Reddit mentions: The best pc game flight controls

Here's my list. I just bought my Vive a few days ago, so some suggestions aren't things I have but haven't yet tried.

Games I've played and recommend:

• Project Cars: $10.19 through the Humble Bundle store, and the cheapest it's ever gone was $9.89, so it's at a pretty good deal right now. Do yourself a favor and buy yourself a Logitech Driving Force GT, which can be found for roughly $50-$100 on Craig's List. The experience with a wheel is insane!
  
• Distance: $9.99 on the Humble Bundle store, so 50% off. Amazing gameplay, crazy physics, evolving landscapes and flexible gameplay, supports multiplayer. It's early access but is from a proven developer and it's already very far along. Plays with a standard controller.
  
• Elite Dangerous: If you're into space sims, this is the one to get. With a Vive, it's nothing short of amazing. Again, get yourself a HOTAS. I'd recommend the Saitek X52 Pro because Elite Dangerous modeled the controls visible in the cockpit after them, but the standard X-52 is also fine and can be found on Craig's List for $50-$100. Both have pre-defined profiles within ED and don't require much (if any) settings modification. Some recommend the Thrustmaster Warthog but it's $400 dollars and doesn't support 3rd-axis twist. Go with the Saitek.
  
• Bazaar: $1.99, so 60% off on the Humble Bundle store right now. Odd, mysterious, low-poly style.
  
• Manastorm: Champions of G'nar: $4.99 on the Humble Bundle store. It's basically Magic: The Gathering or Hearthstone in VR, where your spells summon creatures on the battlefield shooting spells require you to actually aim to be effective. Early access, so no deckbuilding or multiplayer yet, but a fun tech demo. I really hope they finish it as it's very well done.
  
• Soundboxing: $7.99, though it's been as cheap as $4.79. DDR meets Guitar Hero in 3D with YouTube videos and dancing robots. It's just as glorious as it sounds, and can be a great workout.
  
• Castle Must Be Mine: $6.99. Tower Defense like Kingdom Rush, but you're leaning over/through the table/battlefield. I really like this implementation of tower defense and I'm looking forward to more games like this.
  
• Kindled Cavern: $4.49, 10% off. Low-poly cave exploration from a fellow Redditor.
  
• Poly Runner VR: Free, endless runner (flier) in a low-poly art style. Gameplay is so-so, but it's kind of pretty.
  
• InMind and InCell: Both free. First designed for Google Cardboard, and great examples of what could be done with the platform. Gameplay is mostly linear and interaction is done by staring directly at things. Very good production quality. InMind shrinks you down to the size of a molecule and sends you to zap neurons that are making a patient depressed. InCell is zapping a virus from inside a cell. InMind works quite well. InCell may have bugs but it might be my system.
  
• LightBlade VR: $3.99 lightsaber game. Kinda lame, but also kinda fun. May or may not be worth $4.
  
• Skeet: VR Target Shooting: Free. Basic target shooting. Kinda lame but kinda fun, and it's free. One reviewer said it was a good way to introduce non-gamers/techies to VR.
  
• The Lab: Free. Sort of a comprehensive tech demo in the Portal universe.
  
• Accounting: Free. Note: this game has nothing to do with accounting and is absolutely not work safe. This is some weird shit, yo.
  
  Games I've bought/downloaded but haven't yet played:
  
  
• Gnomes & Goblins: Free. Another interactive tech demo, but looks amazing.
  
• The Night Cafe: Free. Another interactive experience, based on the works of Vincent Van Gogh.
  
• PolyDome: Free. A musically-themed tech demo.
  
• The Price of Freedom: Free. A story about the CIA's MK Ultra. As such, it's probably very creepy.
  
• Quanero VR: Free. An interactive experience that reminds me a bit of Infamous.
  
• Senza Peso: Free. A visually-stunning presentation.
  
• VRchaeology: Free. Archaeology in VR. Looks excellent, but I haven't been able to try it yet because my house's VR area isn't large enough. I'll try it out at my office sometime soon.
  
• VR Sailing: Free. Visually, it appears more visually impressive than VR Regatta, but I think VR Regatta might have the edge on gameplay. VR Sailing is free whereas VR Regatta is $5.99.
  
• Lazerbait: Free. Like a VR version of Auralux, (a game by another fellow Redditor), but is actually based on an older game called Galcon. I haven't played it yet but it looks good.
  
• Nevermind: $4.99 on the Humble Bundle store, so 75% off. A psychological horror game that claims to increase your stress while playing by using your webcam. Dunno how realistic that claim is, but it's a cool idea. I've heard good things about it before.
  
• Yon Paradox: $0.89 - hard to go wrong at that price. The Steam review says the VR is problematic, but I mostly bought it because of cheap prices and pretty colors. If it sucks, it was under a dollar.
  
• VRNinja: $6.99 on the Humble Bundle store, so 30% off. Duck, squat, and move out of the way of projectiles thrown by hidden Ninjas in beautiful scenes. Currently at the cheapest price it's been, but it's only 30% off the normal price of $9.99 so not a big deal if you miss it.
  
• Legend of Dungeon: $3.29, so 67% off. It's been as cheap as $1.99 before. Cute, retro/8-bit theme, but that's extruded in 3D and has AMAZING lighting. Cheap, beautiful, and pretty fun/neat looking gameplay.
  
• Catlateral Damage: $4.99 on the Humble Bundle store, so 50% off. You're a cat knocking stuff off shelves in first-person because your owner isn't paying enough attention to you. Yes, really. Stupid, silly, but looks fun.
  
• Child of Ault: $9.99. Described as a tower defense/shooter hybrid. Very polished. I haven't played it yet, but it looks very good.
  
• Holoball: $7.49, so 50% off. Pure, glorious, 80s 3D pong. Looked fun.
  
• I Hate Santa: $2.69, so 10% off. Cheap, so hard to go wrong. Hit waves of Christmas-themed enemies with snowballs. Looked stupid, silly, and fun. Haven't tried it yet.
  
• Portal Stories: VR: Free, 8 tests in the Portal 2 engine in VR, so requires Portal 2. Haven't played, looked nice.
  
• Rec Room: Free. Online multiplayer arcade-style games like Mini golf, air hockey, paintball, Cards Against Humanity, etc. Has a very Nintendo Wii feel to it. Haven't tried it yet but it looked nice.
  
• Acan's Call: Free. Dungeon hack 'n slash. Looks fun.
  
• Gorn: Free. Utterly ridiculous arena gladiator fighting. Be extra cautious with walls and nearby people in the real world: people have broken their controllers playing this game.
  
• DCS World: "Free", but you have to buy the vehicles, which range from $10-$60 each. I'm told this is the end-all, be-all of military simulation, but I can't vouch for that yet.
  
• DreamLand: Free. Looks visually incredible, but some people have reported functionality issues.
  
• Goalkeep VR: $3.99. Haven't tried it yet but I bought it because one reviewer said "Simple. Fun. I'm a retired hockey goalie. When on "Bullet" mode it felt like I was playing again."
  
• Spell Fighter VR: Free. Dungeon hack n' slash with spells. Looks interesting.
  
• Surge: Free. Supposedly an amazing music video. Haven't tied it yet.
  
• Trials on Tattooine: Free. Basically a mini Star Wars shooter/lightsaber experience. Might be a better (and cheaper) alternative to Lightblade VR, but I haven't tried it yet so I don't know.
  
• VR Multigames: Free. A small collection of minigames: archery, lightsaber and blaster, goalkeeper, etc. Looked fun, haven't tried it yet.
  
• Waltz of the Wizard: A tech demo that's visuall impressive.
  
  I've run out of room and have a bit more, so will continue this in a second comment.
  
  Edit: fixed some bad links. Sorry!

>What do I need in a computer/hardware to run this game optimally

Broadly speaking- A 4th Gen Intel i5 or better for the CPU. GTX 1060 or better for your Graphics. 16GB of RAM, and a Solid State Drive for storing the game on. DCS has some long loading times, and the SSD will cut them down as much as possible. For VR, the Graphics Card will manage but I recommend a GTX 1070 or above.

One problem you'll have getting a gaming PC right now is that RAM and Graphics Cards are both in short supply and supply. As such their prices have gone up quite a bit. Graphics cards doubling in price in some cases. While I would typically recommend building your own PC due to price and quality reasons, a prebuilt PC may actually be cheaper now. Make sure you ask around, both with your friend and on here before you buy one. We'll set you straight.


> I also am considering going VR with Rift for full immersion, would that require addition components and is it worth it?

Personally I think VR is absolutely worth it. I've had my Oculus Rift for nearly a year now and have put a few hundred hours into DCS with it. You can usually demo VR units in places like Fry's Electronics or other such shops. Sometimes even Best Buy. Give it a try some time. VR will come with everything you need out of the box. Except the Computer, of course.

>Any helpful input is much appreciated.

As far as other stuff, you'll need a Flight Stick and Throttle (HOTAS). I typically recommend the Thrustmaster T.16000M as a starter all-round HOTAS. It's built well, has a lot of buttons, and is precise. You could get something lower-end, but I wouldn't recommend it. If you have something particular you want to fly, other HOTAS sets might be better suited, but the T.16000M will do anything well.

Pedals are helpful but not really something I would urge you get unless you're planning on flying Helicopters. Especially the Huey. You need a good Rudder input to tame it. If I had to recommend a set for the average user it'd probably be the CH Pro Pedals Get them used though. Trust me when I say this- CH kit are built like tanks. Get them second hand from a good Ebay seller and pocket the extra cash.

If you end up deciding to go without VR, then you will need a headtracker of some sort. They work by using a camera and some software to track the position of some Infrared LEDs attached to a hat or headset, then translate that into an input in game. This lets you look around your cockpit. That may not sound like much but it's a game changer. The official product is called TrackIR5. I don't recommend you get this. While it is the easiest to set up and is perfectly good quality, it is vastly overpriced. Trackhat or Delanclip make good products. Pair that with this camera and you're good to go.

I know that's a lot of info but DCS can be a little daunting to get into, especially if you're not already versed in PC gaming. Hopefully this helped and if you have any questions feel free to PM me :)

I was skeptical but hopeful for years, until I saw Hurston and Lorville get released, and I finally jumped in both-feet during the end of the last Anniversary sale. Player-generated clips like this one and this one definitely helped convince me... I mean look at that, it's all actually there in the game, nothing is a backdrop only for viewing from that spot on some map, that sun isn't rising, the earth-sized planet you are on is spinning in space.

My biggest suggestion: get a proper HOTAS, or at least a stick with a throttle on it and some good base-area buttons - I use an old Saitek X-52 that interestingly enough is being re-released in a few weeks. There are some serious mil-sim level ones out there too. The T-Flight Hotas X and T16000M are popular for the budget-minded (although Star Citizen will rapidly change your mind about what "sensible expenditure" in a game means lol). Get a used one if you want a killer one but can't afford new (seriously though, $60 man, very worth it), but it's a huge help not having to go to keyboard commands for anything flight-related, including targeting, countermeasures, scanners, thruster controls, etc. When hopping out of your flight seat (either to do something in your ship or get out of it entirely), just have the mouse and keyboard positioned to either side of the flight stick, easy. You'll use the mouse in the cockpit a fair bit too, to interact with the MFDs sometimes for things like requesting landing clearance, changing MFD functions, overclocking components on the ship, etc,. It's the most immersive sci-fi flight/FPS/society game I've ever seen.

I'd highly recommend to get in as soon as they announce Update 3.5, adding the entirely new planet ArcCorp, its main landing area for spaceships Area 18, several moons, and the long-awaited new flight model, go Public Live in a few more days. Fly your starter ship (I recommend the Avenger Stalker starter ship or the Cutlass Black package for the bit of cargo space you get, helps make a little money and can still fight ), enjoy a bit of mission running, exploration etc, and learn the world, and when the next massive Anniversary Sale comes around in November you'll know what ships you really want and can make informed decisions, as the sales they have at that time are awesome.

Whatever starter package you get, it'll need to be a "Game Package" that includes the base game as well, and after that one-time buy you just buy standalone ships or packages if you want to pay real money, or you can buy many of them in-game for game-money (UEC) if you make enough (many good ones are millions of UEC). The advantage of paying real money is that they will be with you forever - as they make major updates CIG usually resets all accounts to starter levels again, and you lose anything you earned in that version of Alpha - but you also have many advantages in Alpha that will not be present in the final game so still worth it to buy cheaper ships in-game IMO.

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The higher-end ones tend to be what's called a H.O.T.A.S (Hands On Throttle And Stick). essentially this is a packaged deal with a joystick and throttle quadrant, and is useful for not having to take your eyes (or hands) off the throttle and stick while flying. Some of these can be expensive like the Thrustmaster Warthog, considered the high end of the sticks. The issue with this as well, is it's modeled off a A-10 Warthog's inputs, so you'll also need to get rudder pedals as well since there is no Z-axis twist on the stick.
For more budget options, I have heard really great things about the T-16000 M. You can also buy the stick and throttle separately if you dont have the cash for both right now.

Another company is VKB, a Russian company but uses magnetic "MARS" sensors. I actually use their Black Mamba and love it, however the item has since been discontinued and the company itself is hard to get hold of. They currently have affordable sticks modeled on the German KG12 - flight stick used in BF109's and FW 190's (although no throttle quadrant with it). Available on Amazon its called Gladiator

Saitek makes several sticks, however they're in a transitioning period. They were just bought-out by Logitech and some people have complained about quality issues with their newer sticks and lack of customer support, so I'd only recommend them if you can get a great deal on a stick on sale, or possibly a used one for cheap. Their models are the X52 Pro, X-55, and X-65. I had the 52 Pro and never had any issues, but its one of those buy beware moments with them right now.

