.amazon.ca/Camelbak-1122001900-Hydration-Backpacks-HydroBak/dp/B01L8JENFO/ref=sr_1_3?keywords=camelback&qid=1562387280&s=sports&sr=1-3
   
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5. stove kit **MAKE SURE YOU DO YOUR RESEARCH AND CAN GET TANKS THAT FIT**
   
   https://www.amazon.ca/TOMSHOO-Cookware-Piezoelectric-Ignition-Backpacking/dp/B01JLMM0YG/ref=sr_1_4?keywords=hiking+stove&qid=1562387297&s=sports&sr=1-4
   
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6. Foamy ( foams are lighter than inflatables every lb counts )
   
   https://www.amazon.ca/Mountain-Warehouse-Roll-Mat-Lightweight/dp/B00FB6D06Y/ref=sr_1_9?keywords=camp+foam&qid=1562387485&s=sports&sr=1-9
   
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7. hiking pillow ( takes up 1/10th the space )
   
   https://www.amazon.ca/Sports-ComfortLite-Self-Inflating-Comfortably-Backpacking/dp/B009L1MF7A/ref=sr_1_5?keywords=hiking+pillow&qid=1562387513&s=sports&sr=1-5
   
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8. hiking towels
   
   https://www.amazon.ca/BOGI-Microfiber-Travel-Sports-Compact/dp/B077VK4TDW/ref=sr_1_2?keywords=camp+towels&qid=1562387529&s=sports&sr=1-2
   
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9. SUNSCREEN!!! Very important unless you enjoy being a lobster. The sun is VERY STRONG out in the valley the first year I went, I watched a guy go from well tanned construction worker to lobster to a walking talking blister. Not fun
   
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10. dollar store tarps and rope ( probably $10 combined so don't feel bad trashing them after )
    
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11. FLASHLIGHT, The roots are killer at night.. I swear, the trees are alive and will try and trip you
    
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12. eating utensils.. I got a kit from the dollar store for $10 then just eat out of my pots.
    
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13. TENT: I got a greer top hiking tent.. Its gone from amazon.. a 2man tent is your best bet get it as light as possible.

agreed. dont skimp on your sleeping pad and sleeping bag. i have only been backpacking for around 4 years, and can say dont be in a rush to buy all new gear at once (other than the fact that you might have to because you simply dont have any gear yet).

my first year i bought a nice 65L pack (teton sports mountain adventurer 4000). i have friends with Ospreys and Gregory packs and others that are more expensive but i have been VERY impressed with the weight, price, and durability of Teton gear. the quintessential backpack most well known i think is the Osprey Atmos 65 AG. but its going to cost about $100 more than the Teton.

my second year i had learned my lesson and upgraded my sleeping pad and sleeping bag. i got a Sierra Designs Zissou 20 degree down bag and a Big Agnes Insulated Air Core sleeping pad. the difference i experienced that year was night and day having quality sleeping gear.

my third year i learned what clothing i did/didnt need, and how important a quality water filter is. i had been using the Sawyer mini but it just wasnt cutting it (look up vidoes of how big a pain it is to fill the little squeeze bag in shallow water). i invested in an MSR MiniWorks EX and am so glad i did. that thing is a beast and despite having to clean it in the field maybe more often than some other filters, i know that it is getting all the crap out of my water so it is worth it to me.

this year im investing in a better cook kit, etc. you get the picture

the key for me has been that i always hike with two other friends of mine. they have gear that i dont have and vice versa. so i dont need to run out and buy everything all at once. i would encourage you to find some people you can go with and share gear with. that way you can hear what other people like/dont like and try stuff out yourself. my buddy bought a Kelty 1-person tent that is super light weight and bragged all about it. when i saw him set it up i understood why it was so light...its the smallest tent i have ever seen. and that works for him. but for me i always carry a two person tent because i like the extra room. i have a Kelty Salida 2 person tent which weighs about 4.5 lbs and is awesome. had i not seen his 1-person tent i might have been tempted to get that based on weight.

either way, walmart and amazon are fine for a lot of things (cook pots, spoons, mugs, headlamps, long johns, socks, gloves, hats, knives, first aid kits, etc). but when it comes to the essentials (sleeping, main layers in cold weather like a down coat or good rain gear, boots, stoves, packs) you need to realize its an investment not an expenditure. buy nice, or buy twice, as they say.

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happy camping!

[This is the pack I just got from amazon recently] (http://www.amazon.com/Sports-Escape-Ultralight-Internal-Backpack/dp/B006JYHI24/ref=sr_1_2?ie=UTF8&qid=1345071118&sr=8-2&keywords=Teton+ultralight). Its made by Teton sports, which I had never heard of but has good reviews. Honestly the material is the same as a $200 plus pack just without the frills. Zippers are nice and strong and the stitching looks quality.

I packed about 45lbs into it to test when I got it. I'm heading out for a week in the mountains on Friday. Its fully adjustable and has removable aluminum stays that you can shape to your back to get the best comfort and weight distribution which is awesome. It takes a bit of trial and error with the shoulder straps to get the distribution right but I got it to where it felt really nice and did a mile out and back with no pain.

Its just over $100 bucks so its in your range and qualifies for free shipping from amazon. But honestly if its just one day I think you could get something smaller and cheaper.

