Reddit mentions: The best camping stove accessories

You mention air-mattresses so I assume you're just car camping, not hiking? Probably a good choice for first-time camping.

REI has a good checklist here. You obviously won't need all of it (like navigation stuff), but it's a good starting place.

Tents are a bit tough without more detail. Are all six of you planning on going in on purchasing a six person tent? Do a select few people want to buy 2-3 person tents to just keep? Are you planning on hiking in the future, in which case you'll want lighter tents - at more upfront cost? How many sites have you reserved? If only one site, there will probably be a limit on number of tents you can have.

Either way, some good starting places:

• ALPS Mountaineering offers a 6-person tent for $140, and is a well regarded brand on here. That's about $24 each.
  
  
• REI also has a good 6-person tent for $150, and this subreddit loves REI (and deservedly so). Can't go wrong with their gear. About $25 each.
  
  A tarp for the tent might not be necessary, but is something worth considering if you're worried about wet conditions.
  
  Air mattresses are an unnecessary expense if you're on a budget. Pretty much any sleeping bag that's not designed specifically to be lightweight will have enough fluff in it to provide some padding. Something like one of these big fat ones for $25. You're camping anyway, not staying at a hotel. A few nights on the ground won't kill you. Bring a few thick blankets if you're worried though. A good inflatable pad will probably be more than you want to spend money on.
  
  You can forget backpacks for now if you're just using your cars at a state park or something. A good pack is expensive anyway. But a duffel bag or small backpack or something is a good idea to carry clothes, food, and supplies. Doesn't need to be anything special.
  
  One important thing to keep in mind is firewood. Don't bring it. You should always buy locally (most parks will supply/sell it) since this prevents the spread of dangerous pests like Emerald Ash Borers and such.
  
  A few more basics you'll want:
  
  
• A first aid kit, probably. Even at a well developed state park, it's still a good idea to have one nearby for smaller injuries.
  
• Some sort of firestarter. Doesn't need to be fancy. Just, if you bring a lighter, make sure you have fluid for it. Something like these guys might be useful though if you're not used to starting fires.
  
• Flashlights/Lanterns are useful. Something like this or this
  
• A cooler.
  
• A pillow. For car-camping a normal pillow will do. Just make sure you don't forget. I always forget a fucking pillow when car-camping.
  
  Food. Personally, I think planning and packing food for a camping trip is one of the best parts. There are more camping food "hacks" and ideas out there than you can imagine. Plan it right and you'll eat better when camping than your average day in the college dorm. A little bit of tin foil, pie pans, and prep the night before and you can eat stuff like this or this or this. Just browse and look around until you see something that makes your mouth water. Most of it is no more difficult than throwing ingredients in some tin foil, and then throwing them on the fire later (in some cases you'll want to pre-cook chicken or fish or beef though).

Car camping and backpacking are two very different things so here's my input for both:

Tent:

For car camping, go for the 4-person. More space, the better, no need to worry about the weight, etc. Also, they can be pretty inexpensive. I actually don't own a car camping tent, but I borrow my parent's REI one when I need it-I think they have a Camp Dome? With proper care, I think most will last a while. My best friend's Walmart tent was purchased for her girl scout trips 20 years ago and its still going strong. REI is reliably a strong brand and I think they've got a couple options on sale right now.

For backpacking, go light and stick with a 2 person (as long as you like your hiking buddies-otherwise get a 1person and tell them to bring their own). There is usually large price jump between the superlight (3-4lbs) and ultralight (2-3lbs) so it might depend on your budget. I went with super light and am a big fan of my two Big Agnes tents (1person Tumble and 2 person Rattlesnake). I also splurged (about 20$ more) for the versions with built in lights-they don't replace a headlamp but they are still super convenient.

Stove:

Car Camping: Mine is a ~50 year old Coleman gas stove that my brother gave me... he says he finds them at thrift stores all the time and they take a little know-how but last forever.

Backpacking: My brother also gave me this one? What is it with my brother gifting me with stoves? It's not the smallest one you can get, but it is inexpensive and has worked well for me for the last few months. The electric ignition is a plus, although the instructions are sparse and I only discovered it was there when I shocked myself with it!

Lantern:

Car Camping: Again, I borrow this off my parents. My mother has some weird off-brand one that falls apart on me occasionally but has a built in fan. If you're planning on doing any summer camping, maybe look for one with a fan?

Backpacking: Headlamp is usually sufficient for most, but I've shared campsites with people who bring the little inflatable ones (luci, I think the brand name is?) which have been nice-I just prefer other "luxuries" for the weight. Or you can get built in lights (see my tent section)

Cookware:

Car Camping: Just grab a pot/pan/cooking utensils from home. Or go to a thrift store and pick up a decent set to keep in your camping bin so you don't have to move it in and out of your kitchen. Space and weight aren't any concern here.

Backpacking: The MSR two person set can sometimes be found for cheap at Sierra Trading Post-that's where I got mine. Seems sturdy over the couple trips I've taken it on, mugs are a weird shape but nicely insulated. I just grabbed the GSI soloist set during the REI fall sale so I haven't been able to test it yet, but the MSR was big when I was only cooking for one person, so it should shave some weight and save some space for me. I might invest in a titanium mug at some point because I don't love the plastic ones in either set but it's not essential, just a preference.

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Well, that was long. Let me know if there's anything you'd like more in-depth reviews of. I'm a recent convert too and put a lot of research into my purchases so always happy to share the tips. Happy camping!!

There is a lot wrong with this list, so I'm just going to work down it one by one with my thoughts on the matter.

USB flameless lighter? Why? That is going to be unreliable, at best. Throw a few BIC lighters and some stormproof matches in there and be done with it. IF you want to be fancy, get something built to be rugged, that will stand up to use in the field:

https://www.amazon.ca/Ultimate-Survival-Technologies-Floating-Lighter/dp/B00C85NBA6/ref=sr_1_2?s=sports&ie=UTF8&qid=1482173178&sr=1-2&keywords=camping+lighter

Speaking of, I didn't see any sort of firestarting material. Warmth is going to be important, and you need as few steps as possible between you and fire. Get some quality firestarters. I am trying to keep all my links relevant from amazon.ca, so some of the brands I'm most familiar with aren't there. But these work well (though there are options from Wetfire and other brands that take up less space):

https://www.amazon.ca/Ultimate-Survival-Technologies-Fire-Stix/dp/B00C6SHODK/ref=sr_1_20?s=sports&ie=UTF8&qid=1482173338&sr=1-20&keywords=emergency+fire+starter

What is with the mall-ninja "tactical" hatchet? That is a lot of weight and not a lot of utility. You'd be better served with a reliable and lightweight folding saw, and a good full-tang fixed-blade knife. Something like a 7 inch Corona saw:

https://www.amazon.ca/Corona-Cutting-Tools-RS-7041/dp/B00004R9YN/ref=sr_1_1?s=sports&ie=UTF8&qid=1482173467&sr=1-1&keywords=corona+folding+saw

If you insist on carrying a hatchet (and their function in a bugout situation is debatable, especially for the weight) get something quality like an Estwing:

https://www.amazon.ca/Estwing-E24A-14-Inch-Sportmans-Sheath/dp/B00BNQR4SG/ref=sr_1_1?s=sports&ie=UTF8&qid=1482173510&sr=1-1&keywords=estwing+hatchet

Nothing wrong with duct tape, but you'd do well to wrap just maybe 3-4 meters of it around a small core (like from doggy waste bags, or even just around itself).