And then there's really affordable sticks that work fine too, such as the logitech extreme 3d pro and Thrustmaster T-Flight X. These are reliable sticks that lack some of the fancy things like buttons and dials for radiator management for example. I know guys who fly using these and love it.

Another thing that is highly recommended to get, but is not required to play the game, is called a Track IR. If you watch in my video, I'm swiveling my head back and forth to check my 6, and make sure theres no enemy aircraft diving on us. I'm not using the mouse, or any input to look around, rather I have a clip on my headset that uses IR sensors to turn my head in game without having to take my hands off the HOTAS. Here's a video of how it works. Again, not necessary to buy, but one of those things to hope to get down the road. There are free alternatives called Freetrack which uses a webcam, I think. I havent messed with that but I know a few guys who do use it and are happy with it.

I think thats a fairly decent summary. Feel free to PM with any questions, or check out our group's forums if you'd like to do some more research
http://aircombatgroup.co.uk/forum/index.php

You can also check out r/hotas which is a great community dealing with news, special offers, user reviews, etc

Cheers!

"BEST" probably the THrustmaster warthog Hotas, but also the most expensive (I just bought the joystick alone for 270 to use in my HOSAS setup, can't wait till it delivers on friday)

"best VALUE" probably the thrustmaster 16000m combo. The thrustmaster stuff seems to be the only sticks that use the "HALLS" system, and between that and regular sticks, the difference is night and day (i've compared it to CH flightsticks, microsoft, and logitech stuff...)

My suggestion is to consider HOSAS as well (hands on stick and stick), as I enjoy the number of analog degrees of freedom a joystick for the left hand provides. (16000m can be modified for the left hand, the warthog joystick, and many others, are right hand only.

As for VR, SC isn't really there yet, but I have a vive and know it's awesome. The recent price drops on the oculus are going to drive a lot of people their direction, but I don't regret buying the Vive in the least, and might still do it if I were buying today (but to be fair, i hate facebook).

as for touchscreens, there's some apps for android tablets that allow you to use them as "additional screens" which have game controls on them. It's like bringing one of the in game ship control panels into real life. They're super neat, but I don't actually use them, so I don't have a solid recommendation. Check out the Roccat Powergrid.

I'm assuming you have a T.Flight HOTAS X, which is what I used to use. It's a good HOTAS for the simpler planes like the SU-25T, but you're going to have to get good at using modifiers, or make some concessions.

I'd highly recommend rebinding the slew controls for the TV to the 8 way you're using for trim, or create a modifier for it. DCS was not designed for large amounts of keyboard use, using the keyboard to move all your sensors is not advised.

"I feel like controls could be a bit simpler"

The SU-25 is really as simple as it gets, the aircraft is not fully modelled. The full fidelity modules have the whole cockpit modelled, so all the switches and stuff actually work. I don't want to sound like a "gate keeper", more people getting into DCS is always a good thing, but DCS isn't easy, you need to know what you're in for. It's going to take a lot of time, you're not going to be good in a week, or even a month. Practise practise practise.

You don't specifically need a really good HOTAS for DCS, but it really helps. As waffle also said, don't put your keyboard behind your screen if you need to use it. If you want a good HOTAS recommendation the T.16000M is very good, I own pretty much all the modules, and it's been perfect for all of them.

https://www.amazon.com.au/Thrustmaster-T-16000M-FCS-HOTAS-Controller/dp/B01KCHPRXA

1. You should note the dates on those reviews. The content currently making up Horizons was released over a period of 3 years (2016-2018), so reviews early on in that time will not be reflective of the current reality.
   
   As for what Horizons gets you, here is a list
   
   
   

• Planetary landing - Allows you to land on airless planets and drive around on them in a buggy (Surface Reconnaissance Vehicle, or SRV) . This is semi-relevant from the start, as it gives you access to missions with planetary bases as destinations, but not much of a loss.
  
• Engineers - These guys will modify/improve your ship's modules for increased/different performance. Not relevant early-mid game until you get into ships you'll want to spend the time/resources engineering as you'll be keeping them long-term. This is also pretty much mandatory for PVP.
  
• Ship-launched fighters - Allows certain ships to equip a fighter hanger and launch a small, NPC-piloted parasite fighter to provide additional firepower. The smallest ship that can equip said hangar is the Keelback, which is a "Combat Freighter" that costs 2.5m credits. It has a typical 2 medium/2 small weapons loadout, middling shields, good armour, and horrible manoeuvrability, but the fighter allows it to punch far above its weight class. Without said fighter, the ship is pretty pointless. The next ship above that that can use one is the Federal Gunship, a 35m credit heavy combat ship that requires naval rank (which requires significant grinding), the Krait MkII, a medium multipurpose ship similar to the Python, but more combat oriented, and the Alliance Crusader, a variant of the Chieftain (see below). From there, all the others are big ships that cost north of 100m credits, and two of those require naval ranks. My fighter writeup has additional information on this subject.
  
• Multi-crew - This allows you to have multiple human players controlling a single ship, with the extra people either controlling turrets or flying the above fighters. This is the most early-game relevant thing, as it would allow you to join the crew of a more experienced player with a larger ship to learn from them. However, this feature is not much used.
  
• The Dolphin and Beluga passenger liners - These are smaller and larger versions of Saud Kruger's Orca passenger liner which is available in the base game. These three ships are the only ones in the game that are able to equip Luxury-class passenger cabins that are required for some passenger missions. The Dolphin can be relevant fairly early game if you are interested in doing such missions, as the ship only costs just under 1m credits (as opposed to the Orca, which is almost 50m). But if you aren't interested in doing passenger missions, they are mostly irrelevant, though the Beluga has been used by some as a non-traditional exploration ship. Its extremely large fuel tank allows very long periods between refuelling, allowing for long stints of neutron boosting.
  
• The Alliance Chieftain - A mid-range medium fighter created through a partnership between The Alliance and Lakon Spaceways. Lorewise, it's designed for Thargoid combat and as such has quite a strong hull for its class.
  
• The Alliance Challenger - A Chieftain variant with different weapons, more armour, and more shields, though not quite as manoeuvrable.
  
• The Alliance Crusader - Another Chieftain variant that trades out a hardpoint for a fighter hangar.
  
• The Krait MkII - A medium multirole ship made by Faulcon DeLacy and inspired by the Krait Lightspeeder from previous Elite games. Similar to the Python, but more combat oriented, with ship launched fighter capability. Also features a unique underslung cockpit that gives excellent views, including of the pair of medium hardpoints flanking it, making it one of the few ships that allow you to see your weapons deploying and shooting.
  
• The Krait Phantom - New in 3.3, this Krait variant trades out the fighter capability for greater speed and manoeuvrability.
  
• The Mamba - New in 3.3, this race-inspired high-end medium combat ship from Zorgon
  Peterson provides some competition to the Fer-de-Lance with heavier weapons (1H2L2S) and higher speeds, though it isn't quite as good in the turns.
  
• Thargoid planetary stuff - Horizons is required to access AX and Guardian weaponry, which is needed for fighting thargoid interceptors. Scouts can be taken on with conventional weaponry, though not as effectively as with the AX and Guardians stuff.
  
• Tech Brokers - These guys offer new and experimental tech, both of human and Guardian origin. Weapons, FSD boosters, Guardian-inspired ship launched fighters, etc.
  
• Materials traders - These guys will let you trade out engineering materials, so you can swap out what you don't need for what you do.
  
  In total, I would strongly recommend getting Horizons.
  
  On the controller matter, the basic controlelr will work fine. I (playing on PC) personally find a HOTAS to be more immersive, but the basics are fine for play. If you do opt for a stick, there is only one worthwhile HOTAS for Xbox , which is the Thrustmaster HOTAS One. It's a Xbox-compatible clone of their HOTAS 4 (which is its equivalent for PS4), which is basically the PC/PS3 HOTAS X with upgraded internal hardware. There's a second "option" in the HORI Ace Combat 7 HOTAS, but it is apparently utter garbage.
  
  As for grind, you never need to travel across the milky way. Almost the entirety of civilization is concentrated in "the Bubble", which is a 500-ish lightyear sphere around the Sol system (where Earth is). Outside the Colonia region (a second smaller Bubble about 21000ly from Sol near the galactic core) and a handful of scattered deep space outposts, the vast majority of the galaxy is unexplored emptiness. Travelling to the far edge of the galaxy is basically one of the game's go-climb-Everest activities. There's no inherent point to it, except if it's something you want to do. I'm personally on my way back from such a journey.
  
  That said, travelling can be a bit of a time drain within the Bubble. Certain ships, particularly ones oriented towards combat, have short jump ranges, meaning that travelling across the Bubble can take tens of jumps. Though with engineering (which I mentioned above in the Horizons features) and the right modules, this can be alleviated greatly.
  
  As for grind, much of the grind has been alleviated. Methods of making money are far faster than they used to be, with it being totally achievable to make over a hundred million credits per hour. There are still "grindable" things like the naval ranks, but it's not necessary to do that.
  
  As for game activities, this graphic gives a fair rundown of what there is in this game. The game is basically a really huge sandbox game. There's not much in-game guiding you into most activities, so you really need outside resources, like the official forums, this subreddit and related ones and other sites and communities, like Inara and discords.

First thing I will tell you off the bat, get something that's in your budget.

Second... let's talk about what type of setup you want...


HANDS ON THROTTLE AND STICK
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HOTAS
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You have multiple options, starting with the Thrustmaster HOTAS-X.


At around $50, it gives a satisfying first hotas experience.

Moving up the ladder, you get to the T16000M and it's FCS pack.

If you are lucky, you can get this pack on sale for as low as $89.99 on Amazon, and it offers a great package with plenty of toggles and buttons to fully accommodate E:D's controls. You can even add pedals later on down the line, or pick them up as part of one big package.

Further up the price ladder is the X52 suite of controls. Two options are available, in the flavors of the X52 FCS at around $150 and the X52 PRO at around $200. The differences between the two are less pronounced than the jump from the HOTAS-X to the T16000, but it has some "nice" features for scripting and supposedly higher quality components.

Granted, even after Logitech purchased Saitek, the build quality on these former Saitek sticks is ... so-so.


Another great option is CH's products.

Throttle.

Stick.

CH PRO PEDALS

Despite other offerings in the HOTAS world between the X52 Pro, and CH offerings and higher caliber offerings - ignore them.

The X-55 and X-56 are MESSES when it comes to build quality, and it's a crapshoot if you get one that will last.

Your next HOTAS offering is going to be the Thrustmaster Warthog - but you will absolutely need pedals. Which means you're looking at offerings from CH, like the CH PRO PEDALS.

And if you get the warthog, I HIGHLY recommend you use Aussiedroid's scripts and bindings. They are intuitive and utilize the entirety of the throttle and stick.

If it's in your budget, I recommend getting MFG Crosswinds.

Also, VKB makes some T-rudder design pedals that work well.

VKB T-Rudders

However, before anyone tells you differently, or says pedals are shit for yaw. I AGREE, DON'T USE THEM TO YAW. Put yaw on your stick left and right, pitch up and down, and ROLL on your pedals. Right pedal forward, roll right, and left pedal forward roll left. Anyone who does it differently is crippling themselves, especially in PVP. This is a space sim, we don't have to fly space ships like we do aircraft. ROLL ON PEDALS, I'LL SAY IT AGAIN.

Past this point you have offerings from VirPil and VKB, both of which make the best of the best products. They both have better gimbal designs, and stick designs, and come in around $400 for a stick. However, there is no throttle currently, as of this moment, produced by either.


Alternative Setups
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HANDS ON STICK AND STICK
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HOSAS
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One way of side stepping the pedals situation is running dual-sticks, or hands on stick and stick. This has a slightly higher initial cost than most of the cheaper HOTAS options, but also negates the needs for pedals. The caveat being you need sticks that can be used in both left and right hands.


But thankfully, Thrustmaster has you covered. They offer the T16000M in a dual-stick package. Or you can purchase them separately.


You can also buy two separate Warthog sticks, at around $200 each, and get Okona (/u/cavortingwebeasties) over at dualsticks.com to convert one over.

VirPil's Mongoose can be setup for ambi use, and VKB will be announcing a left handed Gunfighter grip at SOME point. VKB Gunfighter can be found here.

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          Here's my setup, for good measure.
          

As many people have mentioned, Star Citizen is still an in-development title, and there are lots of bugs and will likely continue to be lots of bugs for quite a while.

That being said, there are lots of people who are OK with this and are able to enjoy themselves, some fall on the other end of the spectrum and get really frustrated so it's worth keeping in mind that there is a 14 day refund policy. If you or he decides you aren't satisfied with your purchase, you can submit for a refund at any time in that 14 day window.

If you're still with us and you want to go ahead and buy him something, here's four strong options for you to consider:

1) Buy the Mustang Alpha Starter Package for $45 - https://robertsspaceindustries.com/pledge/Packages/Mustang-Alpha-Starter-Pack

2) Buy the Mustang Alpha Starter Package for $45 - https://robertsspaceindustries.com/pledge/Packages/Mustang-Alpha-Starter-Pack

Then upgrade it to an Avenger Titan using this $20 CCU (Cross Chassis Upgrade is an item that you will find in your hangar on the website after purchase and can then apply it to the Mustang Alpha to convert it into an Avenger Titan) - https://robertsspaceindustries.com/pledge/Upgrades/Mustang-Alpha-To-Avenger-Titan-Upgrade

Most players in Star Citizen have owned at one point, or currently own an Avenger because it is incredibly versatile for its price allowing you to do both combat and hauling stuff while not being paper thin. It's also the one I'd recommend the most for him. He can always use the CCU system to upgrade his ship to something else later once he has a better idea of what he wants to do.