[Maybe this one] (http://www.amazon.com/Sports-Summit-Ultralight-Internal-Backpack/dp/B006JYHH34/ref=sr_1_4?ie=UTF8&qid=1345072392&sr=8-4&keywords=Teton+ultralight) which is half the size and considerably cheaper

EDIT: Also in the past I have found really nice packs for cheap on craigslist. You can almost always find a nice REI or north face pack in good shape around your price range. Another option at least

https://www.amazon.com/gp/aw/d/B01G7SQCCS/ref=mp_s_a_1_2?ie=UTF8&qid=1496851832&sr=8-2-spons&pi=AC_SX236_SY340_QL65&keywords=LifeStraw&psc=1

I bought this and I love it, so you can always have safe drinking water.

Sun screen is outrageously expensive. I literally just bought sunscreen yesterday 125ml for almost 400 baht.

https://www.amazon.com/gp/aw/d/B00HNSSV3U/ref=mp_s_a_1_1_a_it?ie=UTF8&qid=1496851895&sr=8-1&keywords=sunscreen+sticks

These are great and don't count against your liquids

https://www.amazon.com/gp/aw/d/B00I8Y4GE6/ref=sr_ph_1_a_it?ie=UTF8&qid=1496851979&sr=sr-1&keywords=conditioner+bar+coconut

Again; then your conditioner doesn't count against your liquids. The off spray (high deet) I bought yesterday was 125 baht. So super cheap. I also brought these and they've helped a lot.

https://www.amazon.com/gp/aw/d/B01F85OLV0/ref=mp_s_a_1_14?ie=UTF8&qid=1496852045&sr=8-14&pi=AC_SX236_SY340_QL65&keywords=mosquito+repellent+bracelet

Good luck. Seriously don't really worry about clothes. They're so much cute and cheap stuff here that you'll want to buy. I'm on day 36 of a 6 month trip and I hardly packed a full weeks worth of clothes, I've bought elephant pants and some sun dresses and tanks. Bring clothes you're going to wear out and then just toss by the end of your trip. Also if you get your clothes laundered almost everything will shrink. So seriously. Bring crap clothes.

Also. Something I always do before a long trip which is super tough for me is, pack your bag like three or four days before you're going to leave. And then carry your bag around for like thirty minutes. Is it too heavy?!? Is there stuff that you might not need? Seriously the humidity is so awful you're going to want the lightest pack you can manage.

Also, Sorry for all the amazon spam;


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This bag is a god send. I used it as my carry on bag, for my essentials for the flight and then it folds up super small! So when I want to go out for the day and want to bring a few things I shove it all in that. Also. I love my money belt. I use it here all the time. I actually have the "spy belt" brand and so when I go out at night I have some cash and a place to stash my iPhone and I'm still hands free. I think it looks less desiring that a large shoulder purse that someone may want to take. 😊sorry if this is too much info. Holla if you have any other questions!! I might be able to help.

48L is pretty small if you are going to be doing any sort of camping etc. I'd recommend at least looking at a 60-65. Anyways, that's not what you are asking.

As far as cheap but sturdy, I bought both the Teton Fox for myself and the Teton Sports Explorer for my girlfriend and found them to be both fairly reliable. This was for an 8 week backpacking trip where I stayed in hostels through Europe (my gf was there for 5 of the weeks), so it didn't go through the rigor of camping, through I'd be willing to say that they would be entirely adequate.

For you, I would say that maybe the Scout or the Summit could be good matches.

Another advantage of going this cheap is that even if the backpack ends up breaking (again, not likely on the first trip), you'll be in a better position to understand what you do and don't like about it.

Oh and don't forget a raincover if they aren't built in.

TL;DR: Teton makes good cheap backpacks but I don't have experience with the smaller sizes. Also think about a slightly larger backpack.

Edit: Forgot to mention that I bought mine without trying it on first and it was close to the perfect size (could have used slightly longer straps over the shoulder, I'm 6'1"), but I have some decent experience with backpacks. For the most part, if you read enough of the reviews you'll find people of certain sizes fitting/not fitting.

Edit dos: Even more thoughts. It's free to try on backpacks in stores, and worth your time just to get accustomed to what the various sizes actually feel like and what sort of features you like. Once you try a few you'll get the hang of it.

What's a good bag for day hiking? I want something light enough to not be overkill for short hikes but big enough to be useable when I transition to longer day hikes. I don't plan on doing overnight hikes at this point. I want something quality that will last a lifetime, but that won't break the bank (I'm looking for sub $100 but HOPEFULLY around $50). Also needs comfortable, cool, padding on the back, hold a 3L bladder, and have good options for compression, hanging, carrying rolls on the bottom etc.

Bags I'm looking at:
Osprey Daylite - seems ok, but I'm worried that it might not be big enough to transition to longer hikes.
Osprey Talon 22 - looks good all around, but the price scares me off a bit and I'm not sure if it's worth it over the daylite
Mountaintop Daypack - Looks nice, and the price looks nice but the unknown brand and quality worries me. And it's only $20 extra for the osprey

Any advice, suggestions, first hand experience with packs, etc. is welcome! Thanks!

Hey all. Relatively new to the ultralight scene, but have been trying to go lighter weight over the last few years. Will probably still be a while before I'm true ultralight (6lbs for the big 4?), but my current plan would have me at 7-7.5 lbs for the big 4. Was curious about your input / any suggestions for improvements:

• Tent - Naturehike CloudUp2 (owned) - $120, 3.30 lbs (shared with wife, 1.65 lbs)
  
• Pad - Klymit Static V (owned) - Bought for $50, 1.15 pounds
  
• Bag - Mountaintop 40 Liter Hiking Backpack (owned) - Bought for $27 in an amazon lightning sale, 2.05 lbs.
  