The self-crank radio/flashlight/phone charger is shit. You also don't need four lights, especially if all of them are crap. Buy one good flashlight, and maybe one good headlamp.

A flashlight like a Nitecore P12 or something that runs on an 18650 and offers long runtime would be ideal. If you buy a diffuser cap for it, you can replace the lantern. Pick up some spare, high quality 18650 cells, as well. The P12 has SOS and beacon modes, which will run for days at a time, in addition to a nice throw and excellent brightness on Medium and High.

https://www.amazon.ca/Nitecore-Flashlight-Lumens-Meters-Distance/dp/B00PQE1D2E/ref=sr_1_2?s=sports&ie=UTF8&qid=1482173859&sr=1-2&keywords=nitecore+P12

As for headlamps, those don't need to be super bright. You want something with enough brightness and floodiness to work around camp. But ideally you also want a red-light or low-light mode for night time, when you don't need to destroy your night vision just because you need to take a piss or something.

https://www.amazon.ca/TACTIKKA-CONSTANT-LIGHTING-HEADLAMP-DESERT/dp/B00GCGIGHK/ref=sr_1_14?s=sports&ie=UTF8&qid=1482173989&sr=1-14&keywords=petzl+headlamp

The powerbank thing in the crank radio is crap, only 1000mah. Not enough to charge most modern smart phones even 25%. Figure that of that 1000mah, ~25% will be lost just due to inefficiency in the charging process. Get a 10,000mah or bigger high quality battery, with 2.1A ports, and be done with it:

https://www.amazon.ca/Anker-PowerCore-Portable-Ultra-Compact-High-speed-Charging-Technology/dp/B0194WDVHI/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1482173708&sr=8-1&keywords=anker+usb+power+bank

Combine the money you'd spend on the shitty folding knife and the shitty Gerber multitool, and buy a proper multi-tool. You don't need two folding knives.

The Leatherman Wingman is a good value, though I prefer a nicer quality one like the Charge TTi, but at four times the price it may not be worth it just for an S30V blade.

https://www.amazon.ca/Leatherman-2996-831426-Wingman-Multi-Tool/dp/B005DI0XM4/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1482174264&sr=8-1&keywords=leatherman+wave

Ditch the camp toilet paper, that stuff is like wiping your ass with cardboard. Get some biodegradable camp wipes from an outdoor store. You can now use these to clean your ass, and they also are useful for wiping your hands, or taking whore baths.

Same with the camp soap. Are you bugging out or camping for a week? Nothing you are going to do in a bugout situation is going to necessitate body soap. Toothbrush, floss, deodorant.

Ditch the giant first aid kit full of crap you don't need. Those things are heavy and 80 of the 85 pieces are just different sized bitch stickers. Build your own first aid kit tailored around the likely injuries you would face: sprains, cuts, burns. Maybe throw some Quik Clot Z-pack gauze or a tourniquet (CAT or similar) in there for larger trauma, if that is a concern to you. Limit the bitch stickers to 5-10. All gauze, tape, trauma pads, alcohol wipes, tincture of iodine, moleskin for blisters, tweezers, surgical shears, gloves, maybe burn cream. Small containers of medications you might need: aspirin, antihistamines like Diphenhydramine, anti-diarrheals, etc.

That survival paracord bracelet thing is garbage. You already have 100ft of paracord in your list (which you could probably cut down to 50ft). You don't need some shitty firestarter, whistle, and compass thing. Buy a real lensatic sighting compass. Not going to do you much good without a map and the ability to understand it, anyway.

https://www.amazon.ca/UST-Survival-Essentials-Lensatic-Compass/dp/B005X1YI3Q/ref=sr_1_5?s=sports&ie=UTF8&qid=1482174799&sr=1-5&keywords=compass

You have both a cookset AND a mug/pot. This is extra redundant and not needed in a bugout situation. Stick to food you don't have to prepare. Caloric density is your friend. Jerky, EPIC bars, Clif bars, etc.

If you need to boil water, use a single-wall metal canteen (NOT a thermos). Remove the plastic lid, fill with water, set in your fire. Widemouth canteens like those by Klean Kanteen are multi-purpose (multipurpose is your friend). You can sterilize water, you can cook and eat food out of it (because of the large opening), and you can fill with hot water, wrap in a sock, and warm your sleep system.

https://www.amazon.ca/Klean-Kanteen-Stainless-Bottle-27-Ounce/dp/B0027W6WHE/ref=sr_1_sc_4?s=sports&ie=UTF8&qid=1482174908&sr=1-4-spell&keywords=klean+kanteen+widemouth

You don't need a can opener if you have a good multitool.

Lifestraws suck ass. They only work as a straw, and I am going to guess you don't want to get your water by drinking out of puddles exclusively. Get a Sawyer Squeeze mini filter. This can be used in-line with a hydration bladder, can be used like a Lifestraw, or can be used to filter an fill your water storage containers/bladder:

https://www.amazon.ca/Sawyer-Products-SP128-Filtration-System/dp/B00FA2RLX2/ref=sr_1_1?s=sports&ie=UTF8&qid=1482175065&sr=1-1&keywords=sawyer+mini

One seriously lacking area for you is your sleep system. A tarp and a space blanket are not going to keep you functionally warm. You might survive a night, but you won't be useful the next day.

At the BARE minimum, you should get a good, reflective, breathable bivvy sack, like this one from SOL, AND a sleeping pad. A bivvy will reflect heat back onto you, helping with heat lost through convection, but no sleeping bag will help with heat lost through conduction (you touching the cold ground). That is why a sleeping pad is mandatory. I have used the Escape bivvy and the Klymit pad linked here together, and both kept me comfortably warm to about 50 degrees F. Below that, I've had to augment with base layers or jackets, and that still sucked. If you are hoping to sleep in below freezing temperatures, you'll need a properly sorted ultralight sleeping bag.

https://www.amazon.ca/Adventure-Medical-Kits-Escape-Bivvy/dp/B00EVGD0FQ/ref=sr_1_1?s=sports&ie=UTF8&qid=1482175280&sr=1-1&keywords=SOL+escape

https://www.amazon.ca/Klymit-06SVGR01C-Camping-Mattress-Green-Grey/dp/B007RFG0NM/ref=sr_1_1?s=sports&ie=UTF8&qid=1482175199&sr=1-1&keywords=sleep+pad

Other recommendations of mine would be to take survival, medical and foraging guides and put them on a smartphone, along with a GPS mapping software and pre-downloaded offline topographical maps at 1:24k resolution of your main bugout areas and 1:100k resolution elsewhere. Something like Gaia GPS for iOS or Backcountry Navigator Pro for Android:

There are a few options.