3) If he's likely to mainly do combat, then perhaps the Arrow would be a good choice $90 - https://robertsspaceindustries.com/pledge/Packages/Anvil-Arrow-Starter-Pack

It will be noticeably more combat capable than the Avenger Titan, but it doesn't have any cargo space. It is a very popular ship right now for combat pilots.

4) If you really want to splurge, then get the Cutlass Black Package $115 - https://robertsspaceindustries.com/pledge/Packages/Cutlass-Black

The Cutlass Black is larger than all the other mentioned ships and it's the first real offering that gives you decent multi-crew features. It has an interior you can walk around in with a couple beds (beds are used for logging off if you're out in space instead of at a station), It has a good sized cargo bay that's great for traders. It has a copilot seat which can be used by a second person to help manage shields etc..

It also comes with a turret for some extra firepower. It has plenty of teeth, and you can't really go wrong with it.

 

If he really ends up liking the game, he should look into picking up some flight hardware (Joysticks etc..). I'd recommend either the t16000m FCS HOTAS $130

Or the dual t16000m setup $115

You can also just buy a single t16000m joystick for around $60 and then buy a second one later. They can be flipped to lefty pretty easily, so don't feel like you need to buy two right away.

In terms of bang for buck, there is no contest compared to these in the budget arena. I personally fly with two sticks, some people prefer the stick plus throttle.

 

In closing, my personal advice would be to buy him the Mustang Alpha ($45) and the CCU to the Avenger Titan ($20), then tell him you'll contribute X dollars towards some flight hardware (Joystick/throttle etc) or further ship CCU's once he knows what he wants.

Best of luck on your decision making!

I’m about 5 months into DCS. I played some flight sims when I was a kid, 20 years ago, in the Jane’s F/A-18 days, but nothing until DCS. I bought the Flaming Cliffs pack of modules and the A-10C and learned to fly the F-15C mostly at first but slowly read through the 600+ page manual for the A-10C and worked through the training missions and a few campaign missions. The F-15C is great because it doesn’t take too long to learn and you can be having fun shooting down AI flankers in a 10 solid hours of learning and start to get into tactics, the A-10C is definitely the most complicated thing I’ve ever learned for fun. I usually spend a good hr working on A-10C avionics training, then reward myself by jumping in the F-15 when I sit down for a session.

If you do jump into something like the A-10C, I’d recommend getting a quality HOTAS with lots of hat switches, trying to learn the intricacies of avionics and remember keyboard shortcuts and button modifiers is a very big complexity multiplier. I started with a cheap stick then bought the Thrustmaster t16000m and Throttle which works great for F-15, but isn’t quite up to the A-10, so I bought the Warthog stick and use it with the throttle from the t16000.

I see someone already mention DCS, but since you mention something to ease in to the world of flight sims, i wouldn't recommend it, at least for now. DCS is as hardocore sim as it gets for civilians.

Then you have FSX, a good compromise between realism/accessibility, though it is kind of a dead game that has no further development.

Another alternative is Take on Helicopters, from Bohemia Interactive, the makers of ARMA.
Decent flight model, lots of mission content that actually puts the flying to use, and comes at a great price. Only downside is it needs a PC with a very good processor to run smoothly.

ARMA3, i suppose is also an alternative, it uses the same flight model, got tons of choppers and has better performance nowadays cause its always being optimized (still needs good CPU though). It´s a military sandbox with much more to do than just flying (infantry, all sorts of vehicles, it's huge) and the flight model has 2 versions, easy, and advances (taken from take on helicopters), the sceneries (maps) are gorgeous and very detailed and i truly enjoy flying in it.

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As for controls; the [new thrustmaster HOTAS] (https://www.amazon.com/Thrustmaster-T-16000M-FCS-HOTAS-Controller/dp/B01KCHPRXA) came out recently, has wonderful reviews. If it´s anything like it's predecessor (which i own), it's unbeatable in price/quality ratio,

I am new to DCS, a long time flight sim nut and working on my pilot's license. I bought many of the planes (A-10C, F/A-18C, FC3 and the F-5E). I could not decide so it was better to buy them all since they were on sale lol! What I found out was the F-18 and the F-5E are the two I enjoy with the F-5E what I am enjoying most. I feel more like I am having to work more to fly it but in a good way. Fun to startup but not excessive, fun to fly and land. I think I actually like that I do not have all of the toys. The aggressors campaign for the F-5E has been fun to learn on since I also bought the Nevada map. The F/A-18C is a weapons platform, but the real joy is taking off and landing on a carrier.

I bought a cheap HOTAS as I just could not fly with the XBOX controller. It know that it is not the Warthog HOTAS (maybe Christmas 2019 now that there is the F/A-18 add-on stick), but for $70, I cannot stress how much better it is without a deep investment. I got a friend in on the game and he got the A-10C because he wants close quarters bombing and strafing runs and he bought the PS4 version of my stick and loving it.

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https://www.amazon.com/Thrustmaster-T-Flight-Hotas-One-xbox/dp/B07643TW2V?th=1

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https://www.amazon.com/Thrustmaster-T-Flight-Hotas-Flight-playstation-4/dp/B015PJ68BK/

Yo my dude. Welcome to Elite.

Question 1: It is honestly up to you how you prefer to play. Do you want the Wild West in multiplayer? Or do you want to just relax and do some space things without being interrupted. I honestly do both depending on the mood im in. Your pilot and assets are implemented into both so honestly it is what you are feeling at the time.

Question 2: You should get it day one. Elite is straight up doo doo without the season pass. It basically adds planetary landing, more ships, engineering, and a ton of other things including all future updates this year. I would say it is basically mandatory.

Question 3: You can but you either have to get Voice Attack and do the free or paid version, which is a seperate add on you can get on steam for 12 bucks.

Also I would recommend picking up a flight stick eventually if you enjoy the game. The experience is so much better than mouse and keyboard. I started off with this .https://www.bestbuy.com/site/logitech-extreme-3d-pro-gaming-joystick-silver-black/5796515.p?skuId=5796515
After about 100 hours I decided to get this flight stick as it was designed with elite in mind and much better built
https://www.amazon.com/Thrustmaster-T-16000M-FCS-HOTAS-Controller/dp/B01KCHPRXA/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1525141604&sr=8-1&keywords=thrustmaster+t16000m

If you need any help with any aspect of the game I would recommend watching CMDR Exigeous videos on youtube as I believe he makes fantastic tutorials for new and advanced players.
https://www.youtube.com/channel/UC0Rwxz4318EEQGHz_z58nVA/playlists

Enjoy your time in Elite my dude.

To truly appreciate the Huey, I'd highly recommend at least a stick and pedals. The Thrustmaster T16000M has the best sensors in its price range and a relatively light centering force, so it would be good for helos. The old Microsoft FFB2 is also good if you can find one. Pedals would also greatly improve the experience; a set such as the Thrustmaster TFRP would suffice. While a throttle is nice, the slider on the base of the stick can function as throttle for the time being.

As for head tracking, the TrackIR5 is pretty pricey. The DelanClip is cheaper, and it has a guide on how to use the free software.

DCS Modules go on sale all the time, so I'd wait until the next one (probably christmas) to pick up Huey.

For me, headtracking and rudder pedals improved my experience tenfold. Even if it takes time, I wouldn't hesitate to purchase them if it is for the happiness and well being of your father.

https://www.amazon.com/Thrustmaster-16000M-Flight-Stick-PC/dp/B004PZIEF4/ref=sr_1_1?s=electronics&ie=UTF8&qid=1481762169&sr=1-1&keywords=Thrustmaster+T-16000M

https://www.amazon.com/Thrustmaster-Flight-Rudder-Pedals-Playstation/dp/B015PII6YI

http://www.delanengineering.com/shop/#!/DelanClip-Gamer/p/43397050/category=0

I bought the Thrustmaster T-Flight Hotas X Flight Stick when I first pledged for this game back in 2013, and then realized it was a long way from being flyable

I kind of forgot about it and used M+KB since the game became playable, but recently I remembered I owned it and have been playing with it almost exclusively for the last few days. I'm no expert with one so this is my first impressions

Its surprisingly not too bad for such a cheap stick, and after a lot of practice I'm not -that- much worse than when using a M+KB. I've nearly got my Old Vanduul lap times down to what they were before, and my dog fighting is about as good as normal. And besides the obvious performance differences, it sure is fun to fly with

I do plan to eventually buy a better one (this is what I'm leaning towards when its in stock), but for now its surprisingly good for how cheap it is, and I would actually recommend it to someone who is really on a budget. It does take time to configure though, I recommend this layout and this curve based on my limited testing and what felt natural to me. Without the proper curve its nearly unplayable. I think the only big difference in control layouts is I swapped the afterburner for IFCS buttons, because with racing I needed it available easily

I also use Voice Attack which I have mapped to a whole bunch of commands. I can show you what I have so far if you are interested but its on my home computer

Hey man, great work for a Xbox controller! Next step is a joystick. If you're looking for some cheap ones that'll do everything you need to, the [Logitech Extreme 3D Pro] (https://www.amazon.com/Logitech-963290-0403-Extreme-Joystick-Windows/dp/B00009OY9U/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1497142979&sr=8-1&keywords=logitech+extreme+3d+pro) is the place to look, it's around $30 to $40 from most retailers, but the price also equates to lower quality, and not a bad experience but one that could be improved upon significantly. The next step up would be a [VKB Gladiator] (https://www.amazon.com/Gladiator-Joystick-Flight-Simulator-Controller-Stick/dp/B01G6GT49O/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1497143033&sr=8-1&keywords=VKB%2BGladiator&th=1). A bit of a jump in price (nearly double, can be had for around $100USD +/-$25), but most reviews say it's stellar and a couple people around this subreddit love it. The $200~ price range after that is a bit iffy, as you get sub-par quality most of the time, but the [Thrustmaster T.1600M HOTAS] (https://www.amazon.com/Thrustmaster-T-16000M-FCS-HOTAS-Controller/dp/B01KCHPRXA/ref=pd_cp_63_2?_encoding=UTF8&pd_rd_i=B01KCHPRXA&pd_rd_r=SX371RPQX69YRDW52JNY&pd_rd_w=8TOqr&pd_rd_wg=NAt9b&psc=1&refRID=SX371RPQX69YRDW52JNY) has kind of alleviated that issue. Most reviews make it out to be excellent for the price. If you've got the change, I think it'd be a great place to start. Other than that there's not much in the $300-$200 price range. In the $500-$400 price range however, there's the one and only [Thrustmaster Warthog HOTAS] (https://www.amazon.com/dp/B00371R8P4/ref=psdc_172487_t5_B01KCHPRXA), which is extremely expensive but modeled after a real A-10C and is of stellar quality. You're going to need rudder pedals if you go that route though, so I'd advise against it as it's got quite a premium to pay.

Glad you're enjoying the hobby, and hopefully you can expand to a stick soon and get even better. No pressure to get one if you're fine with the controller, but it can totally enhance your experience.

1. X-Plane.org This is the link to the XP10 section, but nearly all of them should work fine in XP11
   
   
2. Someone else can answer that
   
   
3. The Thrustmaster T.16000M FCS seems to be what everyone is recommending for an entry level HOTAS
   
   
4. For the base game, that's it really. Fly around. Generally people fly between two airports like in real life. Things get more interesting if you add stuff like FSEconomy or multiplayer like VATSIM, IVAO, or PilotEdge
   
   
5. For X-Plane, I would only really buy plane addons. Nearly all the scenery you will ever need is free on places like the x-plane.org fourm. The only other thing I would recommend is looking at one of the weather addons.
   
   
6. There are many, can't name them off the top of my head
   
   
7. MisterX is the end all be all of freeware scenery
   
   The planes I would recommend are the FlightFactor 767, FlightFactor 757, IXEG 737, Rotate MD80, AirfoilLabs 172SP, Any of the Dreamfoil helicopters, and whichever Carenando planes have the Reality Expansion Packs.

I say my favorite peripheral is one of the most simple. The Thurstmaster Cougar MFD panels. They are NOT actually a display (though some have heavily modded them for simulation games to have an LCD). They do include sturdy clear card sleeves and some blank card stock. There is also a web tool to make your own card stock. I made mine labeled for Star Citizen functions and with a Vanguard in the center.

There are two great features with these. Mostly, they prevent me from having to reach past all my other controls to try and hit Right Alt + M in an emergency. I can map a ton of useful complicated keystrokes or macros and totally forget what Right Alt + M even is! I just look at my MFD and hit the button for Lock Gimbals. Done! Look ahead? I have no idea what that keystroke is either, but I have a clearly labeled button! It's like when we graduated from remembering every phone number to having perpetually updated address books built into all of our phones.

This is the key difference. When you reach up and press the button to toggle Quantum Jump, you look (I imagine) and feel, exactly like Han Solo punching the Millenium Falcon into hyperdrive. If that's not the best thing, I don't know what is. It honestly greatly improves my enjoyment of the game.

The Cougar MFDs come in a pair. I got mine for $65, but they seem to be a bit more expensive now. They are programable with Thrustmaster's Target scripting software. You can use them as simple button presses like I do, or very complicated state switching and scripting macros.

https://www.amazon.com/Thrustmaster-Cougar-Flight-Control-Panels/dp/B002HH9TRY/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1473716710&sr=8-1&keywords=cougar+MFD

Here are my recommendations.

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VR

Keeping your current computer, Oculus Rift is a good option. Light weight, and fits DCS right.