• Sleeping bag - Hyke & Byke Eolus 15 degree 800 FP down bag (plan to buy) - $150, 2.54 lbs
  
  Overall, $350/7.4 lbs for the big 4. I definitely know there's room for improvement and I will probably be replacing things as I can afford it. The most obvious place for improvement is the bag, but I'd actually bought one for my wife as a temporary hiking bag for our first hike-in camp together but we ended up both really liking it. It's comfortable and for $27 it was hard to pass up, especially as it has all the compartments I like in a hiking bag (i.e. access to the bottom section for the sleeping bag). Welcome to criticisms and suggestions.
  

You really need to go and try some packs out or better yet Buy a few and load it with what you think you will be carrying do not have the store people stuff bags in there it's not the same as having gear in there they fell much more different. I ended up with a Osprey Black and a Green Pack. I also have a Kelty Lakota 65 for longer hikes.

Osprey is the lighter of the Brands Gregory and Kelty are more heavier and more durable, but if you take care of the packs even the ultra light ones will last you. For $150 you won't be getting the Higher end packs they cost more then that, Or you can try a REI Garage sale and get lucky.

Trips like the one's you posted are great for light packs like the Osprey 65 you can pack a bunch in that pack and still feel like nothing is on your back. The only thing I don't like about Osprey is the side zippers I am a larger man and they don't work too well with my form lol.

This TETON Sports is a great pack it's not the lightest but for the money and the ENTIRE pack is nylon so it's tough as nails, I used it for a few year before upgrading to a lighter packs. I do not regret this at all.

here is a new version

https://www.amazon.com/Sports-Adventurer-Ultralight-Backpacking-Mountaineering/dp/B016ZXEDCQ/ref=cm_cr_arp_d_product_sims?ie=UTF8

https://www.amazon.com/Sports-Internal-ALUMINUM-Backpack-Backpacking/dp/B000F34ZKS/ref=sr_1_5?s=sporting-goods&ie=UTF8&qid=1500753362&sr=1-5&keywords=hiking%2Bbackpack&th=1

Mountaintop 40 liter pretty good for 40 bucks, however I'm upgrading again soon. This one is great and I've had it for about two years now with no sign of wear and tear but I wish I had gone with a 50 or 60 liter bag as the 40 really strains for space on a week long trip. Its perfect for about three days however and that's usually what I do anyway. here's some pics of mine the thing I was most concerned about was support and this does a decent enough job, I'd say 7/10. It has molded foam support which is good but a external frame style seems better to me ( however that's a opinionated subject ) id reccamend going ahead and getting either this one or a larger Teton, or the larger version of mine if your planning on staying out for more than 5 days or so. Less than that and I'd highly recommend mine :)

This is so ridiculously broad we can't answer it properly without more details. If I'm just doing a trek into the woods for the day or something I can bring a ferro rod in my pocket, a knife on my belt and whatever food I'm eating. I don't need anything else - although I will almost definitely bring a hammock to chill out in when I find a nice spot. Hammocks are tiny, all of that can fit in the pockets of a set of cargo shorts/pants. I don't really wear stuff like that so I'd probably bring a small pack, but like literally anything. A Jansport school bag, one of those old drawstring bags you got for free somewhere..any type of bag. An overnighter is different but it all depends on what your doing, do you need an axe and saw? Are you bringing shelter? Is it cold or hot? You don't need fancy packs, this is a cheap $20 40L bag.

https://www.amazon.com/G4Free-Lightweight-Resistant-Backpack-Foldable/dp/B0151EFBR6/ref=sr_1_4?dchild=1&keywords=camping+bag&qid=1574919278&sr=8-4

IMO pretty much no matter what your doing you should be able to fit everything for an over-nighter into a bag like this. If you're doing a 100mile 7-day backpacking trip, it may be a little bit different, although you could still make it work in that pack; but we're talking about Bushcraft, you definitely don't need an 80-pound pack, and can get away with pretty much anything IMO. You don't NEED a smaller pack, just don't pack things you don't need.

I will preface that my taste is super functional with some solid simple design.
Some really great functional, light breathable backpacks are the companies that specialize in hiking daypacks - Osprey, Gregory, Kelty, etc. Pockets and access where you need them. I have found that a lot of the more stylish bags will not be as comfortable and less breathable. It depends on what you want to do, what you like, and how much you want to carry. I am guessing you just want a daypack, which will be ~20-30L. If you want something really stylish and do not plan on hiking, then there are other people besides me who can help with that. If you plan on walking a lot with a backpack on, my personal recommendations are:

• Gregory Miwok 18 or 24L
  
• [Newer Gregory Miwok model] (https://www.amazon.com/dp/B015SBKAMI/ref=twister_B01788SQCA?_encoding=UTF8&psc=1)
  
• Osprey Talon 22
  
• LL Bean Green Mountain daypack - a bit heavier, but I have used it for hiking. Not as comfortable as Osprey or Gregory packs, but it has been solid and I think it looks nicer. The colors come out a bit darker and richer than the pictures. Got the green one and looks great.
  
• Kelty Redwing 32 - a little bit bigger, but the straps on the side help to make it smaller when you are not using the whole bag.
  

A couple years ago I had been hiking a lot and decided to see if backpacking was for me. I didn't want to jump too deep into the gear money pit without knowing how I'd like longer overnights so I bought a set of cheaper gear and have been slowly replacing it.