I love my Jetboil, but it's too small to feed a group of 4 more than freeze dried meals. You could buy the Jetboil Pot Support, which will allow you to use larger pots and pans with the Jetboil stove. The Fuel Can Stabilizer will help keep the whole thing steady with larger pots/pans. Personally I have other stoves so I've never looked at going this route.

You could pick up a MSR Pocket Rocket; it's not the smallest/cheapest/lightest stove, but it's pretty reliable as far as backpacking stoves go. It's bigger than most of the competition, but that also means it's more stable than the Kovea Supalite and much more stable than the popular BRS3000T with a larger pot/pan. But still small and light enough to take backpacking. With a group of 4 cooking meals, it's good to have two stoves going (don't forget you still have the Jetboil to cook stuff as well).

One issue with the Jetboil and MSR PR is the flame pattern is very narrow. For cooking with larger pots/pans, it's nice to have a wide flame to distribute the heat. There are some larger backpacking stoves like the Primus Classic Trail Stove that have a nice wide flame, but is also bigger and bulkier if you want to use it as a backpacking stove.

There are other options like white gas stoves and alcohol stoves; white gas stoves are much more expensive, heavy, bulky, but cook really well. Alcohol stoves are cheap (free if you make them yourself), but can take longer to cook anything.

And there are some who carry propane stoves and the heavy green propane canisters... for car camping a dual-burner stove is the way to go, but I'm not going to haul any of those green cansiters in my backpack.

As for the tent... been looking at the SS2, but haven't picked one up yet since it doesn't pass the "what's wrong with the tent you have now?" test. Not sure what you mean by too much tent, it's not a Hilleberg!

Good luck!

It's heavy. Really effing heavy. It's big, it's bulky.

It will boil over any percolator type coffee pot even on low. Get the flame tamer diffusers https://www.amazon.com/Camp-Chef-FT10-Flame-Tamer/dp/B001440WG8/ref=sr_1_1 You're welcome.

It will cook food faster than you can blink. Faster than your gas stove at home. 90,000 BTU of pure propane sucking power. 30,000 BTU per burner. Great for big pots, big groups of people, tailgating.

The rolling bag you can order with it, is somewhat helpful, but the wheels bog down in the dirt. Get one anyway. Reinforce the corners with some canvas and canvas glue. You'll be happy you did. Bring a friend to help you carry it and get a truck to haul it ;)

Order the leg levelers https://www.amazon.com/Camp-Chef-Levelers-Stoves-Tables/dp/B00LO4XNN2/ref=sr_1_1

It is great for higher altitudes because they have manual adjustments behind the burner control knobs to reduce/allow more air into the ports. Easy peasy.

It's overkill IMO. Mine has been abandoned to return to a 2 burner coleman propane stove.

A happy medium would be one of the Camp Chef Mountain Series stoves. High BTU, smaller package.

Don't get me wrong. I love my big ass Camp Chef 3 burner. I just don't need that much. We pre-cook a lot of food. My sister has one as well so if needed for our bigger campouts, they can bring it, I just don't have the room for it and am trying to lighten my load, downsize and make it simpler for my kid and I to camp more frequently while accommodating my RA and other joint issues.

I used to recommend others, but this is my new fav. Super super easy to use and reliable. Huge tank. A tested classic. Winner.

Eagle Jet Gun Torch Lighter Windproof Refillable Lighter (Blue) https://www.amazon.com/dp/B01IROKNMA/ref=cm_sw_r_cp_apa_i_R54vDb1ABR2WA

I do these for myself. The good news, they are cheap and easy to make, I'm going to link to the various rods I have used so far here, the 4.5mmx75mm, the 8mmx80mm and finally the big one, 12.7mmx127mm. All of these rods have performed well for me, I personally prefer the larger diameter, although the 8mm might push it a bit. I have some 6.5mmx75mm rods on order, expecting to see them in the new year.

The next part is a bit of antler. For these, I picked up a bag of antler tips off of Etsy, I think the bag of 50 tips was less than $20 shipped. So right around $2 to make the 8mm size.

I did these a little different, and tapped them both the antler and the fero rod. I recommend that if you have a tap and die of the right size. I used JB Weld on these, and am happy with the results, any good 2 part epoxy should give you a good bond.

One of the things I like about this hobby is being able to make good equipment, if you decide to try, don't hesitate to ask questions, I'll answer the best I can.

You can also get an Esbit version. They're nice because they can hold a fair bit of fuel in a pretty small package. It comes with a screw top and an O-ring, so you can fill it with fuel, put it out, and seal it back up with no wasted fuel. They're also lightweight, and you can use over the counter rubbing alcohol for fuel - although the BTUs on that sort of stuff might be inferior to other fuels. I don't know.

The only thing I WILL say about them, though, is that I'd recommend keeping it relatively warm in colder weather. I've found that my alcohol stove simply refuses to start if its too cold, and so the last time I went out I kept it in my sleeping bag with me while I slept, and it fired up without much trouble in the morning.

Also would recommend some sort of windscreen, just in case. Esbit does also make another UL stove that uses their fuel tablets, which the alcohol stove can fit into (but getting it lit requires a little extra effort either getting it into the slots, or lighting it while its in the slots).

Of course, there's also always these guys also by Esbit, which you can store the fuel cells in when its folded. The only thing I don't like about them (which take with a giant grain of salt, because I'm 100% an amateur to all of this) is that you're limited with the fuel cell and the length of burn. You don't end up wasting any excess fuel with the alcohol stove. Also, you do get the added benefit, if you're using rubbing alcohol for fuel, of having an antiseptic available in a pinch.

Finally, an option to keep the whole package on the small end, you have these little guys as pot stands. They work great to keep my pot elevated off the stove, but I will say that they do seem to get in the way of the burn a bit and inhibit some of the airflow, but not enough to be a huge issue. They fit into the Esbit alcohol stove perfectly, but again, you might be better off with something that lifts the pot up a bit more for a better burn. I think they're designed to be used with the their own brand of alcohol stove, though, so that's probably why they don't work great.

The Victorinox Swiss Army Knife is a classic

• https://www.amazon.com/dp/B0017VJS0O
  
  Light My Fire makes reasonably good fire starters
  
  
• https://www.amazon.com/dp/B00B49WCWU
  
  Storm proof matches are fun
  
  
• https://www.amazon.com/dp/B00Y4TYJTQ
  
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  You can definitely gather the tinder from outside, don't buy this. Just get a handful of pencil sized sticks and wrap it up with some twine. Just make sure it's dry (not green / wet).
  
  Zippo's are okay, but torches and even bic lighters are more valuable for actual fire starting.
  
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  Maybe a map for your local area. It would go well with the compass and maybe encourage you all to get out and hike a trail.
  National Geographic has many options.
  
  
• http://www.natgeomaps.com/trail-maps/trails-illustrated-maps
  
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  Headlamp is valuable. 'to see your love' or whatever.
  