There are a few upcoming VR headsets, but you may have to upgrade your hardware. You can expect an upgrade in another year or later. So, I recommend living with the Rift for an year or 2.

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HOTAS

Thrustmaster HOTAS Warthog is the beast I always recommend. You might need a rudder pedal.

Since you love the су-27, VPC Mongoose T-50 might be your choice. Again, you need a throttle from Warthog and a rudder pedal.

You also have Logitech G X56 and X52 Pro. You don't need a rudder pedal in this case, so you can save a lot. I've personally used them both and moved to the Warthog HOTAS.

Lastly, you have Thrustmaster T.16000M FCS HOTAS, good reviews, best entry level HOTAS.

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Rudders pedals

MFG Crosswind, Slaw Device, Saitek, CH.

> Don't by a plane with complicated systems and tricky/unique flight characteristics if you can't fly an F-15 proficiently. The FC3 planes have simplified systems but most have the same level of flight model. The F-15C and Su-27/33 are 3 of the best air to air planes in the game, so you're not at a disadvantage in that regard, if they were full fidelity they'd probably be even better (more radar modes to work with is one that comes to mind), master these then get the mirage

Thanks I think I'll stick with the FC3 planes mainly the F-15C for now, I heard that Mirage is not ransferable between Steam and Standalone so that might be a problem.

Also Can Steam players play with Standalone players?

> Get a proper hotas before going past the FC3 aircraft

So HOTAS X would be insufficient? I did look at the T16kM do I need the throttle combo? or just the stick? since I see there is what looks like a small throttle slide right there

and what do you think about the VKS Gladiator MkII stick? I've been eyeing it for a while (because I like how it looks, but expensive, I'm probably more likely to get T16K M. )

One last thing, Su-27, the engine won't start, I know the Start up sequence is pretty similar for all FC3 planes, I did the same things I do on the F-15C but the Throttle doesn't respond, there is no engine noise the plane just won' start.

MiG29 did respond to the same start up sequence, (battery>cockpit>engine>Nav lights>flaps)

PS4 Flight Controls

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Keyboard and Mouse support is an issue that’s a lot more nuanced than people may expect. For one thing, you have to point out whether you’re talking about system support or game support. If it’s system support, native console keyboard and mouse support (on the PlayStation side at least) has been around since the PS1, which means that yes, the PS4 does have native keyboard and mouse support. The support issue comes into play with what games support, and really it’s just the fault of developers that most console games don’t have keyboard and mouse support.

A handful of console games have keyboard and mouse support, even some popular ones like Fortnite, Paladins, and Final Fantasy XIV, but most developers just opt not to include it into their console ports. One excuse if seen is that “consoles come with controllers, not keyboards and mice.” The problem with that idea is that it’s not balanced like that when it comes to PC ports, where they’ll have kb+m support and controller support, even though, you know, PCs don’t come with controllers. Another idea is that kb+m support would “give console players an unfair advantage.” However not only does that idea not stem to PC, where you can get an advantage in games by using specialised controllers for racing, flight, and fighting games, but tools like the Xim Apex and Hori Tactical Assault allow people to use keyboard and mouse on consoles, which means that only people who can afford them have that advantage. In that way, allowing universal kb+m support on consoles would actually balance things out by allowing all players to share that advantage, not just the ones who can afford $100+ conversion tools.

Developers tend to show extra love to PC players, and tend to under-support console players. It’s another part of the issue that people seem to view one option as the “better option,” which makes them underestimate or even look down on the “other option.” That’s not the fault of consoles, it’s the fault of people not wanting to treat them like a real gaming platform.

Better than nothing, but a joystick would be the ideal thing. There's a reason if joysticks are used on real planes!

I've had this one for years and it still works basically perfectly despite the hell i put it through. Another really popular and cheap joystick is this one. If you want to search for others, check if they have a rudder axis. The ones i linked allow you to control the rudder by twisting the stick, but some cheapo joysticks don't have that, and trust me, you're gonna need it.

Yes, the game supports wing play, with the maximum wing housing 4 commanders. This is best used while partaking in combat, however wing missions allow you to trade as well. Exploration isn't the best wing activity, however you could journey alongside one another in the same instance.

Controllers are great, however I fully recommend a HOTAS after you've learned the game. The only thing better for E:D than a HOTAS is VR, once you have both the game becomes a truly remarkable experience. I recommend this guy here: https://www.amazon.com/Thrustmaster-T-16000M-FCS-HOTAS-Controller/dp/B01KCHPRXA

Lol, that’s the million dollar question. I’m not sure what your budget is but I seem to think I’ve heard good things about the Thrustmaster T1600 stick and throttle T1600 Amazon. I hope that link works but it looks like the stick and throttle are $129 for the pair and that seems like a good deal to me but I got my setup a few years ago so not sure about the pricing and deals that they have now. My setup is also a Thrustmaster but it’s the Warthog Hotas which is a bit higher on the price scale but I’ve been happy with the brand. I hope this helps a bit.

The TM 16000 HOTAS - I use this for ED - Super awesome for the price. Most HOTAS are overpriced. This one is fantastic for the cost. TONS of buttons and neat features on the throttle you won't see anywhere else! I love the little throttle finger joystick, it makes for perfect lateral and vertical movements to mix with the joystick movements. The X52 will match the in-game model better, but honestly while in VR and doing stuff you're not going to be starring at your joystick and throttle in-game model...like at all. Best budget HOTAS imo.

amazon link - https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B01KCHPRXA/

HOTAS is great and fairly easy to learn, though I heard double joystick is better for control.

I use the Thrustmaster T-16000M HOTAS which I know is pretty popular.

I'm hoping SC will have a preset for this set up at some point, because it becomes way easier to tweak it from a default setup than start completely over (for me).

For reference I've only been using HOTAS for about a month and I'm already 10x better at flying than I was. Also my landing looks way better ;)

I can give a little bit of input here since last November i built a new rig for DCS.

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My specs:

9900k OC to 5.1ghz on all cores

32gig ram

2080ti FTW3

HTC Vive

Thrustmaster warthog stick and throttle

Pedals - https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B015PII6YI/ref=ppx_yo_dt_b_search_asin_title?ie=UTF8&psc=1

Simrig - https://www.volairsim.com/

\^ That simrig was probably the biggest improvement to my experience aside from going to VR. If money is truly no object for you then including that in your plans is a huge bonus.

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In VR i get about 90 80fps with settings turned way up but keep in mind that they are planning a VR overhaul of DCS World soon that should greatly improve performance.

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Hope all that helps! Let me know if you have any questions about my stuff and i would be happy to try to help.

I recently picked up the Thrustmaster T.16000M FCS HOTAS to replace my Thrustmaster T-Flight HOTAS X. I would recommend the T.16000M setup over the T-Flight mostly because the throttle and stick are completely separate, which is easy to appreciate when you've fumbled around with the T-Flight's awkward design when it's separated. The T.16000M also feels a bit more robust and having more buttons/options on the throttle (especially in VR) is a huge plus. All that being said, I spent a lot of hours in Elite with the T-Flight and you can't really go wrong with it. I fondly recall the shit eating grin I had on my face the first time I throttled up and instantly felt more 'connected' with my ship. Cheers.

There aren't a lot of cheap HOTAS options. Some things to consider:

• T-Flight HOTAS X is relatively cheap at $50, but has relatively few buttons to work with and mediocre sensors that can make fine aiming difficult. A lot of people use it and are very happy with it though.
  
• T.16000M FCS is the next step up, and although it's fairly new it seems to be getting a pretty good reception. It's over your budget at $129 though.
  
• Dual joysticks is another totally viable and fun way to play, although it may take a bit more work to find a way to control all thrusters that feels natural (some people use twist for forward/reverse, some add rudder pedals, etc). There are obviously lots of possible combinations, one that works for your budget is a T-16000m combined with a Logitech Extreme 3d pro, for $95 combined.
  
  

The best entry level HOTAS for Elite is (in my opinion) the T16000m setup. I've had that one, an X56, a T.Flight and a logitech flight stick and the 16000m is definitely my favorite. Plenty of buttons, pretty good ergonomics, affordable, and expandable (you can add a second stick and reverse the grips for your other hand as well as rudder peddles, though i don't actually like the ones that match the 16000m). It also has the same HALL sensors as the pro level Warthog flight stick. Elite in VR is awesome by the way

EDIT: you dont actually need a HOTAS for Elite though it is recommended by most people. I played like 300+ hours of Elite on an Xbox one pad. It isn't perfect but it works pretty well considering Elite has console support already so they have put thought into the pad controls. Also you can add a chatpad for extra binds. o7

I never played on the PC, but I have it on the XBOX. honestly, I don't think you'll be missing much. The controls are super solid, and if it doesn't quite fit what you need, you can always tweak it. I've personally never had any issues with it, in fact, I'm still using the default controls.

Also, on PS4, if you REALLY want a HOTAS, you can definitely order some for cheap. I'm debating it myself.

But all in all, the controls are super solid! I wouldn't be very worried.

Also, check out /r/ElitePS for the PS4 player of Elite!

Some "higher end" links for you:

• Ch Throttle -- IMO still the best throttle until VKB/Virpil
  
• MFG Crosswind
  
• VKB
  
• Virpil - great dual stick options here. I liked VKB just a tad more, like the additional button more on VKB. But Virpil has other things going for it too. Like better service!
  
• X56 Lotitech - make sure its the latest version, not saitek crap ... even re-branded saitek to logitech. Logitech recently released an update. QA is a huge issue with X56 range.
  
  Don't use this for E:D Warthog that is my 2c worth. Its maybe looks all metal but has some plastic internals and really is not for space flight sims. Allot of people bitch about the nipple on the throttle. So just my opinion that you should not look at it.
  
  On the lower end:
  
  
• Thrustmaster T 16000 etc. I have no experience with it. But people like it.
  
• X360 controllers etc. some people love it.
  
• Mouse and Keybaord -- PvP players swear by it!
  
  Happy stick hunting, fly safe CMDR o7!
  
  
  
  
  
  
  
  
  
  

I have a Thrustmaster T.16000M FCS HOTAS setup, it's pretty decent and fits into the budget without losing out on too many features.

The throttle and stick are separated so you have the flexibility to position things where you want them. The cheaper HOTAS setups are usually throttle and stick combined with less buttons, if that doesn't bother you then you can save a bit more money.

T.16000M FCS HOTAS on Amazon

You also have the ability to add rudder pedals if you choose to do so but they are a separate purchase.

Good luck and hopefully you find something soon as it's pretty life changing for Elite and many other flight sims.

just you wait. you may be interested in getting a /r/hotas setup to play warthunder (Free+paid DLC), DCS (also Free+paid DLC), elite: dangerous($30), star citizen ($45), mechwarrior 4 (free), star fighter arduxim ($5), or vector 36 ($25). all great games to play with a set up. You can get an entry level one for $60 (Thrustmaster HOTAS 4 is your best bang/buck/skill) The feeling of using a physical throttle and joystick to fly and turn make my greatest experiences in VR.

/u/caulfieldrunner Save up for this. If you can't afford this, just buy one T16000m joystick (got mine for like $35 I think) and use the keyboard for throttle etc. The t16000m is easily the best joystick for the price. A lot of people actually just buy two of the joysticks and play like that. I wanted to have a throttle in case I ever get into a proper flight sim game though. For space games, two joysticks is perfect.

https://www.amazon.com/Thrustmaster-T-16000M-FCS-HOTAS-Controller/dp/B01KCHPRXA

HOTAS... games like Elite and flight sims take on a whole new dimension. Thrustmaster T16000m/TCS is a good entry level bit of kit for $100. Lots recommend T-Flight HOTAS but I don't, it's $50 of squeaky disappointment with very low resale value.

Wheel/pedals/shifter... simracing (truck driving, etc) in VR is fucking awesome, but only with a reasonable driving setup. A used Logitech G27 can be found for $150-$200 and is your best bang/buck ratio maybe used G29/shifter.

Both of these peripherals allow full body transfer once set up and used in games that make proper use of them, and those are experiences with near infinite replay-ability that make some of the best use of VR.

I've had plans for a button box brewing for a while now. I'm still in the planning phase, but I have the tools and sourced most of the parts I want to use. So here are my 0.02$ on the issue:

> To go along with (meaning, can connect with) the most popular HOTAS, which, IIRC, is the old thrustmaster model.

Arduino/Teensy boards just register as a regular old joystick with your PC, and E:D has no problems handling multiple joysticks. There is going to be no problem here. I have no idea how that might work on consoles though, but my guess is: can't be done.

> To completely remove the need for a keyboard

Why? You'd still want to chat or search for systems from time to time.

> To have at least a few "blank" buttons, similar to logitechs g-keys

You are building your own, custom button box. Every button is a blank button if you don't label it. In fact, my plan is to make my box exactly A4 in size, so I can just print my labels on one continuous sheet of paper. That way I can easily change out labels or have entirely different setups for different games.

> 20-35$

That's probably just the cost of your arduino/teensy board including shipping. Double that and you might be able to get some nice buttons and switches. Include some tools that you might still need, some wire and a box to attach everything to, and you are at about 100$. Mind you, this is still super optimistic. Something might break, you change your mind on some of the buttons halfway through, etc. I mean, look at some commercial solutions. The Saitek Farm Sim side Panel is essentially what you want to build, but commercially available. They should get parts on the cheap and they have their production sorted out, right? Yeah, they still have to charge 150$ bucks for that. Cheaper is definitely possible, but 20$? No way.