I started with this pack from Amazon. (I think it was only $50 when I got it) Its not the best pack in the world, but I was really happy with it on my first several trips. I've since replaced it with a nice Gregory and the main differences are that the Gregory carries its load more comfortably and feels more reliable (meaning it will last longer). The front end of this pack felt perfectly solid, but the connection between the pack and the shoulder straps seemed like it might give out after a couple years.

I bought this tent and still use it. There are lighter, more backpack-y options for sure, but for $100 I'm very pleased with it. It takes up way too much of my pack, but it holds up well and has never leaked on me.

Re pack size: Some folks would probably have no problem getting gear + supplies for a 4 night trip in a 45L pack. However, for folks like us who are newer at this I'd say go bigger. Get a 65L for anything over 2 nights. Part of cutting down your pack size is experience in knowing what you will need and what is dead weight. Also people who are more experienced have invested $$ in lighter gear or learned to fashion their own light weight gear.

I use a super cheap foamy pad kinda like this one and an Enlightened Equipment Enigma quilt. For shelter I carry the Six Moon Designs Skyscape Scout. Wish I could afford the Skyscape X... saving my pennies for that one maybe in another year or two.

No joke, the dish rags I use are paper thin. I wish I could find an example of them on Amazon. Maybe I'll get spunky later and upload a picture.

While we're recommending gear, I highly recommend snagging one of these. It's weighs 0.4oz, clips to anything, puts out a tremendous amount of light, practically indestructable, and the battery lasts forever. I keep one on my keychain all the time and it's my backup flashlight if my head lamp were to croak.

Also, your day pack is really heavy. What do you really plan on carrying? Something like this would save you a full half pound.

Glad to see you've narrowed down your specifications a bit! Have you found what you want yet or are you still looking for options?

From the extra info there, I would suggest the:

5.11 Rush

Maxpedition Falcon II

Tactical Tailor Operator Pack

Whichever Grey Ghost Gear Pack that tickles your fancy

out of the ones I previouly listed.

Also, as mentioned before the GoRuck GR0 if you're under 6' tall or the GoRuck GR1 if you're taller than 6' but again, those are right at your $300 limit, and I would guess not a whole lot better than any of the previously mentioned packs for the price.

A couple more neat options are by Spec-Ops Brand.
Recon Ruck Ultra
Looks like a new take on an old design (the A.L.I.C.E. pack which was military issue during Vietnam up until it was replaced by the M.O.L.L.E pack)

T.H.E. Pack - Tactical : Much more of a standard "tactical pack" which should still be plenty durable to handle whatever you throw at it. A combat medic buddy of mine loved Spec-Ops Brand stuff as it was both affordable and reliable.

Another cool bag that I just learned about is the Pegasus Pack from Warrior Assault Systems although I don't know where I could suggest you get one. They have a little, "Find a retailer" button to help out with that I guess.

Anyway, good luck.

Get a backpack. It's super easy and convenient, much more so than a purse, since your hands are free.

I have a heavy duty one for my laptop (plus whatever), as well as a smaller collapsible one like this. The latter is great for when I'm out on a walk since I can just fold it up and keep it clipped to my belt until I'm ready to load it up.

I have decided that if I won the lottery, the first thing I would do is Buy and island so I could feel as if I had my own little country. I would also build my own house, but not just any house. It would look exactly like this. Then I would invite all of my friends over and throw a massive party. They would all come in on my new Yacht. After the party I would send everyone home. It would be the last one of these for a while, because if I won enough, I would then become Iron Man. I'd battle crime and terrorism and help the world. This is what I would do if I ever won the lottery.

Foldable Traveling Backpack

For a 5-10 mile hike, I have found the Teton ones and the amazonbasics ones (also made by teton) are great deals.

There are better ones sure, and if you go hiking over and over again, you might want to upgrade down the road.

But if you are just starting out and don't want to spend a ton these are great.

https://smile.amazon.com/stores/page/499ACCEA-D3AC-4FCD-A53A-1014ABC90D10?ingress=2&visitId=7b3cf6ca-7df8-41be-867b-dd56ee3c20ba

https://smile.amazon.com/AmazonBasics-Internal-Hiking-Backpack-Rainfly/dp/B06Y5M3D4P/ref=sr_1_3_acs_sk_pb_2_sl_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1537228076&sr=8-3-acs&keywords=teton%2Bbackpack&th=1

Current bag is this backpack, although - full disclosure - I haven't used it yet! My go-to was an eBags crossbody (Piazza) which I highly recommend if anyone prefers crossbody, but after a full day at the parks and a fully loaded bag I would end up with ONE sore shoulder. I finally decided to get the same backpack my friend had when we went to DL. It's the perfect size and folds up into a pouch for easy packing!

Its hi-tech bag made for hiking (super comfy!!!) little stretchy and waterproof. I put camera with lens into shoulder bag and then into rucksack. If you carry extra lens, just put it in pouch or something. Looks good as well and coz I cycle a lot its perfect bag for biking too.
My daily load is 13" laptop+d810+105f1.4 and there's still space for jumper or jacket. It has flexible outside pocket where you can put lots of stuff as well. go somewhere to shop check it out.
Here's mine and here is rain cover, It has straps on sides where you can attach tripod.