  
• https://www.amazon.com/dp/B011K7J69M
  
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  Duct tape is fun. It comes in lots of different colors and is versatile for all sorts of adventures.
  
  
• https://www.amazon.com/dp/B00HZ3CUYO
  
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  First Aid Kit is more practical - but if you are being corny - you could say 'in case of broken heart' or something.
  
  
• https://www.amazon.com/dp/B000G80KZQ
  
  

Lol, OP you beat me to it! I discussed this *here the other day and then because data is king I put it all in a spreadsheet. *Edit: Data' in the original post was completely shooting from the hip. Actual measured weights and volumes are contained in the spreadsheet below.

Here is the TL;DR: Alcohol stoves are efficient up to 4 days, after that the fuel becomes much heavier. If you take a half/used gas canister then alcohol effectively has no advantage at all. This is easily shown in the graphs presented here:

Graphs | Spreadsheet

Because alcohol as UL has been ingrained so long, there are some holdouts who might not believe it, but the data is here.

My write-up:

> Alcohol has been the go-to choice for ULers for just about as long as UL has been a philosophy. When comparing stove systems many have for years bemoaned the extra weight penalty that gas canisters impose on hikers and turned their nose up at the idea that gas could be considered "ultralight".
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> Review sites in the past have typically taken a popular gas stove and pitted it against the lightest alcohol stoves available. For many people this is a cat can stove, aka fan Fancee Feest (Fancy Feast) stove made popular by Andrew Skurka in 2011. It's cheap, light, easy to make, and takes up virtually no space in a pack. As we'll see here, however, the gap between both systems has pretty much come to an end.
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> I own both a homemade FF cat stove, Jetboil Flash, and most recently, the BRS-3000T. As things go this type of comparison between stoves has occurred and been documented a few times in the past, but more often than not testers/reviewers were not using the lightest gas stove available. In our case, this is the 25g BRS-3000T.
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> I have put together actual data collected using both the Fancy Feast stove and the BRS stove. The weights I use for fuel are the average from 6 burns on each system. The fuel used for the cat can stove is Klean-Strip Green Denatured Alcohol and for the BRS is Jetboil Jetpower (100g)

> All data is based on boiling two cups of water, twice per day. Two meals basically. The spreadsheet is downloadable/editable to add your own alcohol stove and compare weight savings.

I will go ahead and be honest here. I am really not much of an outdoorsy person. I would much rather stay inside in my clean, dry, air conditioned, safe home than be out in the dirty/dusty, humid and sometimes rainy, fucking hot as hell, filled with bugs and evil wild animals Arizona desert. But the thing is, my SO is a HUGE outdoors person. So I am trying really hard to overcome my aversion to these activities and get out and do some fun stuff with her.

We have planned a little camping trip for ourselves, but we're waiting on the weather. The middle of Phoenix summer is no time to go out into the desert. So when things cool down a bit and get stable (monsoon season is so unpredictable) we will take a friends truck out to the middle of nowhere. Hike a couple miles up to one of SO's favorite spots. Set up a tent and stuff and rough it for a couple nights.

So, obviously being out in the middle of nowhere with little to no resources could be a problem. Fire is necessary. So I would really like to have either this really cool lighter or this striker set.

Thanks for the contest! :)

I wanted to have a stove do double-duty. Especially when it came to fuel. I have the MSR Whisperlight International stove. I carry 2 fuel canisters (30oz ea). I had one back when I was backpacking and it never let me down, but sold it when I left Colorado for the midwest where camping just didnt hold up to the Rockies.

It will use Unleaded fuel. As will the bike. So, in case I get stuck somewhere with an empty bike, I can use the stove fuel to get me another 40+ miles to a gas station where I can refuel everything.I have never had any issue with the stove heating water or making soup or rice or anything else, and the burn rate on the gasoline is fairly good, I didnt even use half a tank all year last year camping.


MSR Whisperlight International Stove

MSR Fuel Canisters

No matter what, it will come down to preference. Jet Boil works great, but it is quite a bit larger and you have to have special fuel canisters and all. The MSR is just what I happen to like the best and suits my needs.

I keep a Doan bar in my fire kit (along with a LOT of other things) as a backup to my Ferro rod, because the Magnesium shavings will light even if they're wet. However, they're useless unless you can put together a good tinder bundle.

If I were you, since you're starting out practicing in your backyard, I'd get:

• The Mora

• A good Ferro rod, like a Light My Fire or a Firesteel Armageddon (my favorite and what I use)

• And some Jute Twine.

Learn how to carve feather sticks and focus on getting fires started with natural materials and a ferro rod, as well as fluffing up the Jute Twine for making tinder bundles.

Also, use the Jute Twine to practice tying useful knots that will come in handy for setting up your tarp later.

I'd get the tarp and some paracord next and practice setting that up.

I'd save money and get the canteen and cook kit once you're actually ready to go out and use them.

I've been experimenting a bit with steaks in my sous vide, and have had good results with sirloin (although I've had better results with ribeye).

I generally do them at 125 or so (127-128 is supposed to be the perfect temp for medium rare), then blacken them with a blowtorch and a bit of butter.

A few hours seems way, way too long to me: I do them for more like 45 minutes to an hour. If you cook them for hours, you're going to get kind of jellyish squidgy meat (I've done this to pork and chicken while experimenting, and it's pretty unpleasant-- I have no idea what makes anyone give these as recipes).

They come out great at an hour or so at 125-130.

I use one of these:

http://www.amazon.com/Iwatani-Torch-Burner-Professional-Cb-tc-pro/dp/B0027HO3XO/ref=sr_sp-atf_title_1_2?ie=UTF8&qid=1381098080&sr=8-2&keywords=iwatani+torch

with this as fuel:

http://www.amazon.com/Iwatani-Butane-Canister-7-8-Pack/dp/B00CKPXW9Y/ref=pd_sim_k_2

Basically you got a kit that is a GearWhores dream, what you don't have is a kit that will keep you alive for more than a few days.

1. I want you to pile up all this shit you call a kit on Floor
   
2. Place an empty box on your bed and put the following in it:
   A) the ability to clean and carry water.
   B) the ability to make fire.
   C) shelter to keep dry/warm (a simple poncho and Mylar Blankets at first)
   
   At this point you could live for a couple weeks, and you've spent $40+ cost of pack
   
   D) food, start with compact shelf stable foods, like the dry emergency rations or these.
   A couple weeks worth is like $20, now if you ration you could live for over a month.
   
   3)Now throw away everything else left on the floor.
   As the other person pointed out you have 60+ pounds of junk. That fact is a kit to keep you alive for over a month should cost $60 and fit in a shoe box.

Yep! The Nightster has a "king sportster" tank, 3.3 gallons.

It looks just like the 2.2 gallon peanut on the 48, but it's wider and buys you over a gallon in fuel (and almost another 50 miles of range).