All in all, a project like this is highly dependent on the individual. What kind of tools/resources do you already have? How much experience do you have with these tools? I don't have a 3D printer, but I have some old MDF boards that I'm gonna saw into size and drill some holes into. But that's not going to be a solution for everybody.

My recommendation: get an arduino/teensy/whatever, follow some tutorials on how to add a button to it and how to set it up so it gets recognized as a controller by your PC. From there, everything else comes naturally. Want to add more buttons? Read up on button matrices. Want a nice box? 3D print something or cut up some cheap plastic/wood.

I knew nothing about them and didn't want to get a super expensive one without ever having used one or played Elite at the time. This is the HOTAS4 from thrustmaster. You can pick up a HOTAS X from them for $10 cheaper but this one works with the PS4 too (not that many games support it but with VR on the way, better safe than sorry). Love it so far, can't really give it any negatives other than that the cable between the two pieces being a bit short but that's where the hobby part kicks in.

I for one don't use the mouse to control my ship. If you have one, use an xbox one controller. But I prefer to use a joystick and throttle. I find that using a joystick makes the game much better. If you are on a budget I found that this works great. If you have the money to spare then this is an amazing HOTAS. Now you can also buy the stick and throttle separately on that second one if you would like. Just some options for you. Good luck.

I can't speak highly enough about the [Thrustmaster FCS] (https://www.amazon.com/Thrustmaster-T-16000M-FCS-HOTAS-Controller/dp/B01KCHPRXA)... Amazon looks to be out of them actually...

The T16000M joystick is one of the best ones out there (and can't be beat at its price point), and it's ambidextrous, so if you want to try dual stick, your already halfway there.

The throttle feels rather nice, and you have easy access to more buttons than you'll know what to do with. There's a good rudder for horizontal strafing, and a little joystick on it that I use fit vertical strafing.

One advantage that I get from a HOTAS vs HOSAS is that it translates well to atmospheric flight games (play some of them as well), so no need for extra peripherals.

I was just reading another thread and decided to buy this just today. I had been looking at the x52 for a while, but it's like double the price of this, and have been hearing bad things about them after being bought out by madcatz.

This Thrustmaster was also designed together with frontier, so I'm guessing it should work pretty well? (will find out Friday) I hear the buttons don't feel as nice, as they're not mechanical except for the trigger, but apparently the sensor accuracy is better. Not really sure which is better better, but just giving you another option.

I'm coming from a T.Flight Hotas X and voice attack, and that's already working great, but I can't find a good way to mount the T.Flight, so looking for an upgrade.

Voice attack is amazing, and I honestly don't think I can go back to not using it. Like someone else said, anything not combat related I don't need buttons anymore, which was a big problem with my T.Flight

Yarr, they are;

Saitek X56 pro.
https://www.amazon.com/Logitech-Saitek-Flight-Rhino-HOTAS/dp/B01LX398IE/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1476827581&sr=8-1&keywords=logitech+g+saitek+x-56+rhino

Basically the thumb analogues were thought to be just... A ridiculously silly gimmick. Until we got our hands on them. They are pointless for flight sim guys, but space sim, holy crap they are just... The world of difference. You can bind the thumb on the right stick to throttle and you literally have dual joystick, the left you have another one. They can be to X, Y, etc anything you want really! Its really neat and they are just... Mind blowingly awesome.

They're pretty awesome... Fine control sticks if you want etc. The problem with HOTAS' is that the throttle is too slow for rapid reaction in space sims, but the throttle is really awesome for slow landings etc still.

Enjoy! Now mod it to make it better!

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Replacement detent - highly recommended

Replacement slew stick

Table mounts

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There are different options for these, but this is what I have. I also got a 10cm stick extension when I bought my MFG Crosswind. Also check out the Thrustmaster MFDs. If you get the MFDs I highly recommend CTS for DCS. There's a bit of a learning curve to get it set up, but once you understand it and are used to it it's wonderful to have intricate profiles for each aircraft without having to develop it yourself. And of course with the MFDs you then have to get a second screen (or screens) to mount them to so you can export the MFDs to them.

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Yeah this is never ending. Welcome to the money pit. :)

As already suggested, that stick is perfect with all the classics arcade space sims: all the title from the X-Wing series, Freespace series, Wing Commander series and also more recent games even if, with the more complex ones, you'll need to be a little more creative with the mapping software/extra input peripherals, since that stick is a bit light on available buttons

If you can expand the budget a bit, this model is more recent, has better sensors and way more control options... better choice IMO, especially since you are considering ED

Absolute must play for me are TIE Fighter (but i've always had a sweet spot for the first X-Wing) and Freespace 1+2 with the FreespaceOpen engine port

~$100 for a hotas, ~$150 for dual sticks. That's entry level with the Thrustmaster T.16000M, it's a good stick that is the best option for a left hand stick and runs ~$75 if you can get it when it's in stock, the stick/throttle combo is ~100.

If you are unsure what you want I'd start with the Hotas and if you decide you want a second stick later on you can either get another T.16000M or buy a better right hand stick and swap the grip for left hand use. Plus that gives you a throttle to use for other games that either don't support or just don't play well with dual sticks.

There is also the potential to use a stick/mouse combo, left hand stick for movement, with a mouse to control aim.

Unless you're rich and just happy to splurge on whatever's the top of the line, just get a cheap one to start with. Most people start with the Thrustmaster T.Flight HOTAS X, which is cheap and plasticky but it has all the buttons you need and works absolutely fine. I have 1000+ hours in E:D and have never felt the need to upgrade from this HOTAS, though I'll probably get something better when it eventually breaks.

If you find you really like the HOTAS experience and feel like you want to dump some money into it, then you can get something like the Thrustmaster T 1600M or the Logitech X52.

And if you really like it and want to go higher end, there are a few options for that. Just be warned that they start to get real expensive.

Congrats! Elite in VR is amazing, I could never play it on a flat screen again.

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As for tips to improve quality, there are in-game supersampling options. I can't give you too much information on that, as I don't have a good enough system to utilize it, but it's there.

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I'd also suggest looking into getting yourself a HOTAS if you really want to enhance the piloting-a-spaceship feel. I bought the Thrustmaster T16000m + throttle and using it with a VR headset is just amazing. Elite even has an in-game controls template specifically for that setup - you can configure it if you want, but I found the defaults to be just fine. I mounted the joystick and throttle to my chair, and combined with VR it really feels like I'm sitting in the cockpit of a spaceship. Can't imagine playing the game without it!

I'm using the Oculus rift and their touch controllers. About 6 months or so before the Rift S was announced they dropped the price to 349 and I picked it up at that. Came with headset, 2 cameras, and the oculus touch controllers. The rift works great though I'd love to try the new one without the cameras and see how that works, because reaching all over the cockpit can sometimes move outside of the camera range if not setup correctly.

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The touch controllers are key. It really helps you interact, get a little tactile feeling (rumble-ish) and grab on to things fitting your hands better in the cockpit unlike the vive controllers which always, in my opinion, felt like controlling stuff with a tv remote control.

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Lastly I did pick up rudder pedals as well and that made a world of difference. ( https://www.amazon.com/Logitech-PRO-Flight-Rudder-Pedals/dp/B01LYPMTPT/ ) Rocking the Logitech G Pedals. Makes controlling the plane so much better.

Is it this one?

If so id actually be very interested in investing in one. The price isnt bad and if its a great as people make it out to be, could definitely be worth it.

I think i'd like to add a keyboard converter to my setup as well. Wouldnt be bad to have the stick, throttle and a keyboard just like the in-game ships do.

Apologies if questions about gear/peripherals aren't allowed.

I'm loving this game but the KBM controllers are starting to get annoying now that I'm playing more frequently again. I'm looking at HOTAS but I'm just not sure what I should be looking for in this kind of controller.

Right now I'm leaning towards the T-1600M throttle/joystick as it fits my budget the best.

I've found multiple sources that say the X52 Pro is one of the best sticks for Elite, although I'm skeptical of the $70 price hike being worth it.

Will the T-1600M work well for playing Elite, or should I save for a little while longer and jump for the X52 Pro?

In case it's relevant, right now I'm predominantly exploring in the game, though I'm hoping to get more into the combat side of things.

It's a cheap(er) HOTAS, it's biggest upside is a lot of inputs, if you're looking for something that will guarantee to last a long time I wouldn't look at a recent Saitek/Madcatz as a first choice. IMO the throttle is a much nicer unit than the stick and worth hanging on to. The stick layout is okay, my only gripe is the shape of the hats, and unless you have large hands it's a stretch from the base resting position to the top switches, if that base was a half-inch or so higher it would be a lot better.

I have one, and I really like it, I've had it for since mid 2014 and I haven't experienced any failures. I guess I'm lucky, but you get what you pay for for things like this. In fairness, Hotasessesse's across the board have much higher failure rates than any other peripheral input device such as mice and simple sticks like a Logitech Attack-3/5. CH and TM products aren't flawless, but they are better built and more consistent, worth spending the money on if you have it.

However, with the changeover in the parent company (MC -> Logitech) I would keep an eye on them. If you need something right-the-f***-now without spending much, a Thrustmaster T1600M FCS kit just came out as TM's answer to a proper budget hotas, and the reviews are good so far. Just keep in mind that it's built to fit a low cost so don't expect a lot of metal.

I just got into this game recently, and have been really enjoying it. I've been looking into getting a HOTAS, and I think I've narrowed it down to two models, but I have concerns about both of them.

The X52 Pro seems quite nice, but I'm a bit concerned about the QA, I've heard a lot of them fail (especially recently with logitech), is there any truth to that?

The other one I've been looking at is the Thrustmaster T.16000M which seems to have really good build quality and an excellent throttle, but I'm a bit worried the joystick doesn't really have enough buttons for elite. Any advice on which way to go (or a different way entirely) would be appreciated!

You can get a brand new Saitek yoke with throttles for less than $200 on Amazon. Goes under the name of Logitech G nowadays since Logitech bought Saitek a while back. So it's definitely not worth $350 used, not even with rudders, which you can get brand new for like $150. You're paying new price for something that's used. If you're buying used, don't spend more than $200 for a complete set.

https://www.amazon.com/Logitech-PRO-Flight-Rudder-Pedals/dp/B01LYPMTPT/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1524675041&sr=8-1&keywords=Logitech+G+Pro+Flight

Other than that, it's a decent yoke. It's not amazing, but it gets the job done.

And also look for CH rudder pedals. They are a little narrow, but they are pretty good. You can get them new for like $100-120, and used for like $50.

https://www.ebay.com/itm/CH-Products-Pro-Pedals-USB-Flight-Simulator-Pedals/292534413435?hash=item441c68e87b:g:djEAAOSw9uNa3Sa3

They also have yokes, but most people seem to prefer Saitek's yoke over CH.

First off, thank you all for the responses. Super helpful, and reassuring :-).

Planning on getting the below linked yoke and peddles.

Is there any point in getting the radio (or something similar) to increase my actual flying skills?

Thanks Again!

Yoke

Peddles

Radio

I use the Thrustmaster Warthog HOTAS and also got a second Warthog Stick for a dual stick setup.

http://www.dell.com/en-us/shop/accessories/apd/a9168831?cid=309562&st=&gclid=CLWYqP6dk9QCFR1LDQodiiAAFw&lid=5848362&VEN1=s7nLQ1cQ4,183457792450,901pdb6671,m,,A9168831&VEN2=,&dgc=ST&DGSeg=DHS&acd=1230980731501410&VEN3=812403894302130950

https://www.amazon.com/dp/B00CBVHJ00/ref=cm_sw_r_cp_api_IJXkzbZ5X9RT3

I also use the VKB Rudder Pedals.

http://store-x-plane-org.3dcartstores.com/VKB-T-Rudder-Pedals-MkIV_p_571.html

As for matching sticks, I am waiting to get the VIRPIL grips since they fit on the Warthog bases.

https://virpil.com/en/filtered/gpips/


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Alternatively, you can go with two VKB Gunfighter bases and wait for VKB SIM to release their newer right handed and left handed grips (which you can purchase later).

https://vkbcontrollers.com/?product=vkb-sim-gunfighter-base-only

Or perhaps two VKB Gladiator Pros for now and update both grips or just the left grip later when they eventually release:

https://vkbcontrollers.com/?product=vkb-gladiator

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Another way to go about it is getting two T16000 sticks (for a dual stick setup):

https://www.amazon.com/dp/B01MQEDEEW/ref=cm_sw_r_cp_api_8UXkzbM4P2BW7

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Or just go with the T16000 HOTAS (with or without pedals):

https://www.amazon.com/dp/B01KCHPRXA/ref=cm_sw_r_cp_api_PVXkzbAW6TM7K

https://www.amazon.com/dp/B015PII6YI/ref=cm_sw_r_cp_api_yWXkzb0KK7FTK

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Now although there are other options, like the Saitek products (X52, X55/X56) and CH products, those just aren't my cup of tea and too many problems plague the Saitek products that they don't seem to be worth investing in. I returned mine and got the Warthog setup and it's so much better. Night and day difference.

I hope I have listed enough choices at different price points to help you make a more informed decision.

And YES, DUAL STICKS are the best :D

You can get adapters for old joysticks to USB, e.g.

https://www.amazon.co.uk/USB-Pin-Joystick-Gameport-Converter/dp/B002JV6JPS

I do not know how well they work but it might be worth a go. I have seen someone use one, and run into some issues, here

VKB Europe's recent "Products availability" (14th Feb) had..

Gunfighter Mk.II (PRO) MCG: produced for EU in sufficient amount and expected to be shipped to our store next week . We aim to keep this product in permanent stock.

It's the stick I have my eye on, at some point.