Some options

1. simple bag
   
2. smaller bag
   
3. Messenger bag, maybe not this one but look around they may work
   
4. any backpack or canvas bag....option 2
   
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   hope this helps, best of luck

If all I'm carrying for the whole trip is a daypack, then I'll use my Osprey Daylite Plus.

But if I'm backpacking, setting up a basecamp, and then running around exploring during the day with a daypack? I just bring my tiny stowable Naturehike 18L backpack. Only weighs 120g and is worth tossing in my main ruck when backpacking so that I have some flexibility to leave the big bag back at camp. The side pockets hold a Nalgene perfectly, and the waterproof fabric has held up pretty well to what I've thrown at it.

The best product on Amazon is this Foldable Travelling Backpack for when you go somewhere and end up with lots of stuff to bring back and need and extra bag or more room! It seems like it would be really useful!

Yeah, they were middle-shelf options back in the day. Not super low quality, but not top-of-the-line either.

JanSport has been a solid reliable name in backpacks for a long time. Not overly technical, but they get the job done. Today they are lower quality for this type of use (wilderness backpacking) as other brands have taken over.

You mentioned Mystery Ranch. They are a high end company, making quality products. Great choice. They come from Dana Designs company back when the JanSport packs you have were made. Dana was the top-shelf option then and I still have fond memories of my Dana pack from 1990 (totally heavy and overbuild by today's standards).

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Here is a pack on Amazon that I'd compare to your internal frame second picture:

• https://www.amazon.com/TETON-SPORTS-163G-Explorer-Internal/dp/B01JYY7M5S
  
  Here is a quality option that modern backpackers carry:
  
  
• https://www.osprey.com/us/en/product/atmos-ag-50-ATMOS50S18_334.html

I love this backpack!

It's large enough to supply me for a 3-week international trip, but due to all the straps, it can also be compressed small enough to not trigger a carryon charge on Frontier. (when 100% full, it's small enough to fit either in overhead bins or under your seat because of the soft sides)

It seems to be pretty sturdy. I've had it for 2 years, but I don't use it every day, but it's been through a lot!

I have a Gonex zippered bag that I suspect is from the same exact manufacturer.

I cut some stuff off and its about 8 oz. Its a pretty good day pack or beach pack, and you can easily fit an overnight load in it if you so pleased. Side pockets arent durable but the holes in mine so far havent affected performance.

Its not as good as a Flash 22, but its also a third the cost. I got mine as a gift in one of the UL secret santa gift exchanges, but its a lot of backpack for the price.

"Amazon Basics" is some gear that's not perfect or ultralight, but decent and well-priced.

For example, they have a backpack that's a knock-off of the Teton 3400 (which itself is a decent-and-reasonably-priced product itself!), without being a complete piece of junk. Currently it's like fifty bucks, though the price moves a lot (I paid like $42, I think):
https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B06Y6LRWZQ/

Whereas I believe this is the Teton original, for 50% more:
https://www.amazon.com/dp/B01JYY7M5S/

Somewhere in my emails I have a long note about buying cheap gear that I wrote up for the new parents in our Scout troop; I can dig it up if you want to read it, though I am sure some here would dispute my lazy generalizations. :7)

I hate on Wal-Mart a lot, but their camping stuff has a good reputation for being "cheap and cheerful," which makes it perfect for n00bs on the principle of "Buy a cheap item first and if you use it enough to wear it out, you'll know that you want to buy high quality next time. And if you don't wear it out, then you haven't spent much to discover that this hobby isn't for you."

I just bought this similar pack for $14.50 as a lightning deal then I saw the pack in the post. The $24.90 pack has less needless pockets and doodads, but also has nice looking hipbelts and waterbottle pockets. I've got the $24.90 pack incoming, so I can do a comparison and post about it if anyone is interested. Looks like it could give some much more expensive packs a run for their money.

I am a fan of the Osprey Talon 22. 22 > 18 I know, but it was close enough that I figured I would mention it.

I have used this pack on a couple winter day hikes this year. Its comfortably fits my food, up to 100oz of water, microspikes, and emergency overnight gear on the inside and an ice axe on the outside. I havent used it yet in the summer, but I see it being perfect for day hikes and single overnight hikes.

EDIT: Corrected 100L to 100oz. 100L is a lot :)

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great deal and really nice features on that pack. Anywhere to get it in the US?

I got this one recently - 18L and 4.5ish oz for about $15. Wanna trade? :-)

https://smile.amazon.com/gp/product/B0753ZQDGN/ref=oh_aui_search_detailpage?ie=UTF8&psc=1

Actually, most all Osprey packs are on sale on several websites. This must be one of their approved clearance times.

REI has a discount on Osprey packs. Any Osprey packs in the REI Garage are an additional 20% (could get a Stratos 24 for under $80).


Moosejaw has a sale going.


Even Amazon, as mentioned above, is running good prices. Picked up the Talon 22 for sub-$90. Great all around backpack for trails, bike rides, commuting, photography, etc.


I'm sure there are some other sites worth checking out, but those are the ones I browsed before pulling the trigger on the blue Osprey Talon 22 from Amazon (and it arrived within a day!)

Teton Sports 163G Explorer 4000 Internal Frame Backpack – Not Your Basic Backpack; High-Performance Backpack for Backpacking, Hiking, Camping; Sewn-in Rain Cover; Hunter Green https://www.amazon.com/dp/B01JYY7M5S/ref=cm_sw_r_cp_api_zveVBbE458QGW


Check this out and see if it’s a fit for you. I did research on it and other Teton products and was very impressed. I just got this bag this weekend and so far I really like it, and it’s affordable!