It's a good compromise between the standard peanut, which looks amazing but has tiny range, and the "Custom" Sportster tank which holds 4 gallons but looks dorky.

If you get some sort of luggage or a sissy bar, you can attach one of these - just in case:

https://www.amazon.com/MSR-MSRFUELBOTT-Fuel-Bottle/dp/B0015I0GE6?th=1&psc=1

You can count on having a little under 150 miles worth of usable range - a little over 2 hours between fuel stops. To be honest, I find stopping every 2 hours to stretch nice, but some people need the larger tank because they only want to stop every 3 hours or more.

Totally up to you how quick of a pace you want to keep up while touring, it really only takes 5 minutes to fuel up, so it's not THAT big of a deal.

There are a few things you can do. (Source: I have a bike with a small tank, only about 100 mi/160 km range, and was planning on taking some long trips before it died on me.)

• Something like this is a bit pricey by the time you install it over your passenger seat, but 5 gallons will take you a long way....
  
• The cheaper route is something like this 30 oz. MSR fuel bottle. That's fairly tiny — 30 oz. (probably American ones) ~= 887 mL ~= 0.2 gal Imp — but if you get, say, 40 mpg like my bike did (~35 mpUSgal), that's 8 miles, which is better than some alternatives. And you can always buy more than one.
  
• The even-cheaper route is to just buy a standard plastic jerry can that'll hold 1 or 2 gallons. But unless your bike has a good rack, securing it properly can be a bitch. And they're a tad more likely to leak.
  
  Have a great ride! I gotta get me a new bike....

Thanks for your response! I think the skillet may be a good idea. That way I can rehydrate or boil stuff in the 1L and get proteins going separately while it warms/rehydrates.

Awesome to know about the jetboil! I'll look into it.

Edit: Is this the attachment you're referring to? - Jetboil Pot Support for Jetboil Camping Stoves https://www.amazon.com/dp/B00MUYTTH4/ref=cm_sw_r_cp_apa_i_LUQCDb6XHW02K

How small? Iso canister stoves are basically the standard for hiking - something like this as a small, cheap and light stove, which screws straight on to a fuel canister like this. You can also opt for white fuel stoves like this one if international fuel availability or extreme cold weather performance matters. They use refillable fuel bottles that come in various sizes to meet your need. Finally, alcohol stoves are fairly popular as a lightweight, if slower, option - I have this one, though plenty of people make their own from aluminum or tin cans. Fuel can be carried in pretty much whatever, since you just pour some into the stove before use.

Personally, I just grabbed a 30 Oz MSR bottle. I would be actively searching for stations with ~25 miles left in my tank, and I figured this would be enough to limp me along if I ever cut it way too close. It's also very easy to pack.

You have clearly planned your trip much more than I did, considering I decided about 30 minutes before I left with no clear route, so I think it would be pretty easy to figure out available gas stations given your route.

If you prefer ultralight like me, then this setup works.

•Hammock (I use a Hennessy Hammock)

•A couple of spare fuel bottles such as the MSR ones MSR Fuel Bottle

•At least 3 liters of water strapped on somewhere. If its real hot then might want to strap on a camel back that way you can hydrate while you ride.

•A stash food in somewhere (Almonds are great for this)

•Tool kit, I wouldn't bother buying a tool kit. You should buy a pouch and tailor the tools you will need according to your bike, don't carry tools that won't even fit your bike.)

•Ditch cotton, its a horrible fabric for the outdoors. Go regular wool or if you don't like the "Itch" factor some complain about, then get merino wool.

There are more, I'll update later.

•Don't wear short sleeves whatever you do, it fatigues you more than you can imagine when your going off of a 1,000mile a day ride. If possible get a jacket that ventilates but also blocks to wind off you.

•Full Face, a must really. Too many advantages over a half shell and the like.... wind protection, decreased noise, and added protection in the case of a fall.

•Ear Plugs, Never 50+ miles without them.

•Not really a piece of gear, but a tip for when you are in a hotel. Ask for a room on the 1st floor and pull your bike up RIGHT NEXT to the door. Lock the wheel and take your gear off it. Probably the best way of making sure no one messes with your bike during the night.

•The best way to combat rain really is to get a waterproof top/bottom,water resistant boots, full face helmet, decent gloves.

Went on a few hikes to up my endurance. Climbed upriver at a river gorge up a few small waterfalls.

Learned how to locate and identify possible fatwood sources and how to harvest them. Also bought 10 lbs of it just to have an ample supply while I continue learning how to buy some more. FYI, I bought this one from Amazon at just about $2.30/lb, though if you prefer a sack (I didn't, I want stackability) you can get it cheaper from this listing here. Both are 10 lbs worth, which is a lot. Quality will most likely be much worse than what you could potentially find out in the woods yourself, but it's the cheapest you'll find online, as long as you have Prime.

Picked up a bunch of antibiotics and tinctures for medicine, got a bunch of matches and other fire starting paraphernalia. Basically lots of small stuff for potential trading, or just to have on hand. Also bought a ton of industrial grade bulk AA and AAA batteries (basically off-brand Duracell batteries). After having read up on bartering, I'm going to start purchasing bulk/surplus lighters, keeping all our spare knives and box cutters in a 'surplus' box, hoarding matches, batteries, etc.

Am researching and saving up money for a potential gas piston air rifle, as 22LR is impossible to get my hands on here, and I could easily purchase several thousand pellets at a fraction of the price. (For example, 10,000 rounds of 22LR at $0.13/round (this was the cost for the only 22LR I can find), I would be able to purchase 50 rounds a day if I wanted to drive 20 miles round trip every day. Total cost would be $1300+gas+tax. Purchasing an air rifle ($~250 tops) + 10,000 rounds of .22 caliber pellets ($150) would give me a quiet, reliable small game rifle with ample amounts of ammunition at less than half the cost.

I also plan on purchasing a used Keltec PF9. I already own a Bodyguard 380 for concealed carry, but I want a higher caliber that can still be concealed if SHTF. Would love to get a UMP 9mm but that's just dreaming and way too flashy for a civilian to lug around :P

Right now I'm planning out how to reorganize my garage to give me one centralized space in storing all my prep materials. I'll be doing that this weekend. Will also put together a kit for bugging-in defense. Tape for reinforcing windows, sheets of plywood cut to fit over window covers (or maybe not, space is super limited still :/ ) buying extra door locks that protect from people kicking in doors (still a moot point if I can't cover up our massive ground-level window)

It's neither flint, magnesium, nor a sharpener. You my friend are now the owner of a Swedish Fire-steel (though it IS Bear Gryllis branded)

http://www.amazon.com/Light-Fire-Original-Swedish-FireSteel/dp/B0013L8D9K

Make a pile of tinder and stroke the tab firmly down the steel (the striker tab should be more squared on one edge) and watch the rain of sparks!

They work magnificently for starting fires!


A magnesium bar would be much shinier and softer for easy shaving.

I've used mine for about 9 years and have been very happy with it. You get an extra 6 inches in length for the Camp Chef table. Along with the side handles, the Camp Chef table also has a lip all the way around to keep the coals/ash on the table.