I've had an X55 .. mine broke twice in 12 months. MadCatz were great and replaced the parts both times, but I decided to sell it on after the 2nd replacement. I don't think the X56 is much of an improvement - the switches for the buttons/hats are just too cheap to last. I would avoid this if you want a hard wearing stick.

VPC looks similar/just as nice but I am also put off by the mounting system. My PC is used by my wife and for other things and space is at a premium so even though the mount is easily removed (I believe) I simply don't have space to put it anywhere.

As for throttles. I have a CH pro, it's not a great example of it's kind however as there is a lot of play and jitter at the ends of the range. But, it has an analog stick which is essential for the space sim stuff I prefer (Elite Dangerous). It's not a great throttle if you want a realistic "feel" however, so avoid if you're concerned about that. It's basically plastic on plastic with no resistance.

You might see if you can pick up a 2nd hand Thrustmaster Warthog thottle as they are, I believe, considered to be top notch.

Wheel Stand Pro

Super happy with it. We're in an apartment so I can fold it away easily. Thing is build like a tank and adjusts great. I've got the Saitek X55 and Pro Flight Rudders.

SC noob here, I don't even own the game yet. I'd check out the T16000M. I use it for DCS World and it's a pretty nice HOTAS for relatively cheap compared to super high end sets.

One thing I'm kinda curios about is how lucrative using a HOTAS or HOSAS will be vs a mouse. From some videos I've seen so far it looks like using a mouse could give a major advantage as people are making pinpoint shots using the mouse whereas with a joystick it would be super difficult.

The newer thrustmaster T16000m setup is a really good choice.

Stick and Throttle Amazon Link

That's the throttle and stick for roughly $100 which is a great price, the package with the pedals is closer to $200.

I have the stick alone that I got for ~$50 and it's pretty great, looking to get the matching throttle now. Also, personally I don't think pedals will make a big deal in ArmA but I'm no pro, so hopefully someone else can help you out there.

You should take a look at r/hotas, there's good help there.

so, this is really all based on a person's preference. there are quite a few HOTAS's that are used for this game. they vary in price, quality, and number of buttons/hats/switches/etc.

here are some examples of "reasonably priced" ones:

Thrustmaster T.16000M
https://www.amazon.com/Thrustmaster-T-16000M-FCS-HOTAS-Controller/dp/B01KCHPRXA/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1492012194&sr=8-1&keywords=thrustmaster+1600

Saitek X52 Pro (or you could go with a non-pro version to save $50)
https://www.amazon.com/Logitech-Gaming-Saitek-Flight-Controller/dp/B01LZ1MQTL/ref=sr_1_2?ie=UTF8&qid=1492012296&sr=8-2&keywords=saitek+x52

You can always go to Amazon and/or do google searches for reviews and other HOTAS systems. I hope this has helped you though. Good luck, and fly safe, CMDR. o7

The Extreme 3D Pro is a very entry-level stick. It will get the job done, but you need to know that you'll be replacing it in a couple years or less if you use it heavily. It's plastic-on-plastic and wears pretty fast, and it's not got the greatest precision to begin with.

The T16000M is a better entry-level stick, being both more precise and better able to stand up to wear over time.

If you can convince your dad to spring for something slightly more expensive, the T16000M HOTAS package gives you a throttle to use as well, and would mean that you could set up to acquire an affordable sim package over the next year by using facetrackNOIR or other webcam-based head tracking, plus saving up for a set of rudder pedals.

Just bought the ps4 one at best buy today
https://www.amazon.com/Thrustmaster-T-Flight-Hotas-Flight-Stick-PS4/dp/B015PJ68BK/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1482985967&sr=8-1&keywords=thrustmaster+hotas+ps4

The hotas x seems to be the more popular option but one of the reviews on the ps4 one said there was more degrees of freedom for movement. I haven't used it yet but I'm sure you can't go wrong with the cheaper stick.

Ohh lol. Logitech 3d pro?

Also Thrustmaster is coming out with a new hotas!

I know its no warthog but it [looks pretty good! ](http://www.Thrustmaster.com/ VG T.16000M Fcs HOTAS Controller (2960778) https://www.amazon.com/dp/B01KCHPRXA/ref=cm_sw_r_cp_apa_2J26xbQ3MHPTX)

Wait for reviews and see What happens. Also i plan on selling my rudder pedals. I too have the Saitek combat. I really want the MSG crosswinds or something similar lol. But like i said thays 3 or 4 more months at least I'm currently over seas.

Pattern work without rudder is tough, I bought these despite all the bad reviews and I'm glad I did. Lots of people complaining they're made of plastic even though the pedals are strong enough that two of me could stand on them and they wouldn't break. I bought it 'used' off Amazon for $81, which means somebody bought it, didn't like it, put it back in the box and shipped it back. FSX:SE has issues with getting pedals to work right, with these pedals it's the brakes in particular. But a little fiddling and they work great.

Try running some flights all-visual with some sectionals and default FSX scenery. No VOR, no DME, no NDB, no GPS. The FSX scenery makes it tougher than real life, and that's great.

I only have VATSIM experience but what I know is... PilotEdge is quite realistic, but it's $20/month or $180 a year. Remember what that could buy otherwise, you're also limit to certain hours (0800-2300 PST) and I hope you like SoCal. Supposedly IVAO has very limited non-Europe coverage. VATSIM coverage can be spotty, but it's usually rather predictable. Audio quality is terrible, but obviously good enough that people can understand one another. Realism is at your discretion, many ARTCCs will try to go as realistic as reasonable. VAs are a plus.

Keep in mind, nothing's stopping you from trying. VATSIM/IVAO are free, PilotEdge has a 2 week trial.

Don't limit yourself to dual sticks; you need a throttle with an analog joystick for the best experience. Dual sticks is only good if you love decoupled mode. This relatively inexpensive combo can do everything as it has an analog nub on the front and paddles that add an extra interesting element of control:
https://www.amazon.com/Thrustmaster-T-16000M-FCS-HOTAS-Controller/dp/B01KCHPRXA/ref=sr_1_6?ie=UTF8&qid=1485372826&sr=8-6&keywords=thrustmaster+t-flight+hotas+x+flight+stick

Note that the $USD MSRP is actually $150, and Amazon resellers are over charging due to limited stock

I spent way too much time on this, but let's see how your claim plays out.

2. Akai MPK249 $400
2. Yamaha P71 $415
3. 21.5 inch iMac $1100 (although this is the base model, probably a good estimate)
3. Edifier R1280T Near Field Monitors $99
5. Asus 24" monitor $130x5=$650
4. Logitech G27 I'm going to say around $300, even though Amazon has it listed for nearly $1000. Seems like the MSRP a few years ago was $300-$400.

1. Logitech G Saitek X52 Flight Control System $150
   
2. Logitech C600 $30
   
3. Opolar F401 $12
   
4. Logitech G610 $90, although some versions on amazon are closer to $60
   
5. (I couldn't figure out what the other keyboard is, but it's probably junk that the OP didn't spend a lot of money on.)
   
6. Logitech Z623 $100 (I think these are right)
   
7. HTC Vive $500
   
8. Logitech Z-2300 $180 MSRP, I'm fairly certain that I'm wrong about this one though
   
9. Wireless Xbox Controller $42
   
   Add in like $1000 for each desk and $2000 for each computer we don't see (assuming there are two), that gets us to a total of $11,068.
   
   There is a laptop bag stashed on the left side of the frame, so maybe it's a $9000 laptop.

CH pro throttle is ideal for this and strafe control in space sims. The analog thumb stick is perfect. In DCS I use it for sensor slew, just like what you're asking for. In space, it's an ideal strafe control for full 6 DOF.

Also, what's your budget? If you are set on a stick control and don't mind a more colorful device, I'm kinda curious about this thing: https://www.amazon.com/gp/aw/d/B01M1B2MJX/ref=mp_s_a_1_2?ie=UTF8&qid=1492648484&sr=8-2&pi=AC_SX236_SY340_FMwebp_QL65&keywords=saitek+farming+simulator

Well, if you've got some pretty deep pockets, go for the VirtualFly "YoKo The Yoke". It's very high quality but comes with a $900 price tag. There's not really a "middle ground" with yokes. It's "really good and expensive" or "not the best but also won't bankrupt you". There are some things like the CH Yoke and the Saitek Pro Yoke that aren't very expensive but might have some QC issues. The Pro Yoke is known to have a dead area in the middle and the shaft
( ͡° ͜ʖ ͡°) sometimes has sticking issues when the aileron axis is deflected left or right.

In terms of joysticks, I use a 6 year old Logitech Extreme 3D Pro I got for 30 bucks. There's more higher-quality, lower-cost stuff in this range. The Thrustmaster Warthog HOTAS is the best in this category, for half the price of the YoKo yoke. There's also the Saitek X52, X55 and X56 lineup in terms of higher quality stuff. The X52 can be found for about $150 but doesn't really have all the bells and whistles of the X55 and 56. The X56 is the same thing as the X55 but with RGB lighting. The X55 seems rather difficult to find as of late, with then X56 being about $250 from Newegg.

It also depends on what you fly. For GA I recommend a yoke, and for airliners pretty much anything will do.

Edit: Fixed positioning of Lenny face

There are Voicepacks that you can download that allow you to do ship controls via voice, and changes the AI voice that responds to you to certain people (i.e you can have William Shatner become your ship's computer).

I saw that Thrustmaster is finally releasing the HOTAS that was previously only available on PC and PS4 for the X1, which is awesome. I bought the X-52 Pro for my Oculus setup and it just enhances the realism. The in-game throttle and stick were actually modeled after the X-52 pro. So the buttons you press on the HOTAS are mimicked in-game almost 1-to-1. It's uncanny.

I hope with the new HOTAS for X1 there will be more people that give the game a try. Personally I tried the game when it first came out in Game Preview in 2014 but just couldn't enjoy it with a standard controller. Having the HOTAS + VR has made it one of the best games/experiences I've ever had. I just hope that VR will become available for the X1 in the near future so more people can experience this stuff.

Cheapest:
https://www.amazon.com/Thrustmaster-T-Flight-Hotas-Flight-Stick-pc/dp/B001CXYMFS/ref=cm_cr_arp_d_product_top?ie=UTF8

Next cheapest:
https://www.amazon.com/Thrustmaster-T-16000M-FCS-HOTAS-Controller/dp/B01KCHPRXA/ref=cm_cr_arp_d_product_top?ie=UTF8

I'd recommend the second one, since the joystick sensor is much better, and you have more buttons. But the first one gets good reviews too, so it's not a bad choice. I have the second one and I'm very happy with it.

I'm currently using the Thrustmaster T.16000M FCS HOTAS and it's wonderful!

https://www.amazon.com/Thrustmaster-T-16000M-FCS-HOTAS-Controller/dp/B01KCHPRXA/ref=pd_lpo_147_tr_t_3?_encoding=UTF8&psc=1&refRID=6PH6DS63FJSDJKASE19F

I'm not sure what is the current "best" is, but this is a great budget set up. It feels well built and is a pleasure to use. I believe this was developed with Elite in mind but should work fine with other games as well.

Awesome, really appreciate the info. The Honeycomb looks really nice, had never heard of it until just now. They claim to be releasing it "in the 1st quarter of 2018". I haven't ordered yet, but I'm a bit impatient, so I'll probably go ahead and get the CH/Saitek stuff for now, and possibly get the Honeycomb later. Here's what my build looks like, as of now:

https://www.amazon.com/CH-Products-Eclipse-Yoke-Programmable/dp/B001GIOGBY

https://www.amazon.com/Logitech-PRO-Flight-Rudder-Pedals/dp/B01LYPMTPT

https://www.amazon.com/Logitech-Saitek-Flight-Throttle-Qudrant/dp/B01M00UHE3

Thanks again for all of the information, very helpful

https://www.amazon.ca/Thrustmaster-T16000M-FCS-Hotas-PC/dp/B01KCHPRXA

I'm using that and it works great.

https://www.amazon.ca/Logitech-Saitek-Flight-Control-945-000025/dp/B01LY285ZH/ref=sr_1_4?s=electronics&ie=UTF8&qid=1525367288&sr=1-4&keywords=hotas&dpID=41aijb9PAtL&preST=_SX300_QL70_&dpSrc=srch

I got that for my brother because I love him more than he loves me and he seems to like it. However they did some software/firmware upgrades on it that apparently limited customisability.

Just FYI, if you are already using CH devices go with the Pro Pedals and do this mod. It makes configuring everything much simpler as it can all be done in the CH programming software. If you are mixing devices from different manufactures or are using Thrustmaster products I would recommend looking at Thrustmaster's new TFRP pedals. They have a great price point and will not need to be modded. I got to try the TFRP Pedals out at the recent press event. They worked quite well. However, I would not replace an existing set of CH pedals unless all my other hardware was made by Thrustmaster and programmable in TARGET.

Thrustmaster TFRP Flight Rudder Pedals for PC & Playstation 4 https://www.amazon.com/dp/B015PII6YI/ref=cm_sw_r_cp_api_2pcoxbMY97K01

I have tried both setups and prefer using a CH Fighter Stick and Pro Throttle over a Warthog stick and throttle in Star Citizen. The lighter resistance on the CH stick allows me to be more responsive and precise when aiming, The CH Pro Throttle's analogue thumb stick is also invaluable for strafing. Because of this I prefer using my full CH setup for Star Citizen.