I get to look forward to finishing my 3rd week of my 5 week summer class...and work Saturday! I hope your week gets better!
This would help me out with traveling/camping

catdog

I was going to recommend the ULA Catalyst but thats not your cup of tea for this purpose.

This one is on a good sale: http://www.amazon.com/Kelty-Trekker-External-Frame-Medium/dp/B004CXCQ0I/ref=sr_1_2?s=outdoor-recreation&ie=UTF8&qid=1450650810&sr=1-2&refinements=p_n_feature_four_browse-bin%3A2325767011

Heres another big external frame for a fair price: http://www.amazon.com/ALPS-OutdoorZ-Commander-Freighter-Inches/dp/B004R7L7YU/ref=sr_1_1?s=outdoor-recreation&ie=UTF8&qid=1450650959&sr=1-1&refinements=p_n_feature_four_browse-bin%3A2325770011

I got some straps like these at the hardware store and fastened my case to a pack frame like this one. It's decently comfortable.

Not sure what you are asking, but the quality/durability issues with the No Limits brand seem chronic. My buddy wanted a really cheap pack to get into backpacking and settled on the Teton Scout 3400 (55L). It's a decent quality pack with plenty of features for a beginner. Currently available on amazon for $65: http://www.amazon.com/TETON-Sports-Scout-Internal-Backpack/dp/B00AE31RJQ

They also make a larger (65L) pack: http://www.amazon.com/TETON-Sports-Explorer-Internal-Backpack/dp/B002XF8106/ref=pd_sim_468_1?ie=UTF8&dpID=41i6Oh9FSNL&dpSrc=sims&preST=_AC_UL320_SR162%2C320_&refRID=1N8YEFCF077RTS8AHSZ7

Be careful about getting into huges packs (anything over 65L is a big pack). It's hard not to fill out all the space in your pack, so the larger your pack, the more you will bring. I understand you are new to the sport and may not have "ultralight" gear, but just be aware that the amount of weight on your back will have a huge impact on your enjoyment, especially as a beginner.

Osprey Momentum 34L Is a pretty good commuter bag, with lots of bells and whistles designed to make it easier for bike commuting. I picked one up for a fraction of this price (check Steep and Cheap and places for deals).


Can hold far more than you will want to carry on your back, but then you can tuck all the straps in so that you can place it on your rack easily too. Straps can be single/double/or messenger single strap.

I tried the Farpoint out and didn't like how it felt when wearing it. I ended up getting the Kelty Redwing 44 (they make a 40 as well) that works just like the farpoint. It can be opened up like a suitcase.

I took it as carry on luggage to Nicaragua for a week, and it performed great! The straps were more sturdy than the farpoint. I was concerned about wearing it all day, and the farpoint didn't feel like it would be up to that challenge.

The farpoint was nicer in that you can more easily tuck away the straps, but I didn't have any problems with the redwing. As long as you don't pack it up full, especially the weird side pockets, you won't have any problem getting it on the plane.

If you ever want to upgrade to a higher quality pack, with a similar design, but for more money. The Maxpedition Falcon 2, and Pygmy Falcon are great packs http://www.amazon.com/Maxpedition-0513B-Falcon-II-Backpack-Black/dp/B0013AXY54/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1409119053&sr=8-1&keywords=maxpedition+falcon+ii

If I had to choose, I would go with the North Face. This is mainly because of the hip belt. Your shoulders can get sore very quickly, even with what would be thought of as minimal weight. Not only will the hip belt take some stress off of your shoulders, it will allow for quick access to desired items. Personally, I would check out what Osprey has to offer. The Manta may not be advertised for Backpacking through Europe but I could see this being a sweet setup, especially with a Sawyer in line water filter. Plus they have lifetime warranties and make amazing gear. Any osprey pack will last beyond your Euro trip. Check out a few that I think could work you for you.

(http://www.amazon.com/Osprey-Manta-Hydration-Radiant-Medium/dp/B008RB2CR8/ref=sr_1_13?s=apparel&ie=UTF8&qid=1410217496&sr=1-13&keywords=osprey)(check the video)

(http://www.amazon.com/Osprey-Packs-Talon-Backpack-Medium/dp/B00E0LGIOM/ref=sr_1_2?s=apparel&ie=UTF8&qid=1410217496&sr=1-2&keywords=osprey)

(http://www.amazon.com/Osprey-Stratos-Backpack-Anthracite-Medium/dp/B00E0EUYDA/ref=sr_1_28?s=apparel&ie=UTF8&qid=1410217496&sr=1-28&keywords=osprey)

(http://www.amazon.com/Osprey-Porter-Travel-Duffel-46-Liter/dp/B00IMXQ8Z8/ref=sr_1_15?s=apparel&ie=UTF8&qid=1410217496&sr=1-15&keywords=osprey)

This is my go to for plane travel when I'm on a work trip.

• Fossil Wallet
  
• Samsung Galaxy S8+ with headphones
  
• Cheapo plastic sunglasses
  
• keys + Swiss+Tech Utili-Key
  
• TWSBI Eco, either white in F nib or black in B nib, typically inked with something from Pilot's Iroshizuku line.
  
• Jerky or some other snack
  
• Maxpedition Falcon II for all my clothes, toiletries, etc. Fits nicely under the seat in front of me. The snacks I pack usually go into a Maxpedition 12x5 Bottle Holder attached to the side of the backpack. I also attach a Maxpedition Rollypoly to the other side. This is used for unloading all of my pockets when going through security.
  