I don't have any experience with the Lodge table, but I think the Lodge wind screen makes more sense than the Camp Chef screen. The 4.5" tall Camp Chef screen only blocks wind from the bottom half of a Dutch oven. The coals on the top are still exposed, not to mention the coals on stacked ovens. The 12" tall Lodge screen looks like it would cover two stacked standard height ovens.

I also think the folding legs and leg levelers on the Lodge table look nice. You can buy leg levelers separately for the Camp Chef table. I have them on my stove table and like them.

It's an MSR fuel bottle for their liquid fuel camping stoves. They come in 3 different sizes, the one he's using is the 30 oz. The stoves run on white gas, kerosene and gasoline and have an excellent safety seal. Used one for my 6 month camping adventure around the US =)

A camping stove like this can heat up water or food quite nicely and is ultra portable. This is a two-pack, so get two JetBoil propane tanks like these to have enough fuel all weekend and beyond. Bring a couple of medium to small pots and pans, and maybe a teakettle like this to just heat up water (coffee pour-over, ramen noodles, etc). Bring some butter cooking spray, and you can quickly make a grilled ham n cheese sandwich, scrambled eggs, etc.

REI usually has them for like $5-6
I tried to find the link but they're not available on their website... Have to go in to the store to find them... here's an Amazon link for 3x the cost.
3.53oz/100g
(Nests perfectly in my toaks 550ml and 650ml)

https://www.amazon.com/dp/B000NMAMOO/ref=cm_sw_r_cp_apa_i_HkvSCbJEQ9YW2

Order this and this...I use this for my sears and it works just fine. Honestly, it's as safe as anything, and you don't need to buy insurance because you have that in your flat. Just be smart about using it (i.e. don't set it down while still burning, don't put the cans in the microwave, etc...

Nah, firesteel.com don't make that plastic-nub handle thing on the bottom and use a different striker. That looks more like a 'classic' Light-My-Fire Army model.

Edit: That seems to be the generic Coghlan's copy of it actually, based on the striker. I've found Coghlan's products to be hit-or-miss. Mostly miss with critical equipment. I wouldn't recommend getting one.

OP should still get the Firesteel.com one. Superior product in my opinion. I recommend the Gobspark Armageddon as it has a nice handle and optional palm scraper (Get it, worth the money). Makes lighting fire with cold hands easier and you don't scrape the skin off your thumbs with the striker.

I've been researching the heck out of emergency cooking for the past few weeks, and here's what I found:

Outdoor stoves:

-Grill (assuming you have a yard or similar area to use one in).

-Fire/bonfire.

-Solar stove.

Outdoor ovens:

-Coleman camp oven

Indoor stoves:

-Gas stove

-Sterno cans (aka canned heat). You can get some alcohol stove stands off of Amazon that you can put pans onto, such as these ones: https://www.amazon.com/Evernew-Titanium-Alcohol-Stove-Cross/dp/B003DKK7MA/ref=cm_cr_arp_d_product_top?ie=UTF8&coliid=I1CNQGNOMN32RN&colid=4BTO3HW301S2

-Coleman stoves. I've seen mixed results about theses. The manufacturer says don't use them at all indoors while others say use them with proper ventilation. I would have one just in case but have other resources to start off with.

-Flameless cookers. The systems I know of are the Barocook, Yabul, and Magic Cook. Barocook and Magic Cook use the double boiler method. You put water into the first pot and then put activated heat packs into the water. Place second pot with food into the first and wait until your food is done. With Yabul, you put the food directly onto the heat pack. I don't know if the heat packs are interchangeable.

Indoor ovens:

-DIY tealight oven. Basically, you take a toaster oven, gut it of its heating elements, replace elements with a bread stone and tealights, and be careful. You can find the instructions here: http://www.thebusybhomemaker.com/diy-tea-light-oven-off-grid-cooking/

-HotLogic Mini Personal oven. Just came across this on Amazon, and it seems nifty. You would need a power source (a power bank or generator) to run it, though. https://www.amazon.com/dp/B00EC7XJ28/?coliid=I2YIBNJGF9E53D&colid=4BTO3HW301S2&psc=1&ref_=lv_ov_lig_dp_it

Before you try anything with fire or gas, I would highly recommend having a fire extinguisher and gas alarm on hand. I would also keep a food thermometer and a guide nearby.

For basic heat and power:

-Blankets. Lots of blankets.

-Fireplace, if you have one.

-Make a fort or set up a tent and focus your energy on heating that up, rather than your entire house.

-Have a power bank, at the very least. Get one that could power, say, a mini fridge or CPAP. Definitely have smaller ones for your phone and similar electronics. Keep them charged.

-Have a generator and keep fuel on hand. Make sure to keep on maintenance for it. It won't work super long term, but you'll be able to have something for a while, long enough to be ready to switch to Plan C (whatever that may be for you).

-HotHands or similar heat packs. You can get one-time use packs or reusable ones.

-Rechargable batteries. Keep them charged and keep enough for any electronics that require them that you want the keep powered.

-Candles (again, have a fire extinguisher or two on hand). You can get long-running emergency ones off of Amazon. I would steer away from stocking up on a ton of scented candles, just because it would get annoying to stay inside with five difference scents burning almost 24/7.

I knew if it didn't work this time I was going to be stranded, but that was because I was specifically running it to reserve. Normally I fill up after 100 miles just to be on the safe side. For now, I think I'm going to order to MSR bottles and mount them inside a couple of waterproof manual canisters that will fit 30oz MSRs.

MSR bottles: http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B0015I0GE6/ref=ox_sc_act_title_2?ie=UTF8&psc=1&smid=ATVPDKIKX0DER

Containers: http://www.agrisupply.com/manual-canister-large-with-neoprene-seal/p/67670/

Eagle torches are cheap and have a lock that will keep the torch on. You can light it using your index and lock it with your thumb then set it down on the table. They make a large model that has a cylinder shaped tank that I have two of and they work great.

The ones I have look like this

Appears to be a new model Can't speak for the quality of the new model.

It was recommended to my by a couple of very experienced members of the sub. I was initially confused as well by the number of options. The exact one that I purchased was https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B01IROKNMA/ref=ppx_yo_dt_b_search_asin_title?ie=UTF8&psc=1.

Also have an Aomai like this one that works very well.

https://www.amazon.com/Piioket-Cigarette-Lighter-Windproof-Refillable/dp/B017UV66KY/ref=sr_1_16?dchild=1&keywords=aomai+lighter&qid=1573244213&sr=8-16

I have used a number of different rerro rods, starting with the Doan's on the mag bar. The Coughlin's are ok. The best I have found are from [Light My Fire] (http://www.amazon.com/Light-Fire-Original-Swedish-FireSteel/dp/B0013L8D9K).

I have it and it's served me well.

However if I were to buy again, I'd probably go with this one, just because it's more stable with a pot of water because it wouldn't be so top-heavy due to the canister being off to the side. Sometimes it's hard to find a fully flat surface out in the woods. It's just safer overall.