Technically, a direct drive wheel lol (OSW for example)
Very expensive, but very powerful and unmatched in quality (since its something you build, or order to be built for you)
https://www.simracingbay.com/
They're fully customizable, any rim or amount of buttons you want

One option for a button box is to use the Logitech Side Panel, but I don't own one so I don't know if they would be worth it.

https://www.amazon.com/Logitech-Saitek-Farm-Vehicle-Panel/dp/B01M1B2MJX

Of course, if you are looking for expensive but technically the best, you would probably be looking at these http://derekspearedesigns.com/button-controllers.html

https://evolpcgaming.com/store

if you're flying DCS and BoS, I would suggest getting a HOTAS yes. The Logitech Extreme 3d Pro is somewhat a HOTAS and is very good but the Thrustmaster ones you listed are better but if you can afford this one, it'll be the right fit.


TrackIR is very much recommended but it's pricey. I suggest you try out flying first without it and see if you'd really want one. Using trackhats in your stick to look around is cumbersome after I had a TrackIR myself.

The Thrustmaster 16000M, either by itself, as a hotas, or as a hosas is regarded as a good entry level stick by many.

edit: best way to make credits in-game by far is mining, either surface mining for painite or core mining for void opals. Easily 100m/hr or more if you know what you're doing, and/or follow one of the many guides on youtube. I can't personally advise though as I've been actively avoiding it. I don't want to be rich so quick I have no idea what to do with it.

Personally I don't think a HOTAS is required, but it is certainly more immersive and you do tend to get more granular control of your ship versus a keyboard.

Probably the best value HOTAS right now is the T16000M FCS, which is currently ~100 USD. You may also want to check out /r/hotas for more in depth advice.

I'd suggest getting the T16000 FCS (with the TWCS throttle) - that's about $100. Then to be honest with your remaining $400, I'd suggest going straight for a Rift for $399 - nothing compares to flying a plane in VR, it's awesome, and DCS works brilliantly with it.

I'm not religious about it. My Saitek X52 Pro, which was ready and able for 2 years, finally just broke down and stopped working. Unfortunately, Logitech recently bought Saitek and the current reviews are not positive (I assume there are some build/quality issues as they integrate).

So, I just bought, but have not yet received, a Thrustmaster T.16000M FCS HOTAS Controller, which is not-too-pricey and seemed to have solid reviews, especially related to ED, when googled.

If the reviews had been better on the Logtech X55, I would have gone there as I was generally happy with my X52 Pro (although, in retrospect, it was my second one since I had to RMA the first stick right after I bought it....hrrrrm).

So, I am hoping the Thrustmaster:

https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B01KCHPRXA

is a keeper, at least until and if Steel Series comes out with something.

A pretty solid choice is always the TM T.16000. You're really not going to get anything worth having in the sub-100 range new. If you're looking for something a bit more, the Logitec X52 pro (don't touch the non-pro, it has bad QA issues) is a great middle-ground HOTAS with good durability and features. If you can find an X52P used, you'll spend roughly T.16000 price that'l probably end up lasting longer.

Although it's worth mentioning, the A8 in your computer probably won't be too happy playing a whole lot of anything. Money would be better spent on upgrades.

I got the Thrustmaster 16000.m FCS HOTAS. There are nicer sticks out there, but based on my research this one is good quality and costs $99 for throttle and stick where doing better can cost $250+ for just the stick. The only gripe I could find would be the throttle lube wearing out and the rails sticking, which can be remedied by a tube of silicone grease/oil.

https://www.amazon.com/Thrustmaster-T-16000M-FCS-HOTAS-Controller/dp/B01KCHPRXA

I think if you have the money to sink into it - the CH setup is probably the way to go like HoochCow mentioned, but I've only done some basic research into this stuff in order to get off the ground in elite and the $99 price was right for the Thrustmaster.

This is a good starter flight stick that actually works amazingly well.

Thrustmaster T-Flight HOTAS 4

Thrustmaster just released another HOTAS set that is getting pretty good reviews. There used to be a huge gap between the $50 and $200 segment. Any HOTAS within that range were too expensive and too crappy to even consider. So for anyone who wanted something a little more versatile had to make the huge jump to something in the hundreds of dollars. Thrustmaster seems to have fixed that.

Thrustmaster T.16000M FCS HOTAS Controller

Past this, I personally would recommend CH Products. Pretty pricey and, honestly, not much to look at. But what you really pay for is absolute durability, longevity, and versatility. CH Products has been building HOTAS systems for decades now, and there's people who still have their original sticks and throttles, but just rewired the old joystick ports to USB, and they still friggin' work. I have the Fighterstick USB, and the Pro Throttle USB.

and if you REALLY get into it, here's the best entry level HOTAS,

https://www.amazon.com/Thrustmaster-T-Flight-Hotas-Flight-playstation-4/dp/B015PJ68BK/ref=sr_1_2?ie=UTF8&qid=1536066527&sr=8-2&keywords=hotas+x

Also when you run out of buttons or don't want to fiddle with alternative button/key bindings, (though you can, Elite is very impressive in this regard) Voice Attack makes for easy and customizable voice controls/macros on the cheap. There's nothing like approaching a station and telling your computer, "prep for landing" and having all your systems automatically switch. Love it.

https://voiceattack.com/

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He is using a tablet behind an MFD with free roccat power grid software created by Third.

MFD: http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B002HH9TRY/ref=s9_simh_gw_g147_i2_r?pf_rd_m=ATVPDKIKX0DER&pf_rd_s=desktop-1&pf_rd_r=006AKF572XMD36HCCGR7&pf_rd_t=36701&pf_rd_p=2079475242&pf_rd_i=desktop

Free software for tablet: http://www.roccat.org/en-US/Products/Gaming-Software/Power-Grid/Store/Grids/Games/Simulation/553/

For holders you could use something like: http://www.amazon.com/PUREX-Technology-Tablet-swivel-extended/dp/B00D3205WU/ref=pd_sim_147_1?ie=UTF8&dpID=31sPGznq17L&dpSrc=sims&preST=_AC_UL160_SR103%2C160_&refRID=112Q343BKWGJHE6F9KF1

That one is for 7-8.5" tablets. there is a 9-10.5" version as well.

I would think that would be a nightmare. You're going to want a stick. The T-Flight HOTAS is fairly inexpensive and works pretty well. The only thing that really annoyed me with it was that it had a catch in the center of the throttle. If you have any mechanical skills, and maybe a dremel, that's fairly easy to remove.

Probably the least expensive stick I'd go for would be this one.

But if you're serious about enjoying the flying the T-16000M is well worth the $102.

So far these are what seem to be the best solutions to me:

Clamps: http://www.simhq.com/_technology3/technology_188a.html

Stand: http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B00DIQ3168/ref=oh_details_o06_s00_i00?ie=UTF8&psc=1

There are other DIY configurations you can put together, but these seem to be as good as you can get if you want a commercially available, dual joystick, non-cockpit solution.

3D printing different size MFD "frames" would be a cool idea. Though getting the buttons working would be quite the feat of custom work.

Just to be clear, the Panel he is using is Thrustmaster MFD Cougar Pack Flight Control Panels and the buttons work like mapped joystick buttons.

I use these and they are great for systems/power/shield management.

https://www.amazon.com/Logitech-945-000030-Flight-Switch-Panel/dp/B01M1BNTZN/ref=mp_s_a_1_3?keywords=logitech+flight+panel&qid=1564086137&s=gateway&sr=8-3
Maybe you cajole ask a relative if they want to join and buy your brother it as a joint present as it is slightly above your price range but as a 13 year old who loves flight sim, I know that he would really appreciate this.

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Kirk Fickert has some great tutorials on how to use the CH Control manager and he specifically sets one up for Star Citizen post 9.2.

He is the reason I am slowly getting a full CH setup (student loans + life don;t leave much spending money atm).

It's not CH, but Thrustmaster has a nice pair of MFDs for around $75 ($70 right now on Amazon). I'm thinking about getting those down the road.

As far as using the little joystick for aim gimbals, there's a way in the CH software to set it as a third controller, and I'm pretty sure those Kirk videos cover that.

The X52 is in that price range if I recall. Been using mine for a couple of years now with no issues. Had to remove the indent in the throttle because it was driving me crazy but thats really easy to do.

I really want a full yoke and pedal setup to make life easier for simming but the X52 works really well abd is leaps and bounds over the Logitech Extreme 3D Pro I used to use.

https://www.amazon.com/Logitech-Saitek-Flight-Control-System/dp/B01LY285ZH/ref=mp_s_a_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1542501836&sr=8-1&pi=AC_SX236_SY340_FMwebp_QL65&keywords=saitek+52&dpPl=1&dpID=41aijb9PAtL&ref=plSrch

In case you ever wanna switch to the dark side, I've posted a breakdown of the current hotas situation on the vive subreddit before, lemme see if I can find it.

Found it.

The cheap end would be the T-Flight Hotas X ($50).

On the cheaper mid range side, either the Saitek x52 ($140), or the Saitek x52 Pro ($180)

On the more pricey side of the mid range I can suggest the Saitek x55/x56 ($250)

Top of the Line would be the Thrustmaster Warthog ($400)

Since then thrustmaster also released the T.16000M ($130) which as far as I know was made in communication with Frontier so it should be a pretty good fit for Elite.

https://www.amazon.com/Wheel-Stand-Pro-Thrustmaster-Crosswind/dp/B00GF0U6NA/ref=sr_1_17?keywords=hotas+mount&qid=1556248031&s=gateway&sr=8-17 This one was best one I found. You can get it new for about $220 (shipping included). The mount holes look about similar to the TPR Rudder Pedals (you should make sure) and it is fold-able. The one thing is I don't know if it can do yokes but it looks like you can. Hope this helped!

i got this three weeks ago ( same as yours but with throttle) https://www.amazon.com/Thrustmaster-T-16000M-FCS-HOTAS-Controller/dp/B01KCHPRXA

and yes works perfectly, haven't had any issues with it

If I purchase the HOTAS 4 - https://www.amazon.com/Thrustmaster-T-Flight-Hotas-Flight-playstation-4/dp/B015PJ68BK

What do I use instead of the pedals? I really want to get pedals for it, but they are apparently hard to find and more expensive than the HOTAS4 for some reason. So I'm really curious on

1. What do you use instead of the pedals
   
   
2. How does it feel without the pedals? Is it worth it to buy the HOTAS4 and then maybe one day get pedals for it
   
   Thanks in advance anyone who can answer this for me!

Yes, yes, yes please!

Especially because I want these...

http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B002HH9TRY?colid=254YWRLLN8MXY&coliid=I3L2GVQ2Q1QHC3&psc=1&ref_=wl_it_dp_o_pC_nS_ttl

Expensive solution, but less expensive than a laptop; wall mounted rack. You will usually see them in medical buildings, bracket to hold the PC, conduit to route the wiring, a mount for the monitor(s), and a mount for the keyboard and another for mouse. Should run at least $250-$400.

For $700 you can get something like the Volair Sim, which is a bit more ideal for gaming for obvious reasons.

Some alternatives

I have the Thrustmaster T.16000m HOTAS and love it. Plenty of buttons and axes for me. I have everything mapped that I want to have mapped and still have a few buttons on the base of the joystick left over in case I want to add to that. Great build quality, too. The only thing I wish I could do is to disable the orange light somehow. Anytime the joystick is out of its neutral position, that bright, obnoxious orange light at the base of the stick glows, and can be quite distracting. That's my only complaint.

Depends on your budget.

I'd recommend this if your budget allows for it.

If not, the Logitech 3D Pro is the best stick for your money imo.

I'd recommend picking up pedals especially if you're into general aviation flying but definitely get a joystick as your first purchase. As far as yokes go, the lower end ones are generally not worth it and the next options are in the $400-500+ USD range. Some users are happy with their CH/Saitek yokes but I didn't have a great experience with them.

By far my favorite hotas so far. One of the best values in my opinion. And it's on sale! https://www.amazon.com/gp/aw/d/B01KCHPRXA/ref=sxts1?ie=UTF8&qid=1484144571&sr=1&pi=AC_SX236_SY340_QL65

There's a new T.16000M HOTAS set now: http://www.amazon.com/Thrustmaster-T-16000M-FCS-HOTAS-Controller/dp/B01KCHPRXA

Not exactly a bargain, sadly, but I'll be keeping my eye out for sales.

For the cheapy Thrustmaster HOTAS, apparently the hardware in the PS4 remake is higher quality (it's not just different-colored plastic on top of the same electronics), and it gives a superior deadzone to the old PS3-compatible stick. It costs a bit more, though (can see it for $70 versus the original at $50).

Actually, the lowest they've been on Amazon was $50. I have been tracking them on CamelCamelCamel for a whille now. Check out the page for them. They tend to go for a lot on eBay still. anything less than $60 is probably a good deal. I will probably pick some up soon, but I always have a hard time justifying $50-60 on just the mfd frames, but I have a lot of monitors and will definitely make them live if I ever get them...probably totally worth it for me.

I recently bought a Logitech G13, I plan to use that for the ICP in BMS and the UFC in A10C. I got a good price on eBay, and figure if I don't use it much I can always resell it.

Agreed, ED and Onward are the only VR games I've passed 100 hours in. For those looking for a HOTAS and don't want to break the bank, I bought this one 2.5 years ago for $50... it's on prime for $39 now so there's no excuse! It's plug and play for most HOTAS supported games, like ED, as it's a popular one. The Throttle and Joystick do detatch, though there's a cord between them. This might convince you to upgrade for a bigger HOTAS, but it's more than adequate for my occasional Elite Dangerous sessions.

Edit: there's an upgraded version for a few bucks more. Credit to /u/stringentthot

Thrustmaster Warthog is so overpriced. I've used them and I get that they are good, but unless you are doing a professional setup, I can't see paying that for a joystick.

This is a fairly good setup if you are looking budget and for HOTAS. Personally for space sims I use 2 of These to get all the degrees of motion. It works exceptionally well in Star Citizen.

Seems like its been pulled from preorder on amazon: http://www.amazon.com/Saitek-Flight-Controller-SCB432210002-01/dp/B01CZTSS3O?ie=UTF8&*Version*=1&*entries*=0

Dont know why, but if they pulled it from preorder. Its 1 of two options, either they cant meet the amounts of preorders. Or (Lets just hope its this one) They pulled the product for quality reasons. If they make a MK.2 mod of the x-56 with better quality then im probably back on the hype train. But until that happens im not buying a Saitek product with this poor quality.

Yes, at least for me after a few hours. Just don't push yourself and take breaks. I've logged 21 hours so far and don't get it at all anymore.

I have 1.4 set as my SS in the SteamVR ini and VR set to medium with my GTX 980. It is still grainy but I find the text fairly easy to read. Works fairly well though I can notice a little struggling in stations. Asynchronous reprojection works well for this game since it is a seated experience so make sure it is on.

If you are looking for a HOTAS system I'd recommend this one. https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B01KCHPRXA It is newer and built with Elite Dangerous in mind with a built-in profile for it in game. I came from a Xbox 360 controller and it was well worth it.

Yup! I love it!

It's bound for some upgrades, though, as I've started flying atmospheric too, lately. Looking in to a better stick (VFX in particular) and I need to figure out how to mount 3x MFD panels in a usable configuration. Oh well, baby steps.

This HOTAS is great for a budget but you may run out of programmable buttons.

This is the HOTAS I use for Elite, I personally think it is the "best bang for your buck". The HOTAS also comes with a twists stick so you don't need pedals.

Ive been looking at a lot of reviews and such, and settled on this t16000 thrustmaster has a pretty good rep and it seems to have better reviews than pretty much anything else under $400. If your budget is big though, ignore this.

Edit: Found someone's keybinds, it has a lot

Thrustmaster MFDs, I have them as well, they're pretty good

DCS auto maps the controls for you as well, at least on the F18, F16 and A-10 (so any plane they'll be relevant to)

https://www.amazon.co.uk/Thrustmaster-Replica-Force-Cougar-Flight-Black/dp/B002HH9TRY/ref=sr_1_fkmr0_1?keywords=thrustmasgfetr+mfds&qid=1570374795&sr=8-1-fkmr0

The HOTAS 4 isn't the same as the T.Flight Stick X. But yes, I still think that is also still available.

HOTAS 4 is the PS4 re-packaging of the old HOTAS X. And there's to be a HOTAS One that is the XBos re-packaging of the same updated stick. I don't know if anything but the paint and the proprietary save card ports is actually updated, but it might be slightly better than the decade old HOTAS X.

WOW! Thank you everyone for the advice you've given me.

I'm not even gonna start the game for a bit. I'm moving to a 2BR place at the end of the month, and the second bedroom is gonna become my VR space.

I think I'm gonna save up a bit and get this chair and this HOTAS setup.

Then I'm gonna get lost in space.

I had a gift card for Amazon so I ended up getting this

https://www.amazon.com/Thrustmaster-T-Flight-Hotas-Flight-playstation-4/dp/B015PJ68BK

It snaps apart so I could always move it around or whatever. Everything is right handed apparently any way. And I didn't want to get a refurbished or used 3D pro. Plus I also have a PS4 so if anything ever comes out for it, I'll have compatibility. The PS4 is better than my computer so here's to hoping.

That, that's a really big "it depends".

This Alienware Aurora is less than $1000, and would play the game exceptionally well. Figure you'll spend ~80% of that (give or take 20%) if you're building it yourself. You can go lower-end, but this level is also VR-capable, should you want that in the future.

You can buy a Thrustmaster T16000M HOTAS for $120-150.

You can get a decent nice 24" monitor for $130-$500 (depending on what you want, but a very basic 1080p 24" screen can be had for $130.

Figure $50-$100 for a decent keyboard/mouse as well.

So, summing this all up, if you just buy what I linked you're looking at ~$1300 if you're looking for something modern that will last a while.

I'm w/ you on the 100$+ HOTAS... I can't really justify it either, unless it's my main 'go to' game down the line maybe. I might get into Flight Simulator X (FSX) as well, for the civilian aircraft flight aspect, in addition to a space flight sim. The only one over a hundred that I could justify is maybe the Thrustmaster T.16000M FCS
I did look into X3, as well as Star Citizen. Both look great, in their own unique ways... SC isn't fully released yet and while X3 looks fun, I'm not sure I'd be into the empire building aspect of it. Not sure why, but Elite has somehow captured my interest over the it's competition. Might change my mind down the line though...

Got the Thrustmaster T.16000M FCS HOTAS for 100€ and love them. Think they are the best for beginners if you look for mid range ones.

I would make sure that you have the homas button enabled. This will keep you from moving the ship with the mouse. I have a setup that can switch between homas and hotas easily. You are pretty button light in your setup. I would have suggest looking at this
http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B0086UK7I6?psc=1&redirect=true&ref_=oh_aui_search_detailpage
It has the 12 buttons on the side and a shift key. Another option is another option http://www.amazon.com/Thrustmaster-Cougar-Flight-Control-Panels/dp/B002HH9TRY
I can share my key setups if you want? I do joystick right and mouse left with pedals.
Also, shoot me a message if you want someone to fly with.

As much as you says its cheap, the T16000 is still the best one to go with. People that I know that have used it says it great. The accuracy of the stick is actually more than that of the Warthog. If I were you, I would go with the HOTAS setup.

https://www.amazon.com/Thrustmaster-T-16000M-FCS-HOTAS-Controller/dp/B01KCHPRXA

Some of the higher level players swear by kb+m for pvp and combat. They play flat, but it is what it is considering. If you can get used to kb+m or controller, you'll be fine.


However this is the HOTAS I own, and I would recommend it any day. Elite has preset bindings for a good selection of HOTAS already, and this is no exception.

Head tracking is an advantage, but not a must (I do fine without it). Get yourself an entry level HOTAS such as the thrustmaster t.16000m fcs.

This will give you more than enough money for an entry level module. I'd recommend the non-clicky-cockpit Flaming Cliffs 3 pack and/or a simple clicky-pit plane like the F-5E Tiger II

This Thrustmaster is the only one supported as far as I know. https://www.amazon.com/Thrustmaster-T-Flight-Hotas-Flight-Stick-PS4/dp/B015PJ68BK/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1500310371&sr=8-1&keywords=thrustmaster+t.flight+hotas+4

That said, I'm confused why it's listed so expensive here. I only paid like $50 new for mine on amazon. Maybe there's a new one coming out? Hopefully someone else can elaborate better than I can on this topic.

T16000M FCS
and TFRP
both by Thrustmaster are a good combo and will only run you for about 200.
This guy did a pretty decent review on it.
Or you could do the TFRP pedals with the x-56 AND a trackIR included in the combo on amazon if you don't have one and it will run you just under 500.

The warthog stick and throttle and the TFRP pedals will put you right at 500 via amazon if you don't need trackir so there's that.

I need to get a life.

From what I've read, the Thrustmaster TFRP seem to be a good set for the price, although they are pretty narrow, so bare that in mind.

I personally feel you should get a better set though considering you fly the Huey, such as the MFG Crosswinds

Don't waste your money on a warthog sheesh.

Get the trust master FCS stick and throttle. I have one and it's amazing!

https://smile.amazon.com/gp/aw/d/B01KCHPRXA/ref=sxts1?ie=UTF8&qid=1486386713&sr=1&pi=AC_SX236_SY340_FMwebp_QL65

Here, the best $113 you could spend on a HOTAS.

(Thrustmaster T.16000M FCS HOTAS Controller (2960778) https://www.amazon.com/dp/B01KCHPRXA/ref=cm_sw_r_cp_api_VCTOBb0X65Y74)

Edit: apparently mobile isn’t happy with my links.

Cant comment on the 2 you listed but the Logitech X52 PRO is on sale right now for $99 on amazon https://www.amazon.com/dp/B01LZ1MQTL/ref=cm_sw_r_cp_api_TI1MAbMEQSZ95

I have the non-pro version and love it. Enough buttons for just about everything.

I agree about the x52 quality, it can be hit or miss the little screen on mine went out after about a month, I never use it anyway but it's still annoying.

Are you referring to this one by chance? https://www.amazon.com/Thrustmaster-T-16000M-FCS-HOTAS-Controller/dp/B01KCHPRXA/ref=sr_1_2?s=electronics&ie=UTF8&qid=1500495791&sr=1-2&keywords=flight+sticks

That's the first time seeing it. I've only seen the single/individual stick models before, but I could never go to a dual stick setup I need to have my throttle for the left and .That package seems pretty nice though. I still think I'd prefer the X52 or just move up to a warthog though I couldn't go without my 2nd hat on the stick either.

Lone Echo is a great game but only 6-8 hours only other game on your list i have played is Elite Dangerous i have about 800 hours into it, but the game is not for everyone. Watch some youtube before you buy it it can be hard to get into but once you get flying and the controllers down its a lot of fun. If you get ED i suggest a HOTAS this one will work good.

Could you save up a little more to get this one. It is great !

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To get the full benefit of VR and that 'mersion with E:D... you really should pick up a HOTAS... It's an investment though..

The [Thrustmaster T.16000M FCS] (https://www.amazon.com/Thrustmaster-T-16000M-FCS-HOTAS-Controller/dp/B01KCHPRXA/ref=sr_1_1?s=videogames&ie=UTF8&qid=1525388117&sr=1-1&keywords=thrustmaster+t16000m) is a very good one.

Probably the best for the price...(I took a chance with the 'updated' Logitech X-56 and it's amazing with E:D but it's double the price) I'll say Elite in VR with a HOTAS really is the most complete VR experience out there...

The new thrustmaster fcs hotas is fantastic value, and means he can also fly space sims down the line with relative ease if he wants.

https://www.amazon.com/Thrustmaster-T-16000M-FCS-HOTAS-Controller/dp/B01KCHPRXA

I used this HOTAS for the first 1700 hours I played ED, and it worked fine for me. Still works great, but I upgraded to this HOTAS recently, which is even better.

Is this a common/recommended HOTAS? Anyone vouch for it?

https://www.amazon.com/Thrustmaster-T-16000M-FCS-HOTAS-Controller/dp/B01KCHPRXA/ref=sr_1_2?ie=UTF8&qid=1484153574&sr=8-2&keywords=thrustmaster+hotas

I have never used a HOTAS and want a decent entry-level one to see how I like it, but also one that I would be happy with long-term.

Get'em while they're hot ...

https://www.amazon.com/Logitech-Saitek-X52-Flight-Controller/dp/B01LZ1MQTL/ref=dp_ob_title_ce

https://www.amazon.com/Saitek-X52-Flight-System-Controller/dp/B000LQ4HTS

Edit: Opps ... didn't fully read your post ... mobile phone :P

Re the PS2 cable: I don't know if the cable is the same as a PS2 standard cable, I recall giving away my old X52 to a mate and giving him a standard PS2 cable but he said it was a different pin-out, so buying spares from an electronic store / PC store may be an option if you modify the wiring and use the original connectors. You could also look at making a base plate for both the Stick and Throttle with guides to secure the ends of the cable. There's lots of options you can explore.

just the stick - Logitech Xtreme 3D Pro $35 at best buy might even be in stock locally, will work but sensors are cheep will wear out in a year.

stick and throttle _ Thrustmaster T.16000M FCS HOTAS Controller better sensors will last much longer

if you also want rudder peddles this is a well priced combo Thrustmaster T16000M FCS Flight Pack - PC

> Voice Attack

Woah Voice Attack looks awesome! Man I don't need another distraction but it seems like ED + Hotas is a good way to immerse. Might have to do it. Do you think I could get away with this for a starter https://www.amazon.com/Thrustmaster-T-Flight-Hotas-Flight-playstation-4/dp/B015PJ68BK/ref=sr_1_4?s=videogames&ie=UTF8&qid=1465620334&sr=1-4&keywords=hotas ?

Yeah I kinda' gave up trying to make the cables pretty. The HOTAS stands are 2 x Wheel Stand Pro. They're... okay. Pricey for what they are... and the stands get in the way of my chair, which is annoying.

I wish I'd bought two of these VPC Desk Mounts, with the corresponding throttle and joystick mounting plates. They look a lot slicker.

Check out VTOL VR. It is completely playable with only the Touch controllers.

That being said, DCS is tons of fun in VR. I use a Thrustmaster T16000M stick and throttle which works great with most of the modules.

I would not recommend the saitek if you want your joystick to last. You would be considered lucky if yours lasts an entire year. Instead, I would recommend getting two of these (using two joysticks is amazing), or one of these, or get a 16000M and buy a separate throttle (you can find the x52 throttle on ebay. The mouse nub on the throttle is worth having).

I'd go with the [T16000M FCS](Thrustmaster T16000M FCS https://www.amazon.com/dp/B01MQEDEEW/ref=cm_sw_r_cp_apa_i_oLPvCbGXEZ1HX) for $40 ATM

It's got the same sensors as the Thrustmaster Warthog stick, and the magnetic sensors feel better to me in general. As others have mentioned, this game has a ton of keybinds so as much as I like dedicated throttles, I find myself getting annoyed going back and forth from it to the keyboard.

That said if you don't think you'll mind switching back and forth, I'd recommend the [hotas combo that includes this stick](Thrustmaster T16000M FCS HOTAS https://www.amazon.com/dp/B01KCHPRXA/ref=cm_sw_r_cp_apa_i_5SPvCbKVNA2QA).