  

It looks like some cheap Chinese brand.

If you’re looking for something cheaper that will still hold up I suggest these


https://www.amazon.com/TETON-SPORTS-Explorer-Internal-Backpack/dp/B002XF8106


Or this for a little more


https://www.amazon.com/Kelty-Coyote-65-Backpack-Black/dp/B01JHK9UOU/ref=mp_s_a_1_9?keywords=kelty+internal+frame&qid=1568936212&s=gateway&sr=8-9




Edit. Here’s a clone of the first link rebranded as Amazon Basics. This is a better price depending on the size and color

https://www.amazon.com/AmazonBasics-Internal-Hiking-Backpack-Rainfly/dp/B077P17P2N

$ 20 on amazon for a lighter, better backpack with larger capacity: https://www.amazon.com/G4Free-Lightweight-Resistant-Backpack-foldable/dp/B0151EFBR6/ref=sr_1_4?ie=UTF8&qid=1518600517&sr=8-4&keywords=ultralight+backpack

It doesn't have a belt, so OP's military setup doesn't either. And there are other choices as well.

fx:
https://www.amazon.com/Backpack-Waterproof-Climbing-Mountaineering-Loowoko/dp/B06WRMYYG7/ref=pd_sbs_468_7?_encoding=UTF8&pd_rd_i=B06WRMYYG7&pd_rd_r=PX427XZDA0PS7CGRJK8H&pd_rd_w=FGzX7&pd_rd_wg=jF0nG&refRID=PX427XZDA0PS7CGRJK8H

This is what you really want. The best bag I've ever owned.

If you don't need it to last long, there are a lot of cheapo bags on Amazon. Amazon Basics will probably last you a few trips.

These packable bags seem interesting, no idea if they're any good.

LL Bean and Jansport also sell reasonably priced bags that will last a while.

I have the Osprey Momentum 34. It's marketed as a commuter pack but it's heavy. I enjoy being able to carry my stuff in it, but it's a pain in the back after mile 12 or so. It lays directly on your back so I'm sweaty when I get in. (side note: that picture also shows how awesome the bag is for travel - you can hide the straps)

Theoretically, yes.

Get a few of the batteries, each of those is only slightly larger than the built in battery, you will be lucky if you get about a half hour each.

Also, for the pack, go with a frame.

https://www.amazon.ca/Stansport-Deluxe-Freighter-Aluminum-Frame/dp/B001RL5PHY/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1458344933&sr=8-1&keywords=hiking+frame+pack

Carrying that much on your back is always going to look stupid, so at least make it comfortable.

I recommend building your own set up, and make sure you start with a good bag. I've heard lots of good things about Kelty Redwings but haven't bought one myself. I currently use a Northface Recon but it's a little small for me.

Search through the post history of this subreddit and you will find lists of everything you need.

These prepackaged BOBs are nothing more than cheap gimmicks. They use the cheapest products to fill them and leave out a lot of essentials, usually.

I used baby oil for chafing. It worked pretty well, and I use it before swimming/getting wet so I don't need a shower afterwards.

And as far as a light back pack, I used this one it worked fairly decently at keeping the contents relatively dry during a rain storm. And it dried quickly afterward.

Yes! What you do is get a frame back pack with just the frame, put the gravel in a burlap sack, and strap the sack to the pack using either bungee cords or paracord. Something like this is ideal https://www.amazon.com/Stansport-Deluxe-Freighter-Aluminum-Frame/dp/B001RL5PHY

Personally, I'd recommend a Kelty Trekker 65. I use one, it's incredibly adjustable. I'm bigger and wider than you are and it fit me fine once I moved the shoulder straps out. Everything fits inside or straps on the frame easily.

The only problem is it has more space than stuff I need to bring and I want to fill it up. Also no pockets on the hip belt, so you have to wear shorts/pants with pockets.

I have the same daypack, the Sea To Summit Ultrasil Day Pack, and it's fantastic. I'm actually on my second one because I wore the first one out.

I got this one and it works great. Doesn't ride as low as it looks on the pics. Use it on the bike and motorcycle. Lots of pockets.

Only downside is it won't work if you need one that's sweat proof.

Cheap, strong, big enough.

http://www.amazon.com/TETON-Sports-Explorer4000-Internal-Backpack/dp/B002XF8106

I have a Kelty Redwing 44. I used it carry-on for a 10 day trip to Israel. I've since trimmed down to a 30L duffle. It works for every stateside carry on I've used it for, but some smaller planes require finesse to fit it in the overhead depending on how you pack it.

https://www.amazon.com/dp/B00AATRU8G/ref=asc_df_B00AATRU8G5062254/?tag=hyprod-20&creative=394997&creativeASIN=B00AATRU8G&linkCode=df0&hvadid=198093803401&hvpos=1o1&hvnetw=g&hvrand=251913699096506869&hvpone=&hvptwo=&hvqmt=&hvdev=m&hvdvcmdl=&hvlocint=&hvlocphy=9011664&hvtargid=pla-348947230764

I've got one of these. Haven't used it much yet, but it seems to be well made.

Edit: Since mine's not available now, this one looks to be virtually identical. And if you want name brand, the Osprey Ultralight is similar.