Can't go wrong either way though.

I got this one for £20 - http://amzn.to/2jnku5j It's been brilliant and very reliable it's not propane but it comes with 8 canisters of butane. I made it work even better by adding these around it: http://amzn.to/2jyoou1 they cost £5.

A good [http://www.amazon.com/gp/aw/d/B004172IG2/ref=mp_s_a_1_1?qid=1464050829&sr=8-1&pi=SX200_QL40&keywords=lite+my+fire+firesteel&dpPl=1&dpID=41K92tB3CZL&ref=plSrch] (fire steel) is always useful. Waterproof, extremely reliable, and light weight. This one has a survival whistle built in too.

Good idea. You mean something like this, right? https://www.amazon.com/MSR-MSRFUELBOTT-Fuel-Bottle/dp/B002L1413S

I had a problem that the fuel in my zippo evaporated too quickly. Now I just have a Firesteel. Combined with the alcohol hand sanitizer I also carry, I have a pretty reliable firestarter. The Firesteel will also light propane if you're careful.

Also, /r/VEDC is a thing.

If you're going to be camping, I'd recommend something like this

It's basically a flint and steel on a keyring

the only problems i see are 1: only 10 purification tablets? 2:knife looks pretty terrible. 3: firesteel is too short to get a really good spark out of. but these can all be handled. replace the tablets with household bleach. 2-3 drops in a pint will purify it. take out the tablets and knife to replace with the bleach. then just get [a better firesteel] (http://www.amazon.com/Light-my-Fire-Swedish-Firesteel/dp/B0013L8D9K/ref=pd_sim_sg_77) and put it in there, too. also, the tree saw looks kinda wimpy.

https://www.amazon.com/Coleman-Stove-Pressure-Regulator-Valve/dp/B000646U3Q/ref=asc_df_B000646U3Q/?tag=hyprod-20&linkCode=df0&hvadid=167126940649&hvpos=1o4&hvnetw=g&hvrand=7117331791761644861&hvpone=&hvptwo=&hvqmt=&hvdev=m&hvdvcmdl=&hvlocint=&hvlocphy=9028124&hvtargid=pla-309402234138&psc=1

Edit: i know that is for a coleman but mayne it would work? If you still have the manual that came with the stove it should have the part number for it or if you have the busted regulator check it for a number. In the future I would try to steer clear of anything ozark trails that has moving parts as it tends to be crap. Their cups, lanterns, packs, etc. tend to do alright

I’ve seen a few posts with those gas bottles and I have it saved in my Amazon list, I think I’m going to have to get one and carry it.

www.amazon.com/dp/B0015I0GE6/ref=cm_sw_r_cp_tai_ED0rDbZB8QC5K

Should be a fairly standard piece if we're talking about the one pound tank ones. Maybe this? http://www.amazon.com/gp/aw/d/B000646U3Q/ref=mp_s_a_1_14?qid=1398572182&sr=8-14&pi=AC_SX110_SY165_QL70

If not I would try and find the brand so we can help you more.

I often bring a firesteel striker - it can be fun to start your campfire "old school". (That said, I still bring a lighter as a backup.)

Or maybe flint & steel? It wouldn't work directly, but it would let you start a flame if you even had some paper or something.

Like this or smth:

http://www.amazon.com/Swedish-Firesteel-Model-Black-Handle/dp/B0013L2DKU/ref=tag_dpp_lp_edpp_ttl_ex

Looks pretty similar to the Coleman regulator

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Thanks for the contest!

A good ferro rod: Light My Fire Firesteel Army. Works reliably for me and is fairly beefy. Delivers a nice big spark.

"Best" fire starter: A Bic lighter or two with the child guard removed for using in general, with (stormproof matches](https://www.amazon.ca/gp/aw/d/B004PIBWW8/) and some kind of prepared/chemical longer (like WetFire, cotton balls and vaseline, etc) as a backup.

I haven't ever had a bic lighter fail on me. Even if it gets wet, blowing on it to dry it out usually will get it working in under a minute. Remove the child safety thing to make it a bit easier to use.

The matches are a backup because it takes less fine motor skills to use them - you can clench them in a fist and sort of stab them against the striker and it'll usually get them lit. The stormproof one's burn a pretty long time and are hard to extinguish. The engineered tinder should be dry when nothing else is and save you some time prepping the finer tinder when you need a fire quickly. Both of these factors matter when you're wet and hypothermic and you're shaking too hard to use the lighter and it was just pouring rain so fine tinder isn't available quickly and easily.

Amazon sells a few different fuel bottles:

• MSR
  
• Trangia
  
  There are more options, as well.

Yeah, that was a bit cunty, my bad.

If you're going to do it (wouldn't recommend it), but at least look into a better container. These are for a different kind of fuel, but it's aluminum and apparently a lot of people use them for gas.

http://www.amazon.com/MSR-11832-Fuel-Bottle-30oz/dp/B0015I0GE6/ref=sr_1_cc_1?s=aps&ie=UTF8&qid=1421017999&sr=1-1-catcorr&keywords=MSR

Much better deal

http://www.amazon.com/Wood-Products-9910-Fatwood-Pounds/dp/B000HHO4W6

Get a canister of spare fuel. Always useful to have. I have this one It can also be used to store propane and other flammible liquids.

the best you can have in your backpack is a firesteel starter, for example this one (very durable, 12000 strikes, usable in every condition): amazon link

They are also cheap.

Any of the usual isobutane canisters. They look like this

https://www.amazon.com/MSR-Liquid-Fuel-Bottle-30-Ounce/dp/B0015I0GE6/ref=mp_s_a_1_3?ie=UTF8&qid=1540218512&sr=8-3&pi=AC_SX236_SY340_QL65&keywords=white+fuel+bottle&dpPl=1&dpID=41xkfbeRMIL&ref=plSrch something like this for the fuel. And I seen alot of stoves just cliped to the outside of the pace with a carabiner

We’re going to be flying in and can’t take our butane tank (for our stove) on the plane. Will they sell butane canisters on site?

We’re looking to buy something like this: JetBoil Jetpower Fuel - 100g https://www.amazon.com/dp/B01IHSIC6K/ref=cm_sw_r_cp_api_i_Hlr5AbDWSJDBX

Depending how long you're staying, another alternative is to buy a portable gas stove, like this.

well maybe a firestarter or even a compass

I stranded myself on the freeway once, once.

Then I went straight to REI and bought a fule bottle. Haven't gotten stuck since.

ok here's one random one: https://www.amazon.com/dp/B0013L2DKU/ref=wl_it_dp_o_pd_nS_ttl?_encoding=UTF8&colid=2PMA0MWVQ27ZZ&coliid=INY2OPVM6JTUO&psc=1

Realistically I just carry a fuel bottle for the stove with some gasoline in it. That way I can run the stove, but if I need it there's also a little spare fuel for the bike.