OK - take a look at the Kelty Redwing. They make quality stuff and a buncha different sizes

hey thanks. There are a couple of Redwing 44s on Amazon right now. One is 125 bucks but there there's this one. It's $85. Is it an older model? Is it authentic, do you think?

I've had a couple of 'Joel' bags in the past, both from Amazon, but one seems to be no longer available or doesn't ship to the US depending where you look, and the other - which is in the photo - has shot up in price (I think it was about £20-30 when I bought it)! They're both great bags, the Gootium bag is waaay bigger than the Augur, and mine have been through hell and are still going strong, they've never let me down!

• My first 'Joel' bag (not seen) - https://www.amazon.co.uk/Backpack-P-KU-VDSL-Vintage-Rucksack-Daypacks/dp/B00NYPWSGC/ref=asc_df_B01MT8RQY2/?tag=googshopuk-21&linkCode=df0&hvadid=344276363278&hvpos=1o1&hvnetw=g&hvrand=7067657052427482563&hvpone=&hvptwo=&hvqmt=&hvdev=m&hvdvcmdl=&hvlocint=&hvlocphy=1007064&hvtargid=aud-544645955450%3Apla-304074838503&psc=1&th=1
  
• My second 'Joel' bag (seen in the picture) - https://www.amazon.co.uk/dp/B00AV4Y0IS/ref=cm_sw_r_cp_api_i_9PFlDb1E6BWCA

Strap to a frame like

https://www.amazon.com/Stansport-Deluxe-Freighter-Aluminum-Frame/dp/B001RL5PHY/

I did one like this so I could fold it up and keep it in my jacket until needed

Gonex 30L Lightweight Packable Backpack Handy Travel Daypack https://www.amazon.com/dp/B0116Z6F7E/ref=cm_sw_r_cp_api_i_lopqDbW3RDAQZ

I am looking into getting a farpoint 40 for my first main pack.

I have just bought the sea to summit pack today, waiting for it to arrive, could be worth a looking. 20l.

Was the aim of getting the farpoint so it can travel with you as a carry on [thats why im thinking of getting it]

It's on Amazon for $40

https://www.amazon.com/Gootium-21101AMG-Specially-Backpack-Rucksack/dp/B00AV4Y0IS/ref=sr_1_4?ie=UTF8&qid=1519314124&sr=8-4&keywords=gootium+backpack

I had been looking at this Teton pack: https://www.amazon.com/Sports-Explorer-Internal-Backpack-Backpacking/dp/B01JYY7M5S/ref=sr_1_fkmr0_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1485142359&sr=8-1-fkmr0&keywords=teton+hiker+3700

I'l have to compare the two and see what the differences are

Just a link for all, $90 new on Amazon

Cheap, similar quality when compared to rucksack offerings at my local army/navy store

http://www.amazon.com/Otium-21101AMG-Large-Canvas-Backpack/dp/B00AV4Y0IS/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1398440269&sr=8-1&keywords=otium

I wouldn't be buying an Arc Haul. I think that my son's pack weighed about 6 oz... ZPack has started to add way too many "features" so the bloat has been extreme.

At 13-14 oz, has anyone had experience with the $20 G4Free?
https://www.amazon.com/G4Free-Lightweight-Resistant-Backpack-foldable/dp/B0151EFBR6/ref=cm_cr_arp_d_product_top?ie=UTF8

Here ya go!

What do people think of these rucksacks?

https://www.amazon.co.uk/dp/B00N2RBTGM/ref=wl_it_dp_o_pC_S_ttl?_encoding=UTF8&colid=3NWTRKE968XSP&coliid=I34DZKELEJSDGB&psc=1

https://www.amazon.co.uk/dp/B01F59P57I/ref=wl_it_dp_o_pC_nS_ttl?_encoding=UTF8&colid=3NWTRKE968XSP&coliid=IEE444AH8K06X&psc=1

https://www.amazon.co.uk/dp/B074DRK824/ref=wl_it_dp_o_pC_S_ttl?_encoding=UTF8&colid=3NWTRKE968XSP&coliid=I3IPDX9FK3ZU58&psc=1

https://www.amazon.co.uk/Loietnt-Backpack-Vintage-Rucksack-Daypacks/dp/B01KAA3T52/ref=sr_1_3?s=shoes&ie=UTF8&qid=1506076846&sr=1-3&nodeID=1769554031&psd=1&keywords=vintage+rucksack

https://www.amazon.co.uk/Gootium-21101AMG-Specially-Backpack-Rucksack/dp/B00AV4Y0IS/ref=pd_sbs_198_2?_encoding=UTF8&psc=1&refRID=0GJCWFFJ6N179ZZP2CTP

https://www.amazon.co.uk/Backpack-P-KU-VDSL-Rucksack-Shoulder-Traveling/dp/B00NYNPB2M/ref=pd_sbs_198_1?_encoding=UTF8&psc=1&refRID=0GJCWFFJ6N179ZZP2CTP

https://www.amazon.com/Gootium-21101AMG-Specially-Backpack-Rucksack/dp/B00AV4Y0IS/ref=sr_1_17?ie=UTF8&qid=1522270490&sr=8-17&keywords=rucksack+backpack

Color isn't perfect and has a few more pockets but it's fairly close.

If i have to shoot in the dark: https://www.amazon.com/G4Free-Lightweight-Resistant-Backpack-Foldable/dp/B0151EFBR6/


at least you wont be out much when its wrong for your use. You can get that and some good insulation for a hammock for the price of the osprey. Hammock gear phoenix economy and a z pad. or something.