If I need to move it back and forth, a few feet of this:
https://www.lowes.com/pd/EASTMAN-3-8-in-x-20-ft-PVC-Clear-Vinyl-Tubing/1000180543
Will make a siphon just fine.

ETA: These are the fuel bottles that the stove uses:
https://www.amazon.com/MSR-MSRFUELBOTT-Fuel-Bottle/dp/B002L1413S

I was dead-set on a JetBoil MiniMo. Walked into REI with a more experienced buddy and we put this setup together...its smaller and lighter than a mini-mo and way more flexible for the future:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9BKJNYchiEo

parts list:
Snow Peak 700 - https://smile.amazon.com/Snow-Peak-Trek-Titanium-Cookset/dp/B000AR2N7Q

4oz fuel - https://smile.amazon.com/Jetboil-Jetpower-4-Season-Fuel-Blend/dp/B000NMAMOO

jetboil base - https://smile.amazon.com/Jetboil-Fuel-Can-Stabilizer-Size/dp/B00MUYUDC4

BRS stove - https://smile.amazon.com/BRS-3000T-Outdoor-Camping-Cooking-Ultra-light/dp/B072N82R83

bic mini lighter - https://smile.amazon.com/Lot-Mini-Ebony-Black-Lighters/dp/B00863W71I

MSR french press - https://smile.amazon.com/MSR-Windburner-Coffee-Press-Kit/dp/B00YOBML2Q

Vargo folding spork - https://smile.amazon.com/Vargo-T-217-Titanium-Folding-Spork/dp/B004R1LYEO

PackTowel UL face towel - https://smile.amazon.com/Packtowl-UltraLite-Face-Towel-Clay/dp/B017W4M7N4

dish soap - https://smile.amazon.com/Sea-Summit-Wilderness-Ounce-250ml/dp/B0029W1394

Small fuel bottle and maybe even one of those Slime mini air pumps if you're going to be offroad where the chances of getting a flat are greatly increased.

I carried lots of shit with my KLR like sockets and spares and stubby wrenches and fuel and the air pump and tubes etc etc etc.

I want to add a couple of these to my bike for longer trips soon;

https://smile.amazon.com/gp/product/B0015I0GE6/ref=ox_sc_sfl_title_8?ie=UTF8&psc=1&smid=ATVPDKIKX0DER

mounted with this;

https://smile.amazon.com/gp/product/B005HEJ24Y/ref=ox_sc_sfl_title_7?ie=UTF8&psc=1&smid=A4KBP2A3U6C7U

My buddy just has 2 1 gal stainless steel tanks that he throws in a backpack.

My dad has a left side number rear number plate that he bolts onto his KTM.

http://www.motosport.com/acerbis-auxiliary-handlebar-fuel-tank

https://www.amazon.com/MSR-MSRFUELBOTT-Fuel-Bottle/dp/B002L1413S

IIRC drinks can are aluminium, so I don't think it will spark unfortunately. If you wanted something that will spark look for steel or iron... or go to a camping store and pick up a cheap flint and steel like this and believe me you will get ridiculous sparks

I bought this low brow custom mini gas can holder that has two Velcro straps to mount it on the forks or part of the frame of a bike. I am only using one in the middle and looped it through the helmet hook thing and tightened the Velcro around it. Be warned though, the Velcro has rubbed off part of the paint on the fairing it rests on due to friction of it moving when the bike is moving. So I put two clear rubber stubs that prevent contact of the Velcro with the fairing which seems to help but the paint in that area is already messed up now. Lol and I get around 5-10 extra miles, which is usually more than enough to get my to the next closest gas station, at least where I live.
Here’s a link to the mount:

https://rover.ebay.com/rover/0/0/0?mpre=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.ebay.com%2Fulk%2Fitm%2F322247080364

And the fuel bottle, I bought the 30oz

MSR Liquid Fuel Bottle, 30-Ounce https://www.amazon.com/dp/B0015I0GE6/ref=cm_sw_r_cp_api_a.S.BbYM4PC30

Sorry if formatting is weird, I’m on mobile.

I'm referring to other fire steels here, like these:

https://www.amazon.com/Relefree-Ferrocerium-Magnesium-Survival-4-5mmx75mm/dp/B00UKZE6AA/ref=sr_1_5?ie=UTF8&qid=1480561555&sr=8-5&keywords=relefree

https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B01IROKNMA/ref=ppx_yo_dt_b_asin_title_o02_s00?ie=UTF8&psc=1

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Simple Eagle Flame torch

I tried using a non venting gas can, transmission fluid bottles and an old MSR Stove fuel bottle.

Just get some fuel bottles.

http://www.amazon.com/MSR-MSRFUELBOTT-Fuel-Bottle/dp/B002L1413S

You can have it shipped to your door.

Swedish Firesteel.

I've looked them up. I actually that the come in more than one color! teehee

Always keep 2 of these in the saddle, just in case

Is it this Coleman 5430 Regulator https://www.amazon.com/dp/B000646U3Q/ref=cm_sw_r_cp_apa_jB.Tzb6S0MAG4

It's called an "MSR fuel bottle"

http://www.amazon.com/MSR-MSRFUELBOTT-Fuel-Bottle/dp/B002L1413S

Most people get a little strappy holster and put it on the outside of their bike.

https://www.amazon.com/MSR-Liquid-Fuel-Bottle-11-Ounce/dp/B0015I0GE6/ref=sr_1_22?keywords=msr%2Bfuel&qid=1569689581&s=gateway&sr=8-22&th=1

https://www.amazon.com/MSR-Liquid-Fuel-Bottle/dp/B0015I0GE6/

This little feller has saved me half a dozen times and stranded travelers on the side of the road at least twice as much. You've got no excuse with those saddle bags. Pick one up and fill it up for a buck and forget about it. Boy scout shops will have one for about the same price if you don't want to wait for shipping.

I ran out of fuel this morning on the way to work. Had 40 miles used on my reserve tank, thought i could get it to 55

Had to use my emergency 30oz gas canister to give me 10 more miles, 5 to get off the highway. Need to gas up after work now. I've had to use it on a Roadglide that ran out of gas on a group ride as well.

This is the fuel canister I use: http://www.amazon.com/MSR-11832-Fuel-Bottle-30oz/dp/B0015I0GE6

No, buy one of these for the backpack/saddlebags/whatever

https://www.amazon.com/MSR-11832-Fuel-Bottle-30-Ounce/dp/B0015I0GE6

I switched to this stove because I was tired of the balancing act:

Terra Hiker 3500W Camping Gas Stove, Backpack Stove, with Convenient Piezo Ignition, Durable & Portable Burner with Carrying Case https://www.amazon.com/dp/B06XVV525Q/ref=cm_sw_r_cp_apip_dnk4twAhU5O5d

I've done it. But you're going to need something bigger than one of those tiny cooking torches. I picked up one of these professional torches and some butane fuel to go with it.

Using a real culinary torch instead of a poor, tiny substitute makes a world of difference when searing a steak too.

I have a couple of these.

They don't hold a ton, but they are relatively cheap and stand up to abuse